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PostPosted: Sun Mar 03, 2013 7:27 pm Post subject: Suitable containers for macro and micro ferts Reply with quote

 I  had  ordered  micros  and  macros  from  Dr.Abhay.  He  has  sent  powders  which  have  to  be  dissolved  in  1  litre  water.  
 How  to  store  the  solution?  
 Do  they  need  to  be  kept  in  opaque  non  transparent  bottles?  
 How  to  make  bottles  non  opaque?  Will  sticking  tape  on  it  be  enough?
 Also  when  is  best  time  to  dose  ferts  to  water  column?  Is  it  at  night?  And  is  it  essential  to  switch  off  lights  during  dosing?
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 03, 2013 7:44 pm Post subject: Re: Suitable containers for macro and micro ferts Reply with quote

 Hi  DRDHEEP.
 I  follows  Mr.  Sujo  as  detailed  below.
 Hope  Mr  Sujo  permits  me.  (Thanks  Sujo)
 Hi  Janardhan,
   
 Here  are  my  recommendations  on  nutrients  dosage.
   
 Take  6  bottles  of  500ml  (600ml  sprite  bottle  are  good  enough).
 Cover  them  with  black  plastic  cover  or  paper.  (recommended)
 KH2PO4  is  photo-sensitive.  So  black  covering  is  must  for  this.
   
 Label  the  bottles  like  this.
 Nitrate   KNO3
 Phosphate   KH2PO4
 Potassium   K2SO4
 Magnesium   MgSO4*7H2O
 Chelated  Iron
 CSM+B
   
 Nitrate  KNO3                                 -  Add  80  gms  in  500  ml  of  water  (or  40gms  in  250ml  of  water)
 Phosphate  KH2PO4                 -  Add  6  gms  in  500  ml  of  water
 Potassium  K2SO4                     -  Add  40  gms  in  500  ml  of  water  (or  20gms  in  250ml  of  water)
 
 Magnesium  MgSO4*7H2O  -  Add  66  gms  in  500  ml  of  water     (Or  20gms  in  150ml  of  water)
   
 Micro  nutrients
             Chelated  Iron                                          -  Add  6  gms  in  500  ml  of  water   (Optional)
             CSM+B                                               -  Add  15  gms  in  500  ml  of  water  (or  7.5gms  in  250ml  of  water)
 Add  5ml  each  of  this  solution  after  every  30  litre  water  change.
 Please  note  that  30  litre  is  not  the  size  of  the  tank   but  the  amount  of  water  you  changed.
 50%  water  change  every  week  is  highly  recommended  when  you  add  fertilizers.
   
 This  dosage  is  at  the  lower  side  and  bring  the  lower  sides  of  ppm  levels.
 If  you  are  finding  everything  going  fine,  you  can  slowly  increase  the  dosage.
 You  can  keep  this  5ml  as  minimum  dosage  and  10ml  as  maximum  dosage.
   
 Normally  plants  gets  Calsium  and  Magnesium  from  the  water  we  add.
 So  Calsium  and  Magnesium  suppliments  are  not  always  necessary.  (especially  when  you  use  tap  water)
 Using  water  from  RO  water  filter  is  recommended  as  we  don't  know  the  nutrients  level  in  the  tap  water.
   
 If  you  are  dosing  CSM+B,  Iron  dosing  is  not  necessary.
 But  you  can  dose  iron  if  you  want  to  increase  the  iron  ppm  levels.
   
 Phosphate  will  make  your  water  cloudy  and  plants  get  this  from  the  fish  food.
 So  if  you  are  adding  a  good  amount  of  fish  food  to  the  tank,  no  need  of  adding  phosphates.
 Add  iron  and  csm+B  just  before  you  switches  off  your  light  at  night.
 And  the  others  (macros)  in  the  morning.
   
 If  you  notice  the  symptom  of  any  defficiency  in  your  tank,  add  a  little  extra  of  that  nutrient.
 Overdosing  of  phosphates,  nitrates  and  iron  can  cause  algae  issues.
   
 These  are  my  recommendadtions  or  my  way  of  doing.
 Some  other  person  will  have  his  way  of  doing.
 So  you  can  read  forums  and  discuss  with  others  before  you  decide  your  way  of  doing.
   
 See  http://www.theaquatools.com/fertilization-calculator.
 This  is  a  helpful  website  for  dosage  calculation.
   
 Best  Regards
 Sujo
 
 
 
   
   I  hope  this  will  help  you.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 03, 2013 7:56 pm Post subject: Re: Suitable containers for macro and micro ferts Reply with quote

 Being  a  doctor  you  should  be  the  best  person  to  know  on  how  to  store  ferts..  You  should  be  knowing  why  medicines  are  stored  in  dark  bottles  and  opaque  containers!!!!!!!!!!!
 
 Why  does  all  the  pharmaceutical  manufactures  make  the  bottle  opaque.
 
 Its  a  very  very  silly  question  on  asking  if  sticking  a  tape  would  make  a  bottle  opaque  or  not...   Thumb Down   Thumb Down   Thumb Down
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 03, 2013 8:55 pm Post subject: Re: Suitable containers for macro and micro ferts Reply with quote

 josyjames  :  Storing  medicines  will  be  a  pharmacists  job.  
 I  meant  will  sticking  tape  be  enough  or  should  I  cover  it  with  black  paper.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 03, 2013 9:11 pm Post subject: Re: Suitable containers for macro and micro ferts Reply with quote

 Please  cover  it  with  black  plastic  bags  or  dustbin  collector  bags.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 03, 2013 9:46 pm Post subject: Re: Suitable containers for macro and micro ferts Reply with quote

                                                   
DRDHEEP  wrote  (View  Post):                
josyjames  :  Storing  medicines  will  be  a  pharmacists  job.  
                 

 
 What  a  reply...  ROFL   ROFL   ROFL   ROFL
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 03, 2013 9:56 pm Post subject: Re: Suitable containers for macro and micro ferts Reply with quote

 Auto  moderation  at  it's  best.
 
 No  offence,  Dheep.  But  it's  a  really  terrifying  day  for  us  if  Certified  Doctors  are  depending  on  Pharmacists  to  explain  opaque  from  transparent.
 
 Enthusiasm  is  a  fine  thing,  we  all  applaud  it.  But  kindly  do  not  go  overboard  with  it.  Aquarium  hobby  is  a  complicated  one,  and  it  just  helps  if  one  can  solve  simple  things  himself   Smile  
 
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 03, 2013 10:08 pm Post subject: Re: Suitable containers for macro and micro ferts Reply with quote

 How  to  store  the  solution?  
 Ans:keep  it  in  a  colored/dark  bottle,  and  away  from  sunlight.
 
 Do  they  need  to  be  kept  in  opaque  non  transparent  bottles?  
 Ans:Yes!
 
 How  to  make  bottles  non  opaque?  Will  sticking  tape  on  it  be  enough?
 Ans:You  cannot  make  bottles  non  opaque.  Non  Opaque  bottles  are  called  transparent  bottles.
 
 Also  when  is  best  time  to  dose  ferts  to  water  column?  Is  it  at  night?  And  is  it  essential  to  switch  off  lights  during  dosing?[/quote]
 Ans:  Which  fertilizers?  Fertilizers  are  introduced  normally  to  help  plants  in  Photosynthesis(Read  up  on  Photosynthesis).  Photosynthesis  requires  light.  So,  what  do  you  think?
 
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 03, 2013 11:56 pm Post subject: Re: Suitable containers for macro and micro ferts Reply with quote

 Sujo  has  helped  me  also  get  this  started.  Thanks  to  him  too.
 
 But  I  have  a  different  dosing  pattern  for  71  litres  (heavily  planted)
 
 My  mixes
 CSM+B                    7  gm 500  ml
 "KNO3                       40  gm 500  ml
 KH2PO4                     3  gm 500  ml
 K2SO4                       20  gm 500  ml
 "MgSO4*7H2O  20  gm 300  ml
 DPTA  FE  (Iron)      3  gm 500  ml
 
 Total  dose  is  24  ml  and  on  30  %  weekly  water  change  its  7  ml  for  all  doses  but  currently  the  total  Potassium  dose  is  at  74  ml  and  Fe  is  at  50  ml  in  the  tank.  I  started  at  24  ml  
 
 
 Since  I  just  read  this
 50%  water  change  every  week  is  highly  recommended  when  you  add  fertilizers.
 I  have  some  questions
 
 Should  I  move  to  50%  water  change  weekly  instead   ?
 Do  you  dose  immediately  after  water  change  or  one  day  later  ?
 Do  you  dose  the  micros  first  and  macros  the  next  day  or  vice  versa  ?
 
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 04, 2013 12:06 am Post subject: Re: Suitable containers for macro and micro ferts Reply with quote

 Thanks.  All  this  time,  I  was  dosing  at  night,  after  switching  off  the  lights.  I  was  under  the  misconception  that  light  inactivated  the  micro  fertilisers.


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 Then  I  wonder  why  are  bottles  sold  like  these  and  they  are  not  dark  or  opaque  ?
 
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 I  cover  only  my  Phosphate  bottle  as  recommended  because  it  is  sensitive  to  light
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 Sorry  if  my  queries  sound  dumb.  I  am  fairly  new  to  the  hobby.  Even  though  I  read  on  fertilisers,  it  is  confusing.
 superbsite  :  where  did  you  get  such  bottles?  They  look  like  hand  sanitizer  dispensers.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 04, 2013 12:32 am Post subject: Re: Suitable containers for macro and micro ferts Reply with quote

 Pio,  Whoever  sold  you  this?
 
 For  your  kind  information
 1)  N:  Nitrogen.  
 2)  P:  Phosphorous  
 3)  K  :  Potassium
 
 What  all  forms  are  these  in?
 
 What's  the  snakeoil  in  that  dark  bottle?
 
 Remember,  I  am  only  asking  based  on  the  pictorial  presentation  you  have  provided.  For  all  I  know,  the  solutions  in  those  bottles  might  be  genuine,  from  a  authentic  source   Smile
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 Hi  Dr.Dheep,
 
 You  can  use  dark  color  sauce  containers  with  flap  lid  for  storing  ferts.
 
 I'm  using  sauce  containers  which  is  used  in  restaurants.
 
 Choose  different  colors  for  Micro  and  Macro  so  that  it  will  be  easier  for  you  to  identify.
 
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 As  far  as  I've  read  (that's  what  I  follow),  Macro  ferts  do  not  need  any  special  light  blocking.  You  can  keep  them  in  ordinary  'non-opaque'  containers,  but  keeping  them  away  from  strong  light  is  advised.  But  chelated  traces  have  the  ability  to  react  to  light  &  also  encourage  mold.  I  think  it  is  the  property  of  EDTA/DTPA.  So  micro-ferts  have  to  be  stored  in  dark  containers.
 
 Dosing:
 Macros  are  dosed  usually  at  the  time  of  lights  coming  on  (in  the  morning)
 Traces  are  dosed  after  lights  out.  traces  deplete  with  strong  light  (as  already  pointed  out).  So  dosing  after  lights  out  gives  the  whole  system  time  to  churn  through  &  also  get  absorbed.  The  depletion  is  also  the  reason  why  it  is  advised  that  traces  be  dosed  3  times  a  week.  Even  if  you  dose  macros  weekly.


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