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PostPosted: Wed Dec 10, 2008 12:10 am Post subject: Re: Attempt at a Planted Tank, Pics Update 09 Dec 2008 Reply with quote

 Thanks  Shameek  and  Subhankar
 Will  get  rid  of  the  bottle  soon.  And  put  a  proper  CO2  setup  in  place
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 10, 2008 1:30 am Post subject: Re: Attempt at a Planted Tank, Pics Update 09 Dec 2008 Reply with quote

 Unni....  Hats  off  to  your  photography.  A  too  good  detailing  of  your  progress.  All  the  best  for  this  project.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 10, 2008 1:30 am Post subject: Re: Attempt at a Planted Tank, Pics Update 09 Dec 2008 Reply with quote

 Hi  unni..  nice  setup..  we  both  are  first  timers  in  planted  tanks..  but  u  out-performed  me  by  a  light  year.  
 
 really  great  setup  
 
 one  suggestion  on  the  DIY  front..  you  wont  need  the  powerhead  for  CO2   injection  if  u  connect  the  bottle  neck  with  the  EHEIM  filter  outlet..  you  will  need  1  rubber  fixture  used  for  attaching  pipes  to  tap  mouth.
 
 If  you  use  black  vinyl  for  background  you  can  also  use  black/green  coloured  bottles.  that  will  give  it  some  camouflage  
 
 What  really  surprises  me  is  you  went  for  EHEIM  but  not  for  pressurised  CO2..  EHEIM  is  luxury  for  planted  tanks  but  CO2  is  essential..
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 10, 2008 3:02 am Post subject: Re: Attempt at a Planted Tank, Pics Update 09 Dec 2008 Reply with quote

 Hi  unni,
 
 can  you  tell  me  where  did  u  buy  the  LG  vinyl  sheet  from?  i  mean  in  what   kind  of  shop  i  should  look  for  them?
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 10, 2008 7:49 am Post subject: Re: Attempt at a Planted Tank, Pics Update 09 Dec 2008 Reply with quote

                                                   
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Unni....  Hats  off  to  your  photography.  A  too  good  detailing  of  your  progress.  All  the  best  for  this  project.                

 Thanks  Thirtha.
 The  documentation  is  nothing  compared  to  the  120Gallon's  Journal  that  you  are  penning  currently

 
 
                                                 
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 Hi  unni..  nice  setup..  we  both  are  first  timers  in  planted  tanks..  but  u  out-performed  me  by  a  light  year.  really  great  setup.  one  suggestion  on  the  DIY  front..  you  wont  need  the  powerhead  for  CO2   injection  if  u  connect  the  bottle  neck  with  the  EHEIM  filter  outlet..  you  will  need  1  rubber  fixture  used  for  attaching  pipes  to  tap  mouth.  If  you  use  black  vinyl  for  background  you  can  also  use  black/green  coloured  bottles.  that  will  give  it  some  camouflage.  What  really  surprises  me  is  you  went  for  EHEIM  but  not  for  pressurised  CO2..  EHEIM  is  luxury  for  planted  tanks  but  CO2  is  essential..                

 
 
 Thanks  Mithun
 I  agree  that  Pressurized  CO2  would  have  stabilized  at  least  one  end  of  a  labile  equation  and  given  me  more  latitude  to  work  with  other  parameters.  The  problem  is  not  with  my  willingness  to  get  it.  The  dealers  who  have  cylinders   in  ready  stock  have  only  the  large  cylinders  in  stock  and  are  unwilling  to  get  the  small  ones  even  against  order.  All  of  them  refuse  to  get  cylinders  filled  if  I  get  a  smaller  cylinder  from  someone  else.   Sad  
 I  got  the  black  Vinyl  sheet  from  a  wholesale  dealer.  Enquiries  at  two  sources  led  to  the  same  shop.
 
    1,  Large  format  printing  shop  who  prints  on  the  flex  banners
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 10, 2008 8:52 am Post subject: Re: Attempt at a Planted Tank, Pics Update 09 Dec 2008 Reply with quote

 Hi  Unni,
 Your  setup  is  very  impressive.  
 One  of  the  best  tanks  I  have  seen  which  runs  on  DIY  Co2.
 All  I  would  suggest  here  is  do  not  go  overboard  with  DIY  Co2  it  is  unreliable  and  the  results  can  be  unforgiving.
 You  have  already  experienced  that.
 Slow  and  steady  will  definitely  do  good  Smile
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 10, 2008 10:25 am Post subject: Re: Attempt at a Planted Tank, Pics Update 09 Dec 2008 Reply with quote

 Which  algae  is  this?  Looks  like  staghorn,  I  may  be  wrong.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 10, 2008 10:41 am Post subject: Re: Attempt at a Planted Tank, Pics Update 09 Dec 2008 Reply with quote

 Beautiful  tank,Unni.
 
 By  the  way,  Why  is  this  thread  in  the  beginner  section.  
 Unni,  You  have  outgrown  that  section  a  long  time  back  Chuckle  
 
 If  mods  can  move  this  please......
 
 Regards,
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 10, 2008 12:17 pm Post subject: Re: Attempt at a Planted Tank, Pics Update 09 Dec 2008 Reply with quote

 Go  slow  friend  and  be  rewarded.  Thumb Up  
 You  cannot  run  a  tank  with  more  than  2/w  g  on  a  diy  co2  for  a  long  time.  The  diy  co2  is  not  consistent,  and  as  flutuations  buildup  the  algae  has  a  hayday.
 Till  the  time  you  are  able  to  get  presurised  co2,  keep  it  low  tech  and  you  will  not  have  problems.
 Also  keep  in  mind  that  plants  are  living  things  are  need  time  to  adjust  to  changes  envoirnment.
 If  you  are  increasing  lights  do  it  slowly  over  a  period  of  weeks,  this  will  give  plants  to  adjust  and  algae  will  be  minimised.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 10, 2008 3:34 pm Post subject: Re: Attempt at a Planted Tank, Pics Update 09 Dec 2008 Reply with quote

 You  are  way  ahead  of  being  a  beginner.  That  is  a  great  start.   Clapping  
 
 Get  your  CO2  in  order  and  then  reap  the  benefits.  One  of  the  reasons  why  I  have  always  advised  against  DIY  CO2  is  its  inconsistency.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 10, 2008 3:39 pm Post subject: Re: Attempt at a Planted Tank, Pics Update 09 Dec 2008 Reply with quote

 Hi  !
 
 You  need  to  re-organize  the  plants  to  make  the  aquascaping  more  meaningful,  it  looks  good  but  then  the  plants  should  be  grouped  as  per  their  height,  required  light  intensity  and  colour  to  give  a  visual  impact.....all  the  best..  Thumb Up  
 
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 10, 2008 11:52 pm Post subject: Re: Attempt at a Planted Tank, Pics Update 09 Dec 2008 Reply with quote

                                                   
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Hi  Unni,
 Your  setup  is  very  impressive.  One  of  the  best  tanks  I  have  seen  which  runs  on  DIY  Co2.  All  I  would  suggest  here  is  do  not  go  overboard  with  DIY  Co2  it  is  unreliable  and  the  results  can  be  unforgiving.  You  have  already  experienced  that.  Slow  and  steady  will  definitely  do  good  Smile                

 
 Thank  You  Rohan
 I  did  freak  out  with  the  yeast  bottles  for  a  few  days.  But  then  I  realized  the  error  in  that.  Currently  I  am  changing  one  bottle  4  days  apart.  Thus  all  bottles  are  cycled  over  12  days.
 By  the  way  your  old  tank's  pictures  with  the  light  fixtures  on  rails  over  the  tank  helped  me  to  set  up  my  lights,  thanks  once  again.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 11, 2008 12:17 am Post subject: Re: Attempt at a Planted Tank, Pics Update 09 Dec 2008 Reply with quote

                                                   
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Which  algae  is  this?  Looks  like  staghorn,  I  may  be  wrong.                

 Hi  Deba
 Even  through  I  am  very  very  good  at  growing  algae  I  am  not  not  an  expert  on  their  speciation.   Chuckle   Chuckle  
 I  was  under  the  impression  that  it  was  GBA?
 
 I  probably  should  ask  Suraj  whether  I  can  borrow  his  old  signature  that  said    MSc  Algae,  LKG  Plants

 
 
                                                 
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 Beautiful  tank,Unni.
 By  the  way,  Why  is  this  thread  in  the  beginner  section.  Unni,  You  have  outgrown  that  section  a  long  time  back  Chuckle  Regards,  Nayak.
                 

   Cheering   Cheering   Cheering  
 Yipppeeeeee.  That  made  my  day.
 I  can  still  remember  my  professor  patting  me  on  the  back  and  saying  "You  are  nearing  competence".  Your  comment  gives  me  the  same  feeling.  Thank  You  Nayak.  Your  long  thread  was  inspirational  for  me.  Thank  you
 
 But  as  to  the  forum  that  the  thread  is  in,  since  I  AM  a  beginner   the  thread  should  probably  remain  here  itself  

 
 
                                                 
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 Go  slow  friend  and  be  rewarded.  Thumb Up  
 You  cannot  run  a  tank  with  more  than  2/w  g  on  a  diy  co2  for  a  long  time.                

 
 Thanks  Sandeep.  I  learned  that  the  hard  way,  and  will  not  forget  that  in  a  hurry.
 
 
                                                 
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 You  are  way  ahead  of  being  a  beginner.  That  is  a  great  start.   Clapping  Get  your  CO2  in  order  and  then  reap  the  benefits.  One  of  the  reasons  why  I  have  always  advised  against  DIY  CO2  is  its  inconsistency.
                 

 
   Cheering   Cheering  Yet  another  pat  on  the  back  from  a  person  whom  i  hold  in  high  regard.  Thank  you  Suraj.
 I  remember  that  you  had  suggested  Presurized  CO2  to  me  in  an  email  about  4  months  back.  You  were  right  of  course,  I  am  tiring  of  rotating  bottles.
 Its  an  even  greater  job  to  prevent  my  son  from  shaking  the  bottles  umpteen  times   a  day.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 11, 2008 12:52 am Post subject: Re: Attempt at a Planted Tank, Pics Update 09 Dec 2008 Reply with quote

                                                   
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Hi  !
 You  need  to  re-organize  the  plants  to  make  the  aquascaping  more  meaningful,  it  looks  good  but  then  the  plants  should  be  grouped  as  per  their  height,  required  light  intensity  and  colour  to  give  a  visual  impact.....all  the  best..  Thumb Up  
 Regards                

 
 Joy
 Thank  you  for  your  suggestions.
 When  i  started  off  all  I  knew  about  plants  was  what  I  had  read  up  on  the  net.  That  didn't  translate  100%  to  facts.
 I  have  been  learning  how  to  grow  plants  {hopefully  without  too  many  algae  or  too  many  yellow,  curled  or  holed  leaves}.  I  plan  to  repeat  this  cycle  two  or  three  times  to  see   how  well  I  can  grow  them.  Then  I  might  attempt  a  scaping
 I  have  said  in  the  beginning  of  the  post  that  I  will  leave  art  to  the  artists.  I  think  that  you  need  a  certain  amount  of  art  in  your  mind  to  layout  a  proper  original  aquascape;  Which  I  lack.  The  terms  like  focal  points,  meaningful  aquascape  etc  leaves  me  blank  and  staring   Chuckle  
 So  for  the  present  I  will  leave  the  aquascaping  to  my  betters  and  continue  with  growing  plants  and  a  few  fish   Thumb Up
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 01, 2009 4:44 pm Post subject: Re: Attempt at a Planted Tank, Stripping down thoughts Reply with quote

 Closing  thoughts
 
 
 
 The  tank  has  been  running  for  four  months  now.  I  made  a  lot  of  mistakes  and  learned  a  lot.  The  comments  that  I  got  from  the  forum  {on  this  thread  and  others}  has  improved  my  understanding  of  plants  and  tanks  by  leaps  and  bounds.
 
 I  am  shifting  houses  next  weekend.  The  tank  will  be  stripped  down  and  redone  in  the  new  house.  Since  the  tank  would  be  stripped  down  it  was  on  maintenance  only  mode  for  the  past  month.
 
 I  had  a  fiasco  with  Serpae  Tetras,  they  ripped  most  of  my  neons,  black  neons  and  Corydoras  to  pieces.  And  then  they  nipped  at  each  other  till  all  of  them  perished.  Got  a  few  Ghost  White  angels  as  replacements.
 
 I  lost  all  the  Hygro  Corymbosa  Compacta  and  the  Ammania.  Have  replaced  them  with  Rotala  Rotundifolia  and  Ludwigia  Repens  respectively
 
 Plants  which  I  couldn’t  manage  to  grow
 Ammania  Senegalensis  :-  Low  CO2  and  Low  dosing  killed  it  off.  Rotted  from  the  stems  up
 Hygo  Corymbosa  Compacta  :-  Melted  away  in  a  period  of  lean  dosing
 
 Plants  which  are  just  managing  to  Survive
 Blyxa  Japonica  –  Just  sitting  there,  not  even  a  single  new  leaf  in  the  past  month
 Nuphar  Japonica  :-  The  older  leafs  melt  within  about  10  days  of  coming  up.  But  the  rhizome  still  feels  firm.
 Aponogeton  Bovinianus  :-  Still  in  hibernation.
 Crpt  Parva  :-  The  moss  overgrew  and  shadowed  it
 Dwarf  Hairgrass:-  Not  growing  due  to  Low  CO2  and  compacted  sand  probably.  Being  overgrown  and  crowded  out  by  the  E  Tenellus  now.
 Rotala  Wallichi  :-  After  a  6  weeks  period  of  fantastic  growth  it  just  became  static.  No  further  growth
 
 Plants  That  did  well
 All  Anubias  Species
 Taxyphyllum  Barbieri  :-  I  was  surprised  by  this.  The  tank  temp  is  between  28-31  degrees.
 Both  Varieties  of  Echinodorus  Tenellus
 H  Zosterifolia
 Mayaca  Fluviatilis
 Myriophyllum  Aquaticum
 Crypt  Wenditi  Brown
 
 
 Here  is  a  Temporal  image  Sequence
 
 At  Planting
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 Changes  that  are  going  to  be  made  in  the  redo  attempt
 
    Tank  is  still  going  to  be  Sand  +  Laterite  only.  I  feel  that  I  Haven't  gathered  enough  experience  and  commitment  to  invest  on  ADA  yet.
     Pressurized  CO2  :-  Cylinder  lined  up  already,  local  Gas  supplier  has  agreed  to  refill.
     Sieved  sand  :  -  2-3mm  Grain  size,  So  that  the  crypt  roots  wont  grow  up  in  protest
     Sand  border  to  the  Laterite:  -  So  that  the  Laterite  will  not  peep  out  through  the  glass
     Use  a  better  piece  of  wood  /  rocks  only  so  that  I  will  have  more  area  for  plants.  The  current  wood  pieces  are  horizontally  aligned  and  take  up  a  lot  of  real  estate.
     Since  I  am  someone  who  lacks  an  abstract  thought  process  and  a  creative  mind  I  wouldn't  venture  into  the  challenging  world  of  Aquascaping  just  yet.  May  be  in  the  next  revision  of  the  tank..............

 
 Suggestions  and  criticisms  for  improvement  for  the  second  iteration  of  the  tank  are  invited   Bow  
 May  the  Aquarium  Gods  smile  upon  thee
 
 Another  good  thing  that  came  out  this  was  that  I  got  reacquainted  with  My  camera.  I  have  about  3000  exposures  over  the  past  four  months{Tank  god  for  Digital  Cameras}.  I  liked  a  few  of  them  I  hope  you  will  too
 
 
 

 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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