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PostPosted: Mon Jul 28, 2003 11:46 am Post subject: White spots on my fishes Reply with quote

 My  aquarium  is  24X12X12  and  has  25  fishes  (guppies,swordtail,molies,platties)in  it.There  are  white  spots  on  my  fish  and  they  seem  like  fungus.What  is  the  cure  and  how  do  i  cure  it?
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 If  its  white  spot  u  can  either  raise  the  temp  to  about  30deg  c  or  u  can  add  Methylene  Blue  Dye.
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 Hi,
 
 25  fish  in  a  24  x  12  x  12  aquarium  is  way  too  many  fish  that  is  the  reason  why  your  fish  have  an  outbreak  of  White  Spot  or  ich  and  fungus.
 
 I  suggest  you  reduce  the  fish  load.
 
 For  effective  treatment  raise  the  temparature  to  30  deg  C  as  Beta  says.
 
 You  can  buy  Methylene  blue  crystals  at  any  pharmacy.
 Add  roughly  1  gm  of  this  powder  to  1  liter  water  and  make  a  stock  solution.
 
 This  solution  should  be  dosed  at  the  rate  of  1ml  per  10  gallons  of  aquarium  water.
 
 For  effective  cure  continue  the  treatment  for  2  weeks  with  a  50%  water  change  every  3  days  coupled  with  methylene  blue  dosage.  Keep  the  temparature  at  30  Deg  C  throughout  the  treatment  and  increase  aeration.
 
 If  you  don't  want  to  buy  methylene  blue  crystals,  then  buy  the  Blue  Medicine  available  at  LFS.  I  would  never  bet  on  the  concentration  of  these.
 Buying  crystals  and  preparing  a  stock  solution  will  be  much  cheaper.
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 My  addition:
 
 If  you  have  plants(live),  in  the  tank,  and  want  to  have  them,  dont  dose  methylene  blue  in  the  tank.  You  would  have  to  move  them  to  a  hospital  tank,  and  then  medicate  them  separately..
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 One  more  thing..
 
 Add  two  table  spoons  of  salt  to  the  tank  too,  while  adding  Methylene  blue!!  It  helps..
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 Hi,
 
 I  am  34  fish  (avg  size  1.25")  including  neon,  sarphe,red-eye  tetra  and  algee  eater  in  a  heavy  planted  tank.  Tank  size  is  48"/18"/18".
 
 form  yeaterday  I  am  observing  little  white  spots  at  the  eadge  of  the  fins  in  5/6  fishes.
 
 Can  I  treat  them  in  the  planted  tank  itself  ?  Because  as  you  know,  catch  the  small  fishes  in  havily  planted  tank  is  a  very  much  painful  job.  
 
 If  I  use  rock  salt  with  a  high  tempature,  will  it  harm  the  plants?
 
 
 Please  help  me  .
 
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 Salt  at  the  concentrations  needed  to  treat  ich  will  harm  plants.
 
 Increase  the  temparature  to  about    30  Deg  C.
 
 Make  up  a  stock  solution  of  Malachite  Green  (  available  as  crystals  in  lab  stores  in  25  gm  packaging  cost  about  Rs.40/-)  add  1  gm  of  Malachite  Green  crystals  to  1  liter  of  water.
 
 Dose  this  stock  solution  @  6ml  per  100  liter  of  tank  volume.  This  should  help.
 Malachite  Green  does  not  affect  plants.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 20, 2004 6:56 pm Post subject: white spots on fishes Reply with quote

 Hi  Amitava,
 Increasing  temp  and  adding  salt  will  definitely  help,I  have  read  that  Malachite  green  is  carcinogen,Handle  such  chemicals  carefully,or  preferably  use  a  ready  to  use  solution  from  your  lfs.
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 Malachite  Green  crystals  if  inhaled  are  carcinogenic.  It  should  not  affect  you  if  you  do  not  inhale  the  crystals.  Once  in  solution  there  is  no  problem.  The  warning  you  see  in  many  websites  is  more  hype  than  anything  else,  I  think,  after  handling  this  chemical  for  some  time  now  (  1  liter  stock  solution  you  make  will  last  a  long  long  time).  Long  term  exposure  to  Malachite  Green  dust  will  be  harmful.  Anyway  it  is  better  to  be  fore  warned.
 
 The  Malachite  Green  crystals  are  quite  large  unlike  Acriflavine  which  is  in  powder  form    and  do  not  fly  around  easily,  so  there  is  actually  no  danger  unless  you  take  it  very  close  to  your  face.  To  be  on  the  safe  side  do  not  use  the  spoon  or  container  you  use  to  measure  out  Malachite  Green  for  anything  else.
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 Hi  !    
 I  have  also  3pairs  of  swordtail,and  couple  pair  of  guppy  tank  size  is  24*12*12  inches.  
 
 from  last  2  years  whenever  i  found  white  sopt  or  ich  in  tank  (  usually  in  cold  season)  i  do  following  
 Disease  Type:  Parasitic
 Organism:  Ichthyophthirius  multifilis
 
 
 1.  add  crystal  salt  (  not  free  flow  or  fine  salt)  about  3tsp  for  56  liters.  
 2.  raise  temp  about  28  to  30  degree  celcius.  
 3.  next  day  i  add  one  'terramycin  250  mg'  capsule  to  water  (  water  turn  to  yelloish-green  color    )  you  may  find  capsul  at  medical  stores  for  4/-  for  4  nos.  
 4.  next  day  change  half  water  and  repalce  with  aged  wated.  
 during  treatment  o2  supply  in  normal  and  add  2hrs  of  light
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 Very Happy  hey  sanju!  
     I  too  have  had  good  success  with  simple  salt  and  temperature  raise,and  you  are  very  correct  about  it.
     But  I  must  beg  to  differ  with  you  on  the  terramycin  issue,for  the  following  reasons:
 1.Terramycin  is  ineffective  against  parasites.
 2.It  will  kill  most  aerobic  bacteria(and  thus  kill  biological  filtration)
 3.At  the  doses  you  suggest,it  will  not  even  kill  pathological(harmful)  bacteria  completely.On  the  other  hand,by  using  low  doses,you  will  be  creating  bacterial  resistance  to  the  drug...those  bacteria  that  survive  the  low  dose  of  terramycin  in  the  tank  will  multiply...and  the  next  time  you  have  a  genuine  bacterial  infection,none  will  die  to  terramycin.Get  the  picture?Those  strains  of  bacteria  will  be  resistant  to  terra.They  will  prove  difficult  to  cure(and  god  forbid....may  infect  humans  too!)
         The  general  idea  is:If  you  are  going  to  use  an  antibiotic,use  it  in  heavy  doses  to  make  sure  no  bacteria  survives!!!If  not,dont  use  it!
           Very Happy  ...My  Humble  op.I  will  admit,years  ago  I  was  also  guilty  of  the  same  practice....but  we  all  need  to  learn!
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 I  agree...a  case  where  it  has  become  so  difficult  to  eradicate  TB    Sad
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 thxs  murthy  for  some  good  info  @  terramycin
     actually  when  i  brought  new  tank  (24  months  ago)  i  found  good  book  on  aquarium  hobby  and  tech.  it  is  in  marathi  and  the  auther  is  mr.  joshi  (Phd.  in  biology  )  helding  director  post  of  kokan  university.
     in  that  book  all  these  treatment  given  and  i  have  good  result  ...(may  capusle  not  working).
     
           thanks  again  
     he  also  stated  acryflavin  (safforn  colored)  for  bacterial  infection...is  it  so?
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 hey  sanju!  Very Happy  
 yes,acriflavin  is  also  a  good  anti  bacterial.Again,you  will  have  to  use  it  in  a  hospital  tank  only.If  you  decide  to  use  it  in  the  main  tank,you  should  know  that  the  bilogical  filter  is  probably  dead  an  the  tank  has  to  be  cycled  again.Below  is  the  rationale  for  cycling(in  case  it  is  not  posted  elsewhere)
 
 Fish  release  ammonia  as  wastes.Bacteria  in  the  biological  filter(bacteria  that  settles  and  colonises  your  media,like  ceramic  tubes/coarse  sponge/bioballs  etc)...bacteria  in  the  Biological  filter  convert  this  ammonia  into  nitrites(relatively  less  toxic  than  ammonia),and  this  nitrite  is  finally  converted  to  nitrates(even  safer...but  still  bad  stuff).That  is  why  water  still  eeds  to  be  changed  every  15  days  atleast,to  remove  nitrates.
 
 Once  you  know  that  this  is  the  process  involved  in  biological  filtration,you  will  be  careful  before  using  any  anti-bacterials.Or  anti  parasites.Metrogyl  is  on  exception,as  it  will  not  kill  aerobic  bacteria,hence  wont  harm  biofiltration.(though  I  have  my  doubts)...metro  is  used  for  hexamita.
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 *Metro*  is  used  to  eliminate  all  internal  parasites...but  the  water  temp.  is  to  be  above  32deg.C  in  order  for  Metro  to  work.
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