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PostPosted: Fri Nov 21, 2008 7:30 pm Post subject: Puntius denisonii threatened by aquarium trade Reply with quote

 Scientists  have  highlighted  the  threatened  conservation  status  of  the  Red  lined  torpedo  barb,  Puntius  denisonii,  a  popular  aquarium  fish.  
 
 
 Read  More  at  
 
 1.  http://www.crgkerala.org/images/In%20Press%20-%202.pdf
 
 2.  http://www.practicalfishkeeping.co.uk/pfk/pages/item.php?news=1899
 
 3.  http://www.thehindu.com/2004/12/25/stories/2004122504930500.htm
 
 About  Conservation  Research  Group  Kerala  (CRG-K)
 
 http://www.crgkerala.org/publications.html
 
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 22, 2008 10:10 am Post subject: Re: Puntius denisonii threatened by aquarium trade Reply with quote

 If  it  is  really  critically  endangered,  why  hasn't  it  fallen  under  Schedule  I  yet?
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 22, 2008 2:05 pm Post subject: Re: Puntius denisonii threatened by aquarium trade Reply with quote

 Hi,
 I  feel  if  not  all,  only  the  IAHians  atleast  can  start  not  to  keep  this  fish  till  the  time  the  decline  in  population  has  been  stepped  on.  If  possible  pass  the  message  to  other  fellow  hobbyist  not  to  buy  them.  A  decrease  in  demand  would  surely  get  a  fall  in  commercial  exploitation  to  an  end.
 On  the  other  hand  experienced  hobbyist  like  our  own  Betta  and  others  at  the  same  platform  can  try   to  breed  them  and  pass  the  chemistry  to  other  members  so  that  the  supply  can  be  met  with  captive  bred  p.denisoni.  
 Just  an  attempt  to  make  the  hobby  survive.
 I  hope  the  message  also  goes  to  Maneka  Gandhi  that  hobby  is  not  alone  fish  keeping  but  also  conservation  of  nature.
 
 We  are  in  the  process  of  launching  a  site  basically  to  educate  people  of  fish  keeping  and  conservation  of  aquatic  flaura  and  fauna.
 
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 22, 2008 6:15 pm Post subject: Re: Puntius denisonii threatened by aquarium trade Reply with quote

 Tarun,  people  keeping  these  barbs  in  India  are  nowhere  consuming  even  5%  of  what  is  being  exported  out.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 28, 2008 12:53 am Post subject: Re: Puntius denisonii threatened by aquarium trade Reply with quote

 Hi,
 I  was  told  by  some  members  of  IAH  that  some  IAHians  have  been  exporting  E.  Canarensis.
 SHAME  ON  SUCH  MEMBERS.
 I  fail  to  understand  how  can  people  conscience  allow  them  to  do  this  kind  of  act.
 I  met  one  forest  officer  and  have  mentioned  about  export  of  E  canarensis  but  he  was  barely  interested.
 
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 28, 2008 2:18 am Post subject: Re: Puntius denisonii threatened by aquarium trade Reply with quote

 Once  I  have  tried  to  keep  Dario  Darios,  but  I  failed  to  give  them  live  food.  They  Died.  And  I  have  decided  not  to  keep  any  natives  unless  I  get  the  required  setup  and  knowledge  keeping  and  breeding  them.
 
 Now  a  days  keeping  Indian  natives  became  a  status  symbol  for  lots  of  aquarists.  And  in  reality  75%  of  the  fishes  got  killed   cause  the  keeper  does  not  have  the  knowledge  on  Indian  Natives  and  their  requirements.  Rest  24.99%  are  keeping  them  but  failing  to  breed  them.  Top  of  that  Indian  market  is  full  of  Uneducated,  dishonest  businessmen,  who  are  sending  natives  overseas.  So  unless  the  serious  guys  are  not  taking  the  extra  mile  and  stop  touching  the  native  biotopes,  no  one  can  help  saving  these  poor  creatures.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 28, 2008 8:41 am Post subject: Re: Puntius denisonii threatened by aquarium trade Reply with quote

 FYI  Puntius  denisonii  and  Etroplus  canarensis  are  being  commercially  bred  in  Indonesia  and  so  you  will  see  a  drop  in  demand  in  the  future.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 28, 2008 9:06 am Post subject: Re: Puntius denisonii threatened by aquarium trade Reply with quote

 WE  FEEL  PROUD  BREEDING  EXOTIC  FISHES  AND  TRY  TO  BREED  THE  IMPOSIBLE.
 
 WHY  SOULD  THE  SAME  TO  BE  FOLLOWED  WITH  OUR  NATIVES.  
 
 NOTHING  IS  IMPOSSOBLE  WHY  CAN'T  PEOPLE  TRY  BREEDING  NATIVES,  EVEN  BREEDERS  ARE  ONLY  BEHIND  EXOTICS!!!!
 
 WE  FEEL  PROUD  SOMEONE  BRED  FISH  OF  OUR  ORIGIN  IN  MALASIA.  WHY  SHOULD  WE  TRIED  IT  FIRST  HERE  HAS  ANYONE  TRIED  BREEDING  INDIAN'S  IMPOSSIBLE
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 28, 2008 10:48 am Post subject: Re: Puntius denisonii threatened by aquarium trade Reply with quote

 There  will  always  be  demand  for  wild  caught  natives.  The  only  way  to  save  them  is  breeding  them  commercially  (and  ensure  they  are  as  colourful  as  the  wild  caughts)  or  harvesting  them  sustainably  from  the  wild.  This  requires  stringent  control.  This  seems  a  distant  dream.  As  far  as  educating  the  hobbyists  goes,  a  list  of  vulnerable  species  must  be  put  at  least  on  this  forum.  The  Government  has  loftier  issues  to  tackle  right  now.  We  also  need  to  ensure  other  exotics  and  hybrids  do  not  encroach  into  our  native  waters.
 
 There  are  many  native  fish  varieties  that  can  be  easily  kept  in  an  aquarium  with  no  harm  to  their  numbers.  Probably  we  can  make  a  list  of  those  fishes  too.  
 
 Among  IAH'ians,  I  think  only  a  handful  have  P.Denisonii  or  E.Canarensis.  There  are  bound  to  be  exporters  in  such  a  large  forum.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 28, 2008 11:04 am Post subject: Re: Puntius denisonii threatened by aquarium trade Reply with quote

                                                   
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WE  FEEL  PROUD  BREEDING  EXOTIC  FISHES  AND  TRY  TO  BREED  THE  IMPOSIBLE.
 
 WHY  SOULD  THE  SAME  TO  BE  FOLLOWED  WITH  OUR  NATIVES.  
 
 NOTHING  IS  IMPOSSOBLE  WHY  CAN'T  PEOPLE  TRY  BREEDING  NATIVES,  EVEN  BREEDERS  ARE  ONLY  BEHIND  EXOTICS!!!!
 
 WE  FEEL  PROUD  SOMEONE  BRED  FISH  OF  OUR  ORIGIN  IN  MALASIA.  WHY  SHOULD  WE  TRIED  IT  FIRST  HERE  HAS  ANYONE  TRIED  BREEDING  INDIAN'S  IMPOSSIBLE                

 
 1.  Don't  post  in  caps.
 2.  Put  down  some  clear  points  on  what  you  want  to  accomplish.
 3.  Do  some  research  on  the  generalisations  that  you  make.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 28, 2008 11:08 am Post subject: Re: Puntius denisonii threatened by aquarium trade Reply with quote

                                                   
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 WE  FEEL  PROUD  SOMEONE  BRED  FISH  OF  OUR  ORIGIN  IN  MALASIA.  WHY  SHOULD  WE  TRIED  IT  FIRST  HERE  HAS  ANYONE  TRIED  BREEDING  INDIAN'S  IMPOSSIBLE                

 
 There  are  about  a  billion  reasons  that  suggest  it  is,  contrary  to  what  you  think,  actually  very  easy  to  breed  Indians.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 28, 2008 12:53 pm Post subject: Re: Puntius denisonii threatened by aquarium trade Reply with quote

                                                   
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Hi,
 I  was  told  by  some  members  of  IAH  that  some  IAHians  have  been  exporting  E.  Canarensis.
 SHAME  ON  SUCH  MEMBERS.                

 
 Jatinbhai,  feel  free  to  share  who  those  exporter  members  are.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 28, 2008 1:26 pm Post subject: Re: Puntius denisonii threatened by aquarium trade Reply with quote

 Yes,  Please  be  free  to  share  the  names  of  the  exporters  from  IAH.  
 I  think  everyone  is  taking  through  they  hat  without  any  any  concrete  evidence.
 
 Why  is  it  so  difficult  for  Bangalore  and  Mangalore  aquarists  to  get  the  Etroplus  Canarensis.??????
 
 And  why  did  the  few  E.  canarensis  get  auctioned  for  a  princely  sum  during  IAH's  aquatika  2008  if  there  are  so  many  exporter  members  around.
 
 Please  refrain  from  commenting  on  subjects  and  fish  you  know  nothing  about  based  only  on  hearsay.
 
 I  am  addressing   all  members.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 28, 2008 3:24 pm Post subject: Re: Puntius denisonii threatened by aquarium trade Reply with quote

 I  agree  with  Gokul  that  atleast  we  should  have  a  list  of  Fishes  that  are  endangered  (be  it  Indian  or  otherwise)  which  we  should  as  members  of  IAH  discourage  from  keeping  unless  of  course  the  experts  can  handle  them,  which  would  not  cause  any  harm  to  them.
 
 I  for  sure  will  not  get  into  the  list  of  endangered  species.  As  many  varieties  of  flora  and  fauna  as  exists  need  to  be  protected...  If  I  find  people  selling  /  buying  any  fish  that  is  not  supposed  to  be  bought  /  sold,  I  will  gladly  report  it.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 28, 2008 4:18 pm Post subject: Re: Puntius denisonii threatened by aquarium trade Reply with quote

 Hi  All,
 The  idea  is  to  spread  the  message  and  that  cant  be  done  by  refraining  your  self.
 You  have  to  be  explicit  sometimes  to  make  your  message  prominent.
 
 Nothing  is  hearsay.  where  there  is  smoke  there  is  fire  somewhere.
 
 The  name  of  this  person  did  not  appear  all  of  a  sudden  and  not  from  single  person.
 
 I  did  not  malign  any  member,  no  names  taken.
 I  will  be  glad  if  strong  and  popular  members  like  you  can  join  us.
 administrators  co-operation  is  solicited.
 
 I  want  IAH  to  be  more  than  a  forum.
 I  see  IAH  few  years  down  the  line  as  a  conservation  society  for  Aquatic  flaura  and  Fauna.
 A  similar  effort  is  being  taken  in  delhi  and  i  am  glad  it  is  associated  with  IAH.
 The  site  is  under  construction.  www.aquariumclubdelhi.in
 
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