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PostPosted: Sun Sep 06, 2015 5:53 pm Post subject: Algae Algae Reply with quote

 
 
 Hi  experts,
 Any  ideas  on  how  to  tackle  this?
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 Sorry  to  see  the  state.  Try  these:
 1.  Take  out  everything  you  can  like  those  stones,  clean  up,  and  put  back.
 2.  Water  change  25-50%  every  other  day  for  2  weeks
 3.  Increase  filteration  (add  new  filter).
 4.  Decrease  lights  to  less  than  2-5  hours  in  a  day,  make  it  continuous  and  do  not  give  smaller  on-time  in  between
 5.  Raise  temp  by  2  degrees  if  using  heater
 6.  Go  for  genuine  Siamese  algae  eater  
 7.  Reduce  amount  of  food  to  fish  by  half.
 8.  Wait  for  about  a  week  on  these  before  going  in  for  chemicals.  
 Best  of  luck.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 07, 2015 7:50 pm Post subject: Re: Algae Algae Reply with quote

 change  water  80%
 
 SHUT  the  lights  completely.  cover  the  tank  and  keep  it  dark  
 
 INCREASE  CO2  and  shut  the  air  pump-  buiy  a  spray  bar  filter  and  roll  the  water,  increase  mechanical  filteration-  use  active  carbon  as  filter  media.
 
 STOP  DOSING  ALL  FERTS
 
 it  will  take  about  2  weeks  to  meltdown.
 
 after  that  sifon  all  the  brown  muck.
 
 Algae  eaters  will  help  buy  bristle  nose  and  insert  them  for  the  glass  clean-up
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 08, 2015 6:35 pm Post subject: Re: Algae Algae Reply with quote

                                                   
kvdelhi  wrote  (View  Post):                
Sorry  to  see  the  state.  Try  these:
 1.  Take  out  everything  you  can  like  those  stones,  clean  up,  and  put  back.
 2.  Water  change  25-50%  every  other  day  for  2  weeks
 3.  Increase  filteration  (add  new  filter).
 4.  Decrease  lights  to  less  than  2-5  hours  in  a  day,  make  it  continuous  and  do  not  give  smaller  on-time  in  between
 5.  Raise  temp  by  2  degrees  if  using  heater
 6.  Go  for  genuine  Siamese  algae  eater  
 7.  Reduce  amount  of  food  to  fish  by  half.
 8.  Wait  for  about  a  week  on  these  before  going  in  for  chemicals.  
 Best  of  luck.                

 
 Thanks  kvdelhi,
 I  removed  all  infected  stones  and  HC  carpet  too.  My  tank  temp  is  already  30  degrees  Celsius.  Searched  for  algae  eaters  but  couldn't  find  them.
 Fish  food  reduced  to  half  as  said  by  you.  I  will  stop  dosing  ferts  also.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 08, 2015 6:41 pm Post subject: Re: Algae Algae Reply with quote

                                                   
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change  water  80%
 
 SHUT  the  lights  completely.  cover  the  tank  and  keep  it  dark  
 
 INCREASE  CO2  and  shut  the  air  pump-  buiy  a  spray  bar  filter  and  roll  the  water,  increase  mechanical  filteration-  use  active  carbon  as  filter  media.
 
 STOP  DOSING  ALL  FERTS
 
 it  will  take  about  2  weeks  to  meltdown.
 
 after  that  sifon  all  the  brown  muck.
 
 Algae  eaters  will  help  buy  bristle  nose  and  insert  them  for  the  glass  clean-up                

 
 
 Hi  garothmaan,
 i  will  install  spray  bar  filter  immediately.  I'm  following  rest  of  the  conditions.
 Thank  you  Smile
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 08, 2015 10:33 pm Post subject: Re: Algae Algae Reply with quote

 What  are  tank  details,  it  is  hard  to  pinpoint  problem  without  tank  details.  
 There  are  no  blanket  solutions  for  algae  problems,  do  not  change  too  much,  the  problem  will  only  worsen.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 08, 2015 11:02 pm Post subject: Re: Algae Algae Reply with quote

                                                   
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What  are  tank  details,  it  is  hard  to  pinpoint  problem  without  tank  details.  
 There  are  no  blanket  solutions  for  algae  problems,  do  not  change  too  much,  the  problem  will  only  worsen.                

 
 Hi  sandeepraghuvanshi,
 Here  are  the  details
 Tank  Size:  60  x  30  x  30  cm  (15  gallon)
 Substrate:  ADA  Amazonia  Soil
 Lighting:  1  PLL  36  Watt  (8  hours)
 Filter  :  Eheim  2211(  with  ADA  Bio  Rio)
 CO2:  Pressurised-2bps  (8  hours)
 Age  of  the  tank:  24  days
 Ferts:  ADA-Step  1,  Brighty  K,  Lights  (each  1ml  daily),  Seachem  Flourish  excel  (weekly  once/twice),  Seachem  Prime  (during  water  change)
 Plants:  Rotala  Rotundifolia  “Green”,  Eleocharis  Parvula,  Rotala  Nanjenshan,  Lilaeopsis  Brasiliensis,  Hemianthus  Cuba,  Hemianthus  Micranthemoides,  Rotala  Rotundifolia  “Pink”  (Most  of  the  are  is  covered  with  plants)
 
 Change  water  thrice  in  24  days  (30-40%  everytime)
 
 I  dont  know  the  parameters  of  water.  But  its  hard  water.
 
 Kindly  guide  me.
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 ADA  Amazonia  leeches  large  amount  of  nutrients  in  initial  stages.  
 Make  large  water  changes  upto  60-65%  every  2  days.
 You  are  already  using  pressurised  co2  flourish  excel  is  not  needed.
 For  some  days  cut  down  on  light  hours.
 Do  not  stop  co2  or  dosing.
 Get  some  mollies,  keep  them  hungry  they  will  eat  this  algae.
 take  a  toothbrush,  twirl  it  amongst  the  algae  it  will  wrap  around,   then  pull  it  out.  
 I  suspect  your  water  is  hard,  try  and  get  it  tested.
 I  faced  same  problem  with  my  ADA  tank  in  initial  stages.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 08, 2015 11:42 pm Post subject: Re: Algae Algae Reply with quote

                                                   
sandeepraghuvanshi  wrote  (View  Post):                
ADA  Amazonia  leeches  large  amount  of  nutrients  in  initial  stages.  
 Make  large  water  changes  upto  60-65%  every  2  days.
 You  are  already  using  pressurised  co2  flourish  excel  is  not  needed.
 For  some  days  cut  down  on  light  hours.
 Do  not  stop  co2  or  dosing.
 Get  some  mollies,  keep  them  hungry  they  will  eat  this  algae.
 take  a  toothbrush,  twirl  it  amongst  the  algae  it  will  wrap  around,   then  pull  it  out.  
 I  suspect  your  water  is  hard,  try  and  get  it  tested.
 I  faced  same  problem  with  my  ADA  tank  in  initial  stages.                

 
 Your  suspicion  is  right.  Its  hard  water.  
 i  will  do  water  changes  every  two  days.
 But  is  there  any  way  to  reduce  the  water  hardness  in  a  simple  way?
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 I  think  problem  is  that  your  tank  is  new  and  probably  has  not  recycled  yet.
 8  hours  of  36  Watt  PLL  at  30  cm  high  tank  is  fairly  high  in  new  tank  with  so  many  newly  introduced  flora  and  fauna,  so  better  reduce  it  to  3-4  hours  a  day  or  complete  blackout  for  about  3  days.  
 New  tanks  may  not  require  fertilizers  initially  for  about  a  month  because  the  substrate  is  rich  in  beginning.  
 Hope  by  next  week,  algae  will  reduce  significantly  with  all  these  measures  (some  amount  of  algae  is  also  good  for  health  of  an  aquarium!!!).
 Cheapest  way  for  reducing  hardness  is  to  store  water  for  about  24  hours  or  more  before  putting  in  aquarium.  You  can  also  mix  some  RO  water.  Check  your  stones  and  rocks,  they  should  not  be  leaching  lime  into  water.  
 And,  how  many  fishes  do  you  have  in  the  tank?
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 It's  going  to  be  near  impossible  to  remove  all  the  algae.  You  could  just  go  with  the  Diana  Walstadt  method  and  let  the  algae  grow.  You  will  be  left  with  a  "Carpet"  of  algae  which  can  be  complemented  with  background  plants.  After  a  while,  this  carpet  will  suck  up  enough  nutrients  to  not  allow  more  algae  to  grow  on  rocks  and  leaves  of  plants.  This  will  completely  ruin  your  current  carpet  though.
 
 As  an  alternate,  you  can  build  a  DIY  algae  scrubber.  Run  your  water  through  an  enclosed  setup  lit  by  red  led.  Seed  it  with  some  algae  which  you  would  need  to  harvest  every  week  or  so.  The  algae  growing  under  red  leds  will  suck  up  all  the  extra  nutrients  stunting  the  growth  of  the  algae  in  the  tank.  Once  your  tank  is  settled,  you  may  not  even  need  this  any  more.
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I  think  problem  is  that  your  tank  is  new  and  probably  has  not  recycled  yet.
 8  hours  of  36  Watt  PLL  at  30  cm  high  tank  is  fairly  high  in  new  tank  with  so  many  newly  introduced  flora  and  fauna,  so  better  reduce  it  to  3-4  hours  a  day  or  complete  blackout  for  about  3  days.  
 New  tanks  may  not  require  fertilizers  initially  for  about  a  month  because  the  substrate  is  rich  in  beginning.  
 Hope  by  next  week,  algae  will  reduce  significantly  with  all  these  measures  (some  amount  of  algae  is  also  good  for  health  of  an  aquarium!!!).
 Cheapest  way  for  reducing  hardness  is  to  store  water  for  about  24  hours  or  more  before  putting  in  aquarium.  You  can  also  mix  some  RO  water.  Check  your  stones  and  rocks,  they  should  not  be  leaching  lime  into  water.  
 And,  how  many  fishes  do  you  have  in  the  tank?                

 
 Yes  .  I  too  feel  that  my  tank  did  not  completed  its  cycle  yet.  I  used  24  hour  stored  water  previously,  but  still  the  algae  came.  I  will  try  mixing  some  portion  of  RO  Water.  I  have  18  fishes  (6  cardinals,  6  rummy  nose  tetra,  6  other  fishes)
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It's  going  to  be  near  impossible  to  remove  all  the  algae.  You  could  just  go  with  the  Diana  Walstadt  method  and  let  the  algae  grow.  You  will  be  left  with  a  "Carpet"  of  algae  which  can  be  complemented  with  background  plants.  After  a  while,  this  carpet  will  suck  up  enough  nutrients  to  not  allow  more  algae  to  grow  on  rocks  and  leaves  of  plants.  This  will  completely  ruin  your  current  carpet  though.
 
 As  an  alternate,  you  can  build  a  DIY  algae  scrubber.  Run  your  water  through  an  enclosed  setup  lit  by  red  led.  Seed  it  with  some  algae  which  you  would  need  to  harvest  every  week  or  so.  The  algae  growing  under  red  leds  will  suck  up  all  the  extra  nutrients  stunting  the  growth  of  the  algae  in  the  tank.  Once  your  tank  is  settled,  you  may  not  even  need  this  any  more.                

 
 Read  about  Diana  Walstadt  method  just  now.  I  have  to  give  it  a  try  along  with  other  methods.
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 For  addressing  hard  water  issue  ,  you  can  buy  the  20ltr  can  that  you  get  in  town,  supplied  at  40-50  rupees  a  can.  You  may  need  three  such  cans.  Keep  the  third  one  with  whatever  remains  in  it  and  use  it  for  changes  or  top-ups.   Compared  to  your  investment  so  far  made  on  the  set-up,  it  is  worth  it  buying  RO/mineral  water  and  use  only  that.  Using  RO  from  home  set-up  is  expensive  in  long  run.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 11, 2015 1:07 pm Post subject: Re: Algae Algae Reply with quote

 Diana  Walstad's  method  refers  to  tanks  with  soil  substrate  and  low  light  no  Co2  setups.
 The  basic  premise  of  this  method  is  that  the  nutrients  generated  by  fish  are  alone  sufficient  for  plants,  and  their  growth  is  slow  but  steady.
 This  cannot  be  replicated  in  a  tank  with  nutrient  rich  soil.
 Do  not  stop  dosing,  else  you  will  run  into  nutrient  deficiency.  
 ADA  tanks  require  additional  dosing  of  potassium  as  it  is  not  present  in  the  substrate.  In  absence  of  potassium  the  leaves  will  start  getting  holes.
 The  only  effective  way  to  reduce  hardness  of  water  is  to  use  RO  water.
 There  are  two  components  of  water  hardness,  GH  and  KH,  you  need  to  lower  both  to  get  soft,  trying  to  change  only  one  with  chemicals  will  only  result  in  disaster.
 Get  a  GH/  KH  test  kit.
 Below  is  link  to  series  of  two  artciles  In  wrote  on  the  subject  the  second  one  details  on  how  to  soften  your  water  over  a  period  of  time.
 
 
 
 Water  parameters  in  Aquariums
 
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