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PostPosted: Mon Jan 12, 2004 12:44 am Post subject: CO2 Reply with quote

 I'm  new  to  this.    I  have  heard  of  aeration.  Am  planning    to  setup  a  planted  tank  and  have  read  that  I  will    need  a  CO2  pump.  Can  I  buy  it  in  Chennai?
 
 Can  I  also  buy  laterite  substrate  and  gravel    from  a  store  here.
 
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 Hello  Muthu,
 
 Welcome  to  IAH  and  also  to  the  exciting  planted  tank  concept.  This  is  what  it  is  all  about.  PLants  need  co2  for  photosynthesis,  you  might  be  well  aware  of  that  and  since  in  a  planted  tank  more  importance  is  given  to  plants  than  to  fish,  we  pump  co2  into  the  tank  to  encourage  lush  growth  of  plants.  This  we  can  do  in  2  ways:
 1.  DIY  method
 2.  Cylinder  and  regulator  method.
 
 In  the  first  method,  we  make  a  brew  of  sugar  water  and  yeast  that  produces  co2  as  by  product  and  hence  that  can  be  used  in  the  tank.  This  co2  so  arrive  at  shall  be  diffused  into  the  water  using  a  co2  reactor  or  a  co2  diffusor.  The  difference  between  a  reactor  and  a  diffusor  is  very  simple.  The  percentage  of  co2  that  is  completely  dissolved    with  water  is  more  in  a  reactor  than  in  a  diffusor  and  hence  loss  of  co2  is  minimal  in  a  reactor.  A  reactor  can  either  be  made  by  urself  or  u  can  buy  one  from  a  good  aquarist.  Here  at  chennai  GEM  aquarium  has  a  co2  reactor  where  as  Redlin  has  a  few  co2  diffusors.
 
 In  the  second  method  which  is  a  lil  expensive  method,  you  will  hav  to  buy  a  co2  cylinder  from  any  soda  gas  supplier,  a  regulator  and  a  needle  valve.  This  you  will  use  to  introduce  co2  in  the  tank  and  diffuse  it  in  the  same  way  u  do  for  a  DIY  co2  setup.
 
 Before  we  go  into  the  co2  part  of  the  planted  tank  setup,  we  all  would  like  to  know  about  the  lighting  you  are  using  because  that  is  the  most  important  aspect  and  also  regarding  the  substrate  enrichment  that  you  have  done  too.
 
 Please  keep  refering  to  us  for  more  details.  We  will  be  glad  to  guide  you  through  the  entire  process.
 
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 12, 2004 11:43 am Post subject: From scratch! Reply with quote

 Hello  Venkat,
 
 Thanks  for  your  quick  response.  I'm  starting  from  scratch.
 I  have  a  60  x  24  x  18  inches  (length  x  height  x  width)  tank  right  now.  
 I'm  looking  to  buy  a  substrate,  CO2  pump,  plants,  light....I  guess  everything  that  requires  to  have  a  planted  aquarium!
 
   I  have  had  an  aquarium  but  am  only  an  amateur  and  never  had  live  plants.  
 Any  information  you  guys  give  will  be  most  useful  to  me.  I  want  to  do  it  right  as  it  will  not  be  practical  to  change  the  substrate.
 
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 Hello  again,
 
 Well  as  far  as  the  substrate  is  concerned,  we  all  use  kappi.  The  remains  that  u  get  after  sand  is  seved  in  a  construction  site.  We  use  a  filter  to  get  rid  of  fine  and  too  large  particles  to  get  2-  3  mm  sized  gravel.  If  u  find  it  hard  to  source,  then  u  can  buy  it  from  GEM  aquarium  at  10kg  denomination.  
 
 As  far  as  the  lights  are  concerned.
 I  suggest  u  go  for  metal  Halides.  150w  X  2.  If  you  find  it  expensive  or  a  lil  worried  about  heat,  then  you  can  go  for  fluoroscent  tubes.  (Phillips  Truelite).  Calculate  the  light  in  terms  of  3w  per  gallon  of  water.  I  use  2.5w  for  my  tank.
 
 Co2  Cylinder  will  be  delivered  at  home  by  a  person  who  supplies  for  me.  His  name  is  Ramesh  and  phone  number  is  9841274540.  Reactors  can  be  got  from  GEM  again  or  for  better  models  contact  Rufus  in  bangalore.  His  contact  details  can  be  had  from  previous  postings  in  IAH  at  buy/sell  section  if  I  am  not  wrong.
 
 Plants  can  be  sourced  from  different  people.  
 The  regular  fast  growing  plants  can  be  got  from  Mr.Jayaseelan  of  Pondy  and  rare  and  good  looking  plants  can  be  sourced  from  people  of  ASK  at  bangalore  and  from  Mr.  Kiran  Koppikar  of  comibatore.  Gem  also  gets  a  lot  of  exotic  plants.  Jayaseelan  has  arround  25  varieties  of  plants.  All  fast  growing.
 
 We  guys  at  chennai  will  also  be  glad  to  give  away  all  those  plants  that  we  prune.
 
 Good  laterite  can  be  got  from  any  nursery.  Please  make  sure  that  u  get  pure  laterite  without  manutre  mix.  For  the  micros,  get  in  touch  with  us  when  u  please  and  we  will  be  glad  to  give  u  some.
 
 Regards
 
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 13, 2004 10:30 pm Post subject: Lights Reply with quote

 Question  on  the  lights.
 
 I  went  looking  for  Metal  Halide  lights.    2  bulbs  at    150W    for  a  total  of  300W.  
 The  guy  at    the  light  store  suggested  I  use  CFL  for  better  power  consumption.
 Has  anyone  used  CFL  lights.    What  are    the    disadvantages  and    how  many  CFL  lights  would  I  need    to  use  for  a    100    gallon  (US)    tank.
 You    mentioned  3W  per  gallon.  Is  that  the  right  way  of  measuring.  For  example,  CFL  at  a  lower    wattage  may  produce  the  same  brightness  as  a    MH  lamp    with  higher    wattage.
 Please  help.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 14, 2004 10:23 am Post subject:  Reply with quote

 Hello,
 
 The  light  requirement  for  a  tank  is  2-3w  per  gallon  immaterial  of  what  light  you  use.  Pl  lamps  are  a  good  idea  but  I  am  told  that  fluroscent  lamps  do  not  hav  penetration  of  light  over  water  column  for  more  than  20  inches  in  depth.  But  I  use  ordinary  phillips  true  lite  (40wx6)  for  my  100  gallon  tank.  But  I  am  told  that  a  150w  metal  halide  takes  arround  200/-  per  month  when  kept  on  for  12  hours  a  day.  So  the  decision  is  left  to  you.  
 
 I  suggest  you  go  in  for  fluroscent  lights  initially  and  start  the  tank.  After  the  tank  matures  you  can  think  about  MH  because  my  Guru  Madan  says  that  it  is  like  giving  a  ferrari  in  the  hands  of  a  beginer.
 
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 14, 2004 11:11 am Post subject:  Reply with quote

 Hi,
 
 I've  found  one  problem  with  CFLs.  They  don't  last  long  if  you  keep  them  on  for  continuous  12-14  hrs,  daily.  Each  unit  lasts  maximum  2  months.  Also,  they  lose  their  brightness  with  time.  Even  if  they  are  branded  and  expensive.
 
 CFLs  are  good  only  if  you  are  not  going  to  put  them  on  continuously  for  a  long  period,  regularly.  
 
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 15, 2004 11:37 am Post subject: Next Steps to an empty aquarium Reply with quote

 Thanks  for  all  the  advice.  
 Correct  me  if  my  approach  is  wrong:
 Substrate:
 1)  Fill  half  inch  with  laterite
 2)  Fill  one  inch  with  5-6mm  gravel  or  2-3mm  gravel
 3)  Fill  another  3  inches  with  2-3mm  gravel.  Maybe  more  at  the  back  side  to  create  a  slope  from  front  to  back.
 Questions  on  substrate:
 Please  correct  me  if  the  above  steps  are  wrong.
 Do  I  need  to  add  peat  moss  (from  Madan's  article)?
 Where  can  I  get  peat  moss?
 Do  I  need  to  mix  the  gravel  with  laterite?
 Couldn't  find  sized  gravel  at  Gem.  Is  there  a  place  where  I  can  get  2-3mm  gravel  and  5-6mm  gravel?
 
 Carbon  dioxide  pump:
 Am  planning  to  get  the  pump  from  Ramesh.
 Question:
 How  much  does  a  cylinder  cost?
 What  other  things  do  I  need  -  valve,  reactor?
 How  long  will  a  cylinder  last.  I  have  a  100  gallon  (US  size)  tank.
 
 Filters:
 Went  to  Gem  Aquarium  last  night  and  was  shown  an  array  of  filters.  Came  back  confused!
 What  filter  do  I  buy  for  a  100  gallon  tank.  Is  it  preferable  to  buy  an  overhead  filter,  or  underwater  filter,  or  the  external  filter?  The  costs  vary  for  each  filter  and  am  not  sure  which  is  the  best  fit  for  a  planted  tank.
 
 That's  a  lot  of  questions!  I  also  read  some  documentation  on  K2So4  and  KNO3.  Where  can  I  get  them  and  when  I  do  start  using  it.
 
 Thanks!
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 15, 2004 1:29 pm Post subject: Re: Next Steps to an empty aquarium Reply with quote

 Hi  Muthu,
 
 
                                                 
Muthu  wrote:                

 1)  Fill  half  inch  with  laterite                

 
 Not  really.  Mix  laterite  &  gravel  &  spread  this  mix  as  the  first  layer.  Just  1/3  cup  of  laterite  per  sqr  feet  is  enough.
 
 
                                                 
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 2)  Fill  one  inch  with  5-6mm  gravel  or  2-3mm  gravel
 3)  Fill  another  3  inches  with  2-3mm  gravel.  
                 

 
 Avoid  5-6  mm  gravel.  2-3  mm  gravel  is  best  for  plant  and  root  growth.  
 Above  laterite  mix,  plan  for  5  to  6  inches  of  2-3  mm  gravel  in  the  front  &  about  8  to  9  inches  in  the  back.  
 
 
                                                 
Muthu  wrote:                

 Do  I  need  to  add  peat  moss  (from  Madan's  article)?
 Where  can  I  get  peat  moss?
                 

 
 Not  required  for  normal  planted  aquarium.
 
 
                                                 
Muthu  wrote:                
Do  I  need  to  mix  the  gravel  with  laterite?                

 
 Yes.
 
 
                                                 
Muthu  wrote:                
Couldn't  find  sized  gravel  at  Gem.  Is  there  a  place  where  I  can  get  2-3mm  gravel  and  5-6mm  gravel?                

 
 Buy  normal  sand  used  for  construction  &  seive  it  with  a  3  mm  seive  &  then  with  a  2  mm  seive.
 
 
                                                 
Muthu  wrote:                
Carbon  dioxide  pump:
 Am  planning  to  get  the  pump  from  Ramesh.                

 
 What  is  Co2  pump  ?  You  don't  require  any  pump  for  co2.
 
 
                                                 
Muthu  wrote:                
How  much  does  a  cylinder  cost?                

 
 A  9  kgs  cylinder  will  cost  about  Rs  2,250-00
 
 
                                                 
Muthu  wrote:                
What  other  things  do  I  need  -  valve,  reactor?                

 
 You  need  a  pressure  reduction  regulator.  Buy  a  good  2  stage  regulator  with  2  gauges.  It  will  cost  about  Rs  850-00.  Then  you  need  a  needle  valve  to  control  co2  flow.  You  need  to  send  out  about  2  to  3  bubbles  per  minute  for  a  4  feet  tank.  Then  you  need  a  bubble  counter  to  see  the  actually  outflow.  Then  a  reactor  or  diffuser  to  mix  the  co2  &  water.  Maybe  a  power  head  to  pump  water  thro  the  reactor.
 
 
                                                 
Muthu  wrote:                
How  long  will  a  cylinder  last.  I  have  a  100  gallon  (US  size)  tank.                

 
 About  4  to  6  months.
 
 
                                                 
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Filters:
 Went  to  Gem  Aquarium  last  night  and  was  shown  an  array  of  filters.  Came  back  confused!
 What  filter  do  I  buy  for  a  100  gallon  tank.  Is  it  preferable  to  buy  an  overhead  filter,  or  underwater  filter,  or  the  external  filter?  The  costs  vary  for  each  filter  and  am  not  sure  which  is  the  best  fit  for  a  planted  tank.                

 
 If  cost  is  not  a  problem,buy  Ehiem.  Germany  made,  external  filters.  Very  good  &  very  expensive.  Or,  buy  internal  filters,  which  is  basically  a  sponge  with  a  power  head  to  circulate  water  thro  the  sponge.
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 Hi  Ravi  -  Thanks  for  your  quick  response.
 
 I  got  the  laterite  and  have  just  mixed  in  water  and  let  it  stay.  Need  to  look  out  for  gravel  tomorrow.  Can  you  let  me  know  where  I  can  buy  a  2mm  and  a    3mm  sieve.  I  asked  for  it  in  a  couple  of  hardware  stores  and  they  didn't  carry  any.  Let  me  know  where  you  got  them.
 
 Thanks  again!
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 Hello  Muthu,
 
 What  is  the  idea  behind  soaking  laterite??  Because  u  cannot  clean  laterite  this  way,  it  keeps  giving  out  colour  as  long  as  it  is  there  in  the  water.  So  please  add  laterite  directly  to  gravel  and  start  off  with  the  tank  without  waiting  on  the  laterite  to  clearup.  We  strongly  adivce  you  keep  your  fiteration  ready  before  you  start  off  with  the  planting  work  because  filteration  is  not  only  to  clear  the  water  but  it  also  helps  in  maintaining  the  bio  balance  of  the  water  and  keep  it  fairly  safe.  I  too  would  suggest  EHEIM  2217  as  a  good  model  for  your  tank  size.  I  think  the  seive  that  Ravi  got  was  from  near  Kandhasami  Koil,  parrys.
 
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 Hi  Muthu,
 
 You  need  to  make  it  yourself.  Buy  1"  x  1.5"  SS  mesh  with  2  mm  &  3mm  space  between  wires.  Then,  get  a  carpenter  to  make  2  rectangular  frames.  Fix  each  mesh  on  each  frame.  That's  it.
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 I  filled  the  tank  almost  three  quarters.  The  table  didn't  stand  the  weight  and  the  whole  100  gallon  tank  crashed  down  from  a  height  of  3  feet.
 
 As  you  can  imagine,  water  with  laterite    and  gravel  all  over  the  floor!
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 Thats  bad  news  Sad    Hope  nobody  got  hurt
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 Sorry  to  hear  that......
 
 I  think  I  told  you  to  first  fill  up  the  tank  with  water..
 
 I  also  remember  asking  you  what  arrangement  you  had  made  about  the  stand,  and  the  warning  about  the  weight  so  much  water  can  weigh...
 
 Anyways,  keep  me  informed  about  your  plans...
 
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