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PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2007 2:57 pm Post subject: Help Required - Planted Aquarium Reply with quote

 Hi,
 
 I  am  planning  to  venture  into  the  lovely  world  of  planted  aquariums.
 
 I  need  suggestions  from  experts  on  this  forum.
 
 I  have  three  tanks  currently.I  plan  to  start  of  with  a  small  aquarium  and  then  move  on  to  the  bigger  one  later  once  i  have  gained  enough  knowledge  on  planted  aquariums.
 
 I  have  read  almost  all  articles  in  this  forum  to  gain  an  understanding  on  how  to  deal  with  planted  aquariums.
 
 Would  be  great  if  anyone  can  suggest  on  how  to  proceed  with  the  tank  specs  i  have  mentioned  below.
 
 Tank  specs  :
 
 Lenthg:  1.5  feet
 Breadth:  1  feet
 Height:  1  feet.
 
 1.  Is  this  a  good  spec  to  start  with
 2.  What  kind  of  plants  should  i  use
 3.  What  is  the  kind  of  lighting  and  other  specs
 4.  What  else  is  required  to  get  this  up  and  running.
 
 
 This  forum  rocks
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PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2007 3:20 pm Post subject: Re: Help Required - Planted Aquarium Reply with quote

 Welcome  to  the  wordl  of  planted  tank  [Smile]
 I  am  sure  this  is  very  much  specific  to  individuals  choice  but  I  would  prefer  a  larger  tank  of  size  about  30-32  G.
 Reason  being  :
 The  tank  that  you  are  planing  to  start  with  holds  about  11g  and  essentially  could  fall  in  the  category  of  a  Nano  tank.
 IMO,Planted  nano  tank  requires  more  expertise  for  various  reasons  related  to  dosing,Co2  and  also  the  plant  availability.
 I  started  with  a  14g  tank  (2X1X1)  and  now  moved  over  to  a  66g(  4X1.5X1.5)  and  now  i  feel  i  shud  have  migrated  to  a  3  ft.
 
 A  3  ft  gives  us  a  decent  space  to  expirement  with  plants  of  almost  all  sizes.  Plus  leaves  you  a  choice  to  decide  over  DIY  Presurrised  Co2.
 Its  also  easy  on  the  pocket  to  stick  to  a  2-3W  per  Gallon   of  light  for  a  3  ft.
 
 Start  with  fast  growing  plants  like  the  hygrophila  species,  hornwort  and  you  could  also  add  couple  of  amazon  swords.They  have  always  done  good  in  my  starter  tank.
 
 As  i  mentioned  above,setup  the  lights  at  2  to  2.5  W  per  gallon.For  a  1.5  f  lenth  tank  ,  you  may  have  to  use  CFLs  which  adds  up  lot  of  heat  in  the  tank.
 For  a  3  ft  you  have  choice  between  2  ft  tubelight  or  even  PLLs.  I  have  used  Phillips  CFLs  and  PLLS  with  6400k  color  temperature  with  decent  results.
 
 While  buying/designing  the  hood  for  the  tank  ,  keep  in  mind  that  the  lights  heat  up  the  tank  and  is  not  good  for  the  plants  .So  you  have  to  make  sure  that  the  heat  gets  dissipated  well.  You  can  do  it  either  by  using  CPU  fans  (read  thru  other  posts  in  the  forum)  or  by  keeping  it  open  top  and  suspending  the  lights  above  the  tank  such  that  they  are  8-10  inches  above  the  top  of  the  tank.
 Hope  that  helps  Smile
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PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2007 8:19 pm Post subject: Re: Help Required - Planted Aquarium Reply with quote

 Hi  camy
 
 I  think  Rohan  has  highlighted  some  very  valid  points.
 
 A  tank  1.5  by  1  by  1  is  rather  small.  Though  some  people  do  enjoy  their  tanks  that  small,  including  me,  I  think  it  restricts  some  of  your  choices.
 
 As  Rohan  has  pointed  out,  it  is  difficult  for  beginners  to  get  lighting  that  suits  such  a  tank.  CFLs  (the  small  fluorescent  bulbs  in  the  market)  are  prone  to  heat  up  as  their  ballast  is  fixed  to  them.  You  need  lights  that  allow  the  ballast  to  be  set  outside  the  tank  where  they  wont  heat  it  up.  Some  plants  such  as  java  moss  and  java  ferns  wont  tolerate  the  heat  that  CFLs  generate,  and  belive  me  you  will  do  well  to  have  them  around.  A  3  feet  tank  is  a  good  starting  point.
 
 Another  thing  I  want  to  point  out  is  that  a  high  tech  tank  with  CO2  and  EI  will  create  such  lush  growth  that  with  a  small  tank  you  will  find  yourself  forever  pruning  stem  plants.
 
 As  a  starting  point  as  always  with  aquariums  it  is  best  to  start  with  a  conveniently  big  tank  before  moving  on  to  smaller  tanks.
 
 Getting  a  deeper  tank  now  will  see  you  thanking  yourself  later.  Many  great  plants  are  on  the  taller  side.  A  jungle  of  vals  is  a  great  sight  but  needs  the  height  to  show  themselves  off.  Echinodorus  are  great  plants  that  look  best  when  they  are  a  little  larger.  Aponogetons  and  some  crypts  too  like  to  stretch  their  leaves.  Given  a  choice  I  would  opt  for  something  around  18  inches  high  as  it  allows  some  depth  for  substrate  too.
 
 For  beginners  I  think  it  is  best  to  "go  the  whole  hog"  and  start  directly  with  a  setup  with  CO2,  estimative  index  and  medium/high  light.  Low  tech  does  not  mean  easy  and  high  tech  does  not  mean  real  high  tech.  They  are  deceptive  terms.  The  basic  principles  are  same  with  both  setups,  however  high  tech  is  a  more  "responsive"  sytem  and  estimative  index  has  made  things  much  easier,  therefore  my  recommendation  for  starting  with  it.
 
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PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2007 8:45 pm Post subject: Re: Help Required - Planted Aquarium Reply with quote

 Thanks  Deepesh  and  Rohan.  
 
 I  will  take  your  recommendations  and  work  on  it.  I  have  three  tanks.
 
 Tank  1:  As  mentioend  earlier
 Tank  2:  3  feet  -  L,  1.5  feet  -  H  and  1  feet  in  depth
 Tank  3:  4  feet  -  L,  2  feet  -  H  and  1.5  feet  in  depth
 
 I  will  take  tank  2  into  this  for  my  planted  tank  set  up.
 
 I  will  need  some  to  time  to  dispose  my  flowehorn  in  that  tank.
 
 Can  you  also  help  me  in  what  substrate,  plants  ect  are  required  and  where  i  can  get  it  from.
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PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2007 8:50 pm Post subject: Re: Help Required - Planted Aquarium Reply with quote

 Hi  Camy,
 
 Agree  with  Deepesh  and  Roshan  and  would  only  like  to  strees  on  there  sugesstion  i.e  you  would  have  to  have  your  co2  system  and  lighting  set  up  before  you  could  start  off.  And  the  only  way  you  can  narrow  down  on  this  is,  by  having  your  mind  made  on  the  size  of  the  tank  you  would  start  your  set  up  in.
 
                            Most  of  us  (including  me)  dont  have  these  basic  things  sorted  in  the  begining  ,  resulting  to  a  liitile  dissappointment  later.  I  hope  you  would  do  the  right  thing  and  "I  WARMLY  WELCOME  YOU  TO  THE  BEAUTIFUL  WORLD  -  PLANTED  AQUA"
 
 Regards,
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PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2007 9:01 pm Post subject: Re: Help Required - Planted Aquarium Reply with quote

 Since  you  are  in  Chennai,  a  laterite-gravel  substrat  would  be  easy  to  get  and  keep.
 
 As  for  plants,  you  have  a  great  many  options.
 
 Vals,  cabomba,  limnophila,  bacopa,  rotala,:  background
 
 Cryptocoryne  (usually  wendtii),  Java  ferns:  middle  height
 
 Sagittaria  sublata,  echinodorus  tenellus,  lillaeopsis:  shorter  plants
 
 Echinodorus  (many  species  and  varieties),  aponogetons,  larger  cryptocorynes:  specimen  plants/  focal  points.
 
 Anubias
 
 There  are  some  small  plants  that  some  people  use  as  foregrounds  but  these  are  high  maintenance.  I  think  Madan  has  mentioned  somewhere  that  it  is  easier  to  give  up  such  high  maintenance  foregrounds  in  favour  of  hardscaping  the  foreground  with  sand.  Maybe  his  new  low  maintenance  tank  points  to  that.  You  ought  to  have  a  look  at  that.
 
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PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2007 6:03 am Post subject: Re: Help Required - Planted Aquarium Reply with quote

 When  it  comes  to  aquascaping,  please  do  not  forget  the  hardscape  (rocks,  wood)  as  well!
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PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2007 12:27 pm Post subject: Re: Help Required - Planted Aquarium Reply with quote

 Thanks  Guys.  I  am  slowly  gaining  momentum.  Thanks  for  all  the  suggestions.  I  will  keep  you  posted.
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