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PostPosted: Thu May 10, 2007 11:11 am Post subject: Please identify these baby discus Reply with quote

 Hi,
 
 I'm  very  new  to  discus  keeping.  Ive  recently  acquired  some  baby  discus  and  kept  them  in  my  planted  tank.  They  are  doing  good  and  eating  well.  But  I  have  no  idea  which  type  they  are.  Kindly  help  me  with  their  identification.
 
 1.  This  one  looks  like  a  wild  brown.  Its  the  largest  one  with  2.5  inches  in  diameter.
 
 
 
 2.  This  is  2"  and  has  yellow/brown  vertical  stripes.  He's  a  bit  skittish  but  in  great  condition  otherwise.
 
 
 
 3.  This  one  is  my  favorite.  The  most  active  guy  in  the  gang.  A  little  less  than  2".
 
 
 
 4.  These  are  the  smallest  ones.  I  have  two  of  them,  roughly  1.5"  each.  The  fins  are  bright  blue  with  dull  grey  body.
 
 
 
 Thanks  in  advance.
 
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PostPosted: Thu May 10, 2007 11:19 am Post subject: Re: Please identify these baby discus Reply with quote

 1.  Rose  red
 2.  Rose  red  with  Snakeskin  genes
 3.  Red  turquoise
 4.  Red  turquoise
 
 first  one  looks  stressed  in  the  pic
 Second  one  seems  ok  for  now  healthwise
 third  and  fourth  are  in  very  bad  condition.
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PostPosted: Thu May 10, 2007 11:35 am Post subject: Re: Please identify these baby discus Reply with quote

 First  acclimatize  them  in  bare  bottom  tanks  with  daily  water  changes  and  heavy  feeding.  They  are  mostly  juveniles  and  right  now  you  should  be  feeding  them  healthy  food  atleast  5  times  a  day  with  daily  water  changes  of  75%.
 
 Once  they  are  used  to  the  water  parameters  and  w/c  ,  then  you  may  slowly  introduce  them  in  planted  tanks.  This  again  depends  on  the  type  of  planted  set  up  you  are  presently  having.  If  your  planted  set  up  is  just  a  low  tech  up  set  up  with  basic  plants  and  no  CO2,  no  dosing  etc  ,  then  introducing  discus  in  these  type  of  low  tech  set  ups  is  fairly  ok.  But  if  your  planted  set  up  demands  CO2,  nutrient  dosing  /  adding  ferts  etc  then  please  be  very  very  careful  before  introducing  them.
 
 Most  of  the  discus  which  you  get  in  LFS  are  all  un-  healthy  and  stressed  out.  So  first  try  to  provide  clean  water  conditions  and  good  feeding,  Later  on  you  may  plan  to  introduce  them  in  planted  set  up.  
 
 The  turqs  are  definitely  stressed  out  and  requires  immediate  attention.
 
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PostPosted: Thu May 10, 2007 11:48 am Post subject: Re: Please identify these baby discus Reply with quote

 Agree  with  KS.
 But  please  dont  feed  4-5  times.  3  times  is  enough  for  them  @  the  moment  with  30-40%  water  changes  daily.
 
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1.  Rose  red  
 2.  Rose  red  with  Snakeskin  genes  
 3.  Red  turquoise  
 4.  Red  turquoise                  

 4th  is  not  Red  Turquoise,  its  a  Blue  Turquoise.  Smile
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PostPosted: Thu May 10, 2007 12:40 pm Post subject: Re: Please identify these baby discus Reply with quote

 Rocky:  When  you  have  the  time  kindly  PM  me  and  educate  me  on  how  to  differentiate  between  Red  Turquoise  and  a  Blue  Turquoise  Discus.
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PostPosted: Thu May 10, 2007 12:57 pm Post subject: Re: Please identify these baby discus Reply with quote

 Hi,
 
 Thanks  all  for  the  responses.
 Yes,  the  last  two  belonged  to  a  batch  in  pretty  bad  condition  at  the  LFS.  The  third  Red  turquoise  has  improved  quite  a  lot.  Yes,  its  improved  now,  just  think  of  the  condition  I  had  bought  them  in.  Im  sure  they  wont  have  survived  a  couple  of  days  more  in  the  LFS.  It  was  more  of  a  rescue  than  a  purchase.  The  fourth  one  has  also  improved  a  bit.  The  colors  are  more  visible.  They  were  all  dark  when  I  bought  them  with  dark  stress  bars.  I  hope  it  makes  it  through  though.
 One  good  sign  that  I've  observed  is  that  they  are  feeding  readily.  The  tank  is  a  high  tech  but  I  have  shut  off  the  CO2  supply  and  nutrients  addition  since  Ive  introduced  these  fishes.  The  tank  itself  has  been  setup  for  four  months  now.  Fully  cycled  with  very  few  nitrates.  Im  doing  water  changes  every  2  days.
 I'm  feeding  them  4  times  a  day  at  the  moment.  Its  indeed  recommended  to  feed  them  4-5  times  a  day  at  this  age.
 If  you  can  provide  any  additional  tips,  that  would  be  great.  Tha  nks.
 
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PostPosted: Thu May 10, 2007 1:20 pm Post subject: Re: Please identify these baby discus Reply with quote

 nothing  left  to  say  after  Betas  expert  comments..
 
 I  would  still  advise  stocking  adult  discus  than  juvis  in  a  planted  tank..  as  then  u  need  not  worry  about  growth..  Smile
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PostPosted: Thu May 10, 2007 1:39 pm Post subject: Re: Please identify these baby discus Reply with quote

 Rocky,
 
 Do  you  think  doing  30  -  40%  of  water  change  is  for  clearing  debris  /  uneaten  food  etc  ...??  First  of  all  learn  more  on  the  reasons  of  why  discus  keepers  do  heavy  water  changes  in  a  discus  tank  that  too  in  juvenile  stages.....
 
 Also  just  because  you  find  the  blue  color  in  the  fourth  pic,  dont  coin  it  as  blue  turquoise..  Chuckle  
 
 Regarding  feeding  schedule  for  5  times  a  day,  i  didnt  mean  to  dump  food  on  all  5  occassions.   Chuckle  
 
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PostPosted: Thu May 10, 2007 1:50 pm Post subject: Re: Please identify these baby discus Reply with quote

                                                   
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 Do  you  think  doing  30  -  40%  of  water  change  is  for  clearing  debris  /  uneaten  food  etc  ...??                

 Agree  with  you,  but  if  the  feeding  comprises  of  'non-non  veg'  than  around  50%  should  suffice..otherwise  would  say  over  70%  for  goat-beef  heart.
 
 
                                                 
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 4th  is  not  Red  Turquoise,  its  a  Blue  Turquoise.                  

 There  is  practically  no  difference  between  these  two  'types',  just  as  there's  no  difference  between  golden\sunset\sunrise?\crystal  yellow...
 Get  the  point,  infinite  names  for  one  'type'.
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PostPosted: Thu May 10, 2007 2:01 pm Post subject: Re: Please identify these baby discus Reply with quote

 ya  rocky  we  all  could  use  a  few  pointers  between  red  turqs  and  blue  turqs..why  pm  beta  and  let  him  only  have  the  benifit   Very Happy
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PostPosted: Thu May 10, 2007 2:12 pm Post subject: Re: Please identify these baby discus Reply with quote

 Guys..Lets  get  back  to  helping  Mughal  with  his  discus.  I  will  PM  you  guys  if  Rocky  has  a  valid  criteria  for  differentiating  the  two  varieties.
 
 Mughal:  I  guess  the  first  step  would  be  to  move  the  fishes  to  a  bare  bottom  tank  of  their  own  with  clean  water.
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 I  guess  the  first  step  would  be  to  move  the  fishes  to  a  bare  bottom  tank  of  their  own  with  clean  water.                

 Plus  daily  partial  water  changes  if  you  could,  would  certainly  help.
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 Mughal,
 
 Your  first  task  should  be  to  move  them  in  a  3  footer  with  sponge  filter  for  filteration  purpose.  Better  to  keep  the  tank  bare  bottom  and  get  them  acclimatized  to  the  new  environment  by  religiously  following  the  feeding  schedules  and  water  changes.  
 
 Those  juveniles  are  stressed,  so  avoid  putting  any  decorums  or  lights  in  your  bare  bottom  tank.  Also  monitor  the  pH  of  your  water  very  closely  as  discus  juveniles  gets  easily  affected  due  to  pH  fluctuations.
 
 Cokeamod,  
 
 Kindly  note  that  water  changes  in  a  bare  bottom  discus  tank  should  be  more  ;  particularly  when  they  are  in   juvenile  stages  .  This  is  not  only  attributed  to  the  nature  of  feed  or  feeding  schedule.  
 
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 I  have  a  two  footer  bare  bottom  tank  with  a  mature  sponge  filter.  That  has  some  convict  and  tiger  barb  fry  growing  out.  Looks  like  I'll  have  to  empty  that  for  the  time  being.
 As  far  as  the  planted  tank  is  concerned,  I'm  changing  50%  water  every  two  days.  Discus  are  the  only  fish  there  with  a  small  CAE.  It  has  a  mature  filter  and  the  plants  are  naturally  good  for  keeping  water  quality  good.  Just  a  thought,  can  I  keep  them  there?  It  would  serve  both  as  a  growout  and  display  tank  for  me...
 If  u  dont  agree  to  above,  i'll  have  to  get  a  new  tank  Â   Shocked  
 
 
                                                 
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 See  WC  depends  on..
 
 Size.(big  or  sml)
 Stock(no.  of  fishes  in  the  size  of  tank)(overstocking/understocking)
 BB  tank  or  with  decor.
 Type  and  nos.  of  feed
 
 As  u  have  4  fishes  and  u  intend  to  keep  them  in  a  2  footer  (dimensions??)..u  can  do  that  for  the  time  being..as  it  is  none  are  above  3"  max.
 increase  WC  to  whatever  u  are  comfortable  in  as  in  30-40%  twice  a  day  after  feeds..  or  75%  once  a  day..Depends  on  the  time  u  can  give  in..
 And  if  u  are  not  feeding  BHM  a  lesser  WC  will  also  do..
 If  tap  water  do  add  a  dechlorinator.
 
 And  lastly  keep  it  simple...  Very Happy  
 
 umm..  thats  about  it..  if  anything  else  comes  in  my  mind  i  will  keep  u  updated..
 
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