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PostPosted: Wed Dec 19, 2007 12:50 pm Post subject: Discus queries Reply with quote

 My  tank  size  is  36  X  15  X  18  high
 
 1.  What  capacity  heater  is  needed  for  me(in  watts)
 2.  Is  it  true  that  discus  growth  is  slow  /  they  get  shunted  in  planted  aquarium
 3.  Is  it  true  that  feeding  only  dry  food(tetra  bits)  will  have  impact  on  their  growth
 4.  In  normal  conditions  (not  too  good/  not  too  bad),  how  much  period   it  takes  for  a  1"  discus  to  grow  to  around  4-5"
 5.  Is  this  wrong  season  to  buy  discus
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 19, 2007 1:00 pm Post subject: Re: Discus queries Reply with quote

 ....
 1.  200  Watts
 2.  Depends  on  a  lot  of  other  factors  in  a  planted  tank,  like  WC  schedule,  feeding  regime  etc.
 3.  Not  really  sure  but  my  fish  really  appriciate  it  and  I  do  see  a  change  in  their  growth  rate  with  BHM  is  higher.
 4.  4-6  months.
 5  Whats  the  reason..???
 
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 19, 2007 1:20 pm Post subject: Re: Discus queries Reply with quote

 Nanu,
 
 Thanks  for  reply
 The  reason  for  asking  about  season  is  that  its  cold  here  and  I  have  heard  mortality  rate  is  high  during  cold  and  rainy  season  due  to  change  in  climate.  So  wondering  if  its  OK  as  discus  are  expensive  fishes.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 19, 2007 3:43 pm Post subject: Re: Discus queries Reply with quote

 1.  200W  
 2.  Factors  with  Planted  Aquariums  attributing  to  slow/  stunted  growth.
      â€¢  WC’s  required  are  not  so  frequent  &  certainly  not  close  to  80-90%.  Whereas,  for  good  growth  discus  require  daily  WC’s.
      â€¢  Locating  food  in  a  planted  tank  can  be  troublesome  for  young  discus.  Being  a  shy  fish  by  nature,  it  will  rarely  swim  out  in  the  open  &  always  try  to  take  shelter.  This  will  also  contribute  to  them  not  taking  right  proportions  of  food  &  they  by  growing  weak  &  related  problems.
      â€¢  Food  (live/frozen/dry)  particles  getting  trapped  in  substrate  &  decaying.  
      â€¢  Temperature  may  also  be  a  concern.  Plants  do  well  at  26  degrees  C,  whereas  to  keep  the  body  metabolism  at  it’s  optimum  Discus  Aquariums  are  maintained  at  ~28  degrees  C.
 
 3.  Dry  food  of  only  one  type  can  certainly  be  monotonous  in  nature.  Giving  a  variety  of  dry  feed  will  reflect  in  improved  growth,  resistance  &  adaptation  to  new  environments.  This  further  improves  when  frozen  (home-made  or  otherwise)  &  live  food  is  a  part  of  their  diet.
 
 4.  This  is  difficult  to  say  â€“  Inheritance  also  plays  a  major  role.  How  well  have  they  been  looked  after  till  they  reached  this  size  (1”)  is  also  important  ,  by  Breeder  or  LFS.  
 Guidelines  -  7+  months  on  Dry  food  &  ~5  months  on  BHM,  Frozen  &  Live  food  with  routine  WC’s.  IME,  after  5”  the  growth  rate  drops  &  they  put  on  body  mass.
 
 5.  In  captivity  discus  can  breed  anytime  during  of  the  year.  It’s  just  a  matter  of  inducing  -  Food  ,  temperature  (WCs')  ,  conditioning  each  separately,  etc.,  and  this  is  how  they  are  bred  by  most  breeders.  So,  I  wouldn’t  define  a  wrong  time  to  buy  them.  Just  make  sure  what  you  are  buying  is  in  the  right  in  its  own  respect  &  you  provide  conditions  for  their  survival  &  growth.  
 
 Few  things  I’d  look  for  before  buying  one  -  Age  :  Size  ratio  as  mentioned  by  the  seller,  Eye  to  body  proportions,  sunken  head,  pinched  belly,  Clasped  fins,  breathing  on  one  gill,  darker  stress  bars,  etc.
 
 Like  most  fishes,  for  Discus  -  The  initial  6  month  period  is  crucial  for  the  rest  of  their  life  -  health,  food  habits,  growth,  etc.  
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 19, 2007 4:03 pm Post subject: Re: Discus queries Reply with quote

 Thanks  Deepak  for  comprehensive  reply.
 What  would  be  right  approach  for  discus  show  tank.  Something  like  grow  discus  to  5"  in  bare  bottom  tank  and  then  start  plantation  as  anyway  there  will  not  be  much  growth  after  that?  or  may  be  have  planted  tank  and  buy  5"  discus  rather  than  smaller  one.
 Empty  tank  with  just  sponge  filter  and  discus  somehow  do  to  appeal  to  me.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 19, 2007 4:08 pm Post subject: Re: Discus queries Reply with quote

 Personally,  I  would  recommend  buying  small  discus  grow  them  to  about  6"+   in  a  BB  Aquarium  &  then  may  be  either  convert  the  same  Aquarium  to  a  Planted  on  or  choose  another.
 
 You  can  choose  to  have  plants  on  driftwood.  I  did...
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 19, 2007 4:20 pm Post subject: Re: Discus queries Reply with quote

 ..very  well  written  by  Deepak.  Everything  is  very  explanatory....
 
 
                                                 
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The  reason  for  asking  about  season  is  that  its  cold  here  and  I  have  heard  mortality  rate  is  high  during  cold  and  rainy  season  due  to  change  in  climate.  So  wondering  if  its  OK  as  discus  are  expensive  fishes.                

 
 You  have  heard  right  that  the  mortality  rate  is  high  during  these  months  because  many  people  done  even  invest  in  a  heater  in  the  first  place  and  expect  the  same  temp  in  the  tank  through-out  the  year.  
 
 Also  more  important  than  HIGH  temperatures  is  a  CONSTANT  temperature.  
 
 Always  remember  that  while  WC,  the  difference  in  the  temperature  between  the  tank  water  and  new  water  from  the  tap  is  much  greater  during  these  cooler  months.  
 
 Also  generally  in  the  Monsoon  the  chlorine  and  its  derivatives  are  higher  in  content  during  monsoon  months,  and  care  should  be  taken  for  this.
 
 Discus  are  not  hard  to  keep  once  you  are  dedicated  to  them  and  once  you  are  ready  to  read  up  enough  on  them.  IMO  they  are  not  all  that  delicate  people  make  them  out  to  be...but  more  or  less  just  shy.  
 
 Hope  this  helps  
 Cheers..
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 20, 2007 12:07 pm Post subject: Re: Discus queries Reply with quote

 Given  temperatures  in  Mumabi,  IMO  there  is  no  need  for  a  heater  unless  you  are  treating  the  fish.  OF  course,  they  may  grow  faster  if  you  maintain  a  higher  temperature,  but  variations  during  water  change  may  affect  the  fish.
 
 Beefheart  and  daily  water  change  is  a  must  for  good  growth,  especially  of  smaller  discus.
 
 Finally,  the  quality  of  the  fish  you  are  buying  is  extremely  important,  especially  if  you  are  planning  to  buy  small  discus..  try  to  avoid  LFS.  I've  rarely  seen  good  quality  discus  with  them.  AS  much  as  possible  try  to  buy  from  breeders  and  if  possible,  ask  to  see  the  parents  of  the  fish.  
 
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Anandaqu  wrote  (View  Post):                
As  much  as  possible  try  to  buy  from  breeders  and  if  possible,  ask  to  see  the  parents  of  the  fish.                  

 
 No  offence,  but  I  won’t  rule  out  the  possibility  of  the  breeder  showing  young  discus  in  one  tank  &  saying  they  belong  to  a  pair  of  large  discus  in  the  other.  
 
 Young  discus,  if  not  artificially  bred,  size  >  Â¾â€  is  not  generally  kept  with  parents  &  anything  <  Â¾â€  is  generally  not  for  sale,  I  hope  you  get  the  view  point.  If  you  have  a  trust  relationship,  it’s  a  different  story  altogether.
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 Deepak,
 
 No  offence  taken....I  assumed  a  breeder  you  could  trust...I  know  one  whom  I  trust  and  will  be  happy  to  put  theash  in  touch  with  him...
 
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 21, 2007 4:21 pm Post subject: Re: Discus queries Reply with quote

 Deepak,
 
 Just  for  knowledge  would  surely  be  interested  in  knowing  who  breeds  discus  artifically..are  there  any  you  have  come  accross.
 
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 21, 2007 6:36 pm Post subject: Re: Discus queries Reply with quote

                                                   
Salaskar  wrote  (View  Post):                
Deepak,
 Just  for  knowledge  would  surely  be  interested  in  knowing  who  breeds  discus  artifically..are  there  any  you  have  come  accross.                

 
 Hi  Salaskar,
 
 None  that  I've  come  across,  I  mentioned  it  as  one  of  the  criteria  to  consider  for  prospective  buyers.
 
 I  will  also  make  a  correction  to  my  previous  post  â€“  â€œartificially  rearing”  instead  of  â€œartificially  breeding”.
 
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 26, 2007 12:28 pm Post subject: Re: Discus queries Reply with quote

 I  tried  to  get  200W  heater  but  it  was  not  available.  Since  I  am  suspecting  one  of  my  discus  not  well,  I  needed  to  buy  it  urgently.  So  bought  the  available  one  i.e.  300W.
 Is  this  OK  (my  LFS  says  so)
 Also  what  care  I  need  to  take  for  heater  during  water  change.  I  am  removing  cord(electricity).  Do  I  have  to  remove  heater  completely  out  of  aquarium?  The  reason  I  am  asking  is  that  during  normal  working,  its  supposed  to  be  fully  immersed  in  water(as  per  instructions).  When  I  do  water  change  its  top  is  out  of  water.  Hope  thats  OK.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 26, 2007 12:53 pm Post subject: Re: Discus queries Reply with quote

 No  problem..  go  on.
 
 
                                                 
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Also  what  care  I  need  to  take  for  heater  during  water  change.  I  am  removing  cord(electricity).  Do  I  have  to  remove  heater  completely  out  of  aquarium?                
no  need..  just  unplug  the  heater  cord  from  switch  board.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 26, 2007 1:19 pm Post subject: Re: Discus queries Reply with quote

                                                   
theash  wrote  (View  Post):                
So  bought  the  available  one  i.e.  300W.  Is  this  OK  (my  LFS  says  so)                  

 
 That’s  fine;  make  sure  there  is  good  water  circulation  around  the  heater.
 
 
                                                 
theash  wrote  (View  Post):                
Also  what  care  I  need  to  take  for  heater  during  water  change.  I  am  removing  cord(electricity).  Do  I  have  to  remove  heater  completely  out  of  aquarium?  The  reason  I  am  asking  is  that  during  normal  working,  its  supposed  to  be  fully  immersed  in  water(as  per  instructions).  When  I  do  water  change  its  top  is  out  of  water.  Hope  thats  OK.                

 
 -  Turn  off  the  heater,  if  you  are  not  sure  about  the  correctness  of  the  house  wiring  I  would  recommend  to  unplug  the  plug.
 -  Turn  off  at  least  15  minutes  before  dropping  the  water  level  in  the  Aquarium.
 -  Turn  on  once  completely  immersed  under  water.  
 
 During  maintenance  if  the  heater  I  not  properly  secured
*  to  the  Aquarium  wall,  the  heater  may  drop  down  causing  breakage.  
 Lower  the  heater  further  into  the  water  column  to  safe  levels  or  remove  the  heater  from  the  Aquarium.
 I  use  low  density  sponge  to  encase  the  tip  of  the  heater-  even  if  I  were  to  accidentally  knock  it  against  the  Aquarium  wall  during  cleaning  nothing  goes  wrong.
 
 
 *  Reason  for  release  from  aquarium  wall  â€“  poor  quality  vacuum  suction  pads.  Slime,  Algae  or  dirt  on  glass  can  cause  vacuum  to  escape.  These  are  designed  to  hold  on  to  glass  well  under  water  only.
 
 HTH  Smile
 
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