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PostPosted: Fri Dec 12, 2008 11:22 am Post subject: From "sick"lid to cichlid.. confessions of a newbi Reply with quote

 hello  everybody,
 well  after  a  lot  of  time  spent  reading  and  silently  observing,  i  finally  went  ahead  and  got  myself  a  brand  new  36"x18"x18"  8mm  glass  tank   Very Happy  ..  for  which  i  saved  up  from  my  meagre  pocket  money..  in  my  older  23  gallon,  i  had  3  angels  which  went  through  a  lot  of  nonsense  before  i  started  reading  up  on  fish  keeping  ..  i  donot  know  how  they  survived  all  those  days  (  i  used  to  have  this  guy  who  used  to  come  home  and  wash  the  tank  once  in  3  weeks.  and  yes  with  vim  liquid  soap  :s),  i  used  to  have  3  tiger  barbs  too  in  that  same  tank  along  with  a  few  mollies  and  guppies,  and  of  course  the  ever  present  fish  in  all  newbie  tanks,  the  iridescent  shark....   but   now  that  they  (the  angels)  have  survived,  thankfully,  i  intend  to  give  them  a  new  and  better  life  in  the  new  tank  which  is   cycled  (the  first  time  ive  ever  done  this)  and  up  and  running  with  two  sponge  filters  and  an  airstone..  so  after  all  those  confessions,  i  finally  come  to  the  actual  purpose  of  this  post..
 
 1.  what  would  be  a  good  number  of  angels  to  put  in  such  a  tank(  comes  close  to  50  gallons  i  presume)?  i  was  thinking  12  but  i  still  want  to  completely  be  sure  of  what  i  am  doing.
 2.  is  adding  a  pleco  to  the  tank  a  good  idea?
 3.  can  i  add  any  other  fish  to  the  tank  along  with  the  angels?
 4.  astro  500F  was  the  internal  filter  the  lfs  guy  advised  me  to  buy  .  should  i  go  for  it?  i  did  some  checking  on  the  net  and  i  found  that  it  turns  out  a  maximum  of  500  l/hr..  i  presume  it  means  liters  per  hour.(?).
 5.  Will  god  forgive  me  for  whatever  i  did  before  i  chanced  upon  IAH?
 
 Please  help  me  out  here  because  i  really  want  to  make  up  for  all  nonsense  which  my  fish  went  through..  it  was  out  of  sheer  ignorance..  when  they  said  ignorance  is  bliss,  i  guess  they  didnt  mean  my  ignorance  is  bliss  for  the  fish  :S...
 and  again  im  sorry  for  such  a  convoluted  post..  Sad   i  really  had  to  get  all  that  out  of  my  mind
 
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 12, 2008 11:27 am Post subject: Re: From "sick"lid to cichlid.. confessions of a n Reply with quote

 1.  6-8  juveniles  to  begin  with.  You  will  have  to  give  away  a  few  when  they  start  pairing  up.
 2.  No.  Plecos  will  be  tempted  to  eat  the  slime  on  the  angels.  
 3.  small  tetras.  I  will  suggest  neons,  cardinals  etc.
 4.  I  will  suggest  a  good  external  filter.  If  u  r  going  to  add  this  filter,  an  additional  sponge  filter  will  be  better.  lph  =  liter  per  hour.
 5.  Not  sure,  but  a  lot  of  us  are  on  the  same  boat   Chuckle
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 12, 2008 12:02 pm Post subject: Re: From "sick"lid to cichlid.. confessions of a n Reply with quote

 so  apart  from  my  two  sponge  filters,  i  need  to  get  one  more  if  i  buy  the  internal  filter,  so  ill  have  three  sponge  filters  and  one  internal  filter,  is  that  right?  well  looks  like  filters  are  going  to  be  the  only  decor  in  my  tank  Unsure
 ok  tetras..  hmm..  was  wondering  if  i  could  make  this  a  cichlid  only  tank...  is  it  possible  with  this  size  of  a  tank  or  is  it  too  small  to  even  think  about  it..  and  if  it  IS  possible,  then  what  cichlids  are  advisable...   and  no,  i  swear  im  not  thinking  about  oscars  or  flowerhorns..   Very Happy
 at  the  risk  of  counting  my  chicken  before  they  hatch,  if  the  angels  pair  up,  should  i  add  anything  to  the  tank  to  encourage  them  to  spawn...
 thanks  for  the  immediate  reply!
   
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 12, 2008 1:03 pm Post subject: Re: From "sick"lid to cichlid.. confessions of a n Reply with quote

                                                   
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 1.  what  would  be  a  good  number  of  angels  to  put  in  such  a  tank(  comes  close  to  50  gallons  i  presume)?  i  was  thinking  12  but  i  still  want  to  completely  be  sure  of  what  i  am  doing.                

 
 12  is  too  much,  keep  6-8  juviniles,  let  them  grow  and  pair  up,  when  they  pair  up,  it  will  be  a  bloodbath,  so  get  ready  for  it.
 
 
                                                 
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 2.  is  adding  a  pleco  to  the  tank  a  good  idea?                

 Not  really  required,  further  when  angel  start  to  lay  eggs  pleco  will  eat  them
 
 
                                                 
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 3.  can  i  add  any  other  fish  to  the  tank  along  with  the  angels?                

 IMO  angels  look  best  when  they  have  a  tank  of  their  own,  however  avoid  small  fish,  I  have  seen  neon  tetra's  being  eaten  in  5  minutes  flat
 
                                                 
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 4.  astro  500F  was  the  internal  filter  the  lfs  guy  advised  me  to  buy  .  should  i  go  for  it?  i  did  some  checking  on  the  net  and  i  found  that  it  turns  out  a  maximum  of  500  l/hr..  i  presume  it  means  liters  per  hour.(?).                

 Filter  might  be  okay.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 12, 2008 2:04 pm Post subject: Re: From "sick"lid to cichlid.. confessions of a n Reply with quote

 1-Fully  agree  with  Sriram  and  Sandeep,  I  would  say  2  fully  grown  pairs  can  be  accomodated  in  that  tank  size  as  they  are  territorial.  I  remember  someone  having  a  dozen  angels  in  a  4x2x2  tank,  later  all  of  them  were  killed  except  for  4  which  lived  in  that  same  tank  for  8  years.
 2-Same  as  above,  instead  of  plecos  other  small  algae  eating  catfishes(Ottos,  bristlenoses,  etc)  can  be  used,  but  they  are  rare  and  expensive.
 3-Yes  you  can,  but  guppies,  neons  and  similar  sized  fishes  keep  disappearing  in  an  angel  tank.  Avoid  nippy  tetras  like  serpaes,  buenos  aires,  etc.  You  can  go  for  a  school  of  school  of  hocky  sticks  tetras,  lemon  tetras,  even  phantoms  and  rainbowfishes.  
 In  cichlids,  Ramirezis  and  Kribs  can  be  added,  both  are  attractive,  easy  to  keep  and  commonly  available  nowadays.
 4-More  than  power  of  a  filter,  the  quantity  or  size  of   filtration  media  is  important.  If  your  budget  permits  go  for  a  canister  else,  a  couple  of  top/internal  filters  with  various  media  will  do.
 5-God  forgives  something  done  out  of  sheer  ignorance.  
 
 Good  to  know  that  you  are  aware  of  what  you  were  doing  and  what  is  right  and  goodluck  with  your  new  tank.
 Happy  Fishkeeping!


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PostPosted: Fri Dec 12, 2008 2:06 pm Post subject: Re: From "sick"lid to cichlid.. confessions of a n Reply with quote

 Invest  on  a  good  HOB  or  canister  filter.  you  wont  regret  it  in  the  long  run.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 12, 2008 2:32 pm Post subject: Re: From "sick"lid to cichlid.. confessions of a n Reply with quote

                                                   
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 1.  what  would  be  a  good  number  of  angels  to  put  in  such  a  tank(  comes  close  to  50  gallons  i  presume)?  i  was  thinking  12  but  i  still  want  to  completely  be  sure  of  what  i  am  doing.                

 
 3  PAIRS  is  more  than  enough..  If  I  was  to  keep  i  will  Go  For  4  Angels(2  PAIRS)..(  I  HAVE  only  1PAIR  in  30  G  tank  Chuckle  )
 
 
                                                 
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 3.  can  i  add  any  other  fish  to  the  tank  along  with  the  angels?.                

 
 IMO   RAMS  are  best  companions  for  ANGELS.  Tetra  is  not  a  good  idea.Well  grown  Angel  will  surely  eat  tetras...  
 
 
                                                 
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 5.  Will  god  forgive  me  for  whatever  i  did  before  i  chanced  upon  IAH?                

 
 "To  err  is  human,  to  forgive  divine"   Smile   I  will  surely  pray  for  you...  Cheer
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 12, 2008 2:35 pm Post subject: Re: From "sick"lid to cichlid.. confessions of a n Reply with quote

 As  all  said,  I  will  also  suggest  6-8  juveniles  to  start  with.  If  you  don't  intend  to  breed  angels,  then  when  they  will  pair  up,  remove  the  pair.  Otherwise  as  Sandeep  said,  there  will  be  Blood  (I  am  facing  it  Mad  ).  
 If  you  are  looking  for  only  cichlids  to  keep  with  the  angels,  then  go  for  Rams.  My  all  time  sweetheart  they  are.
 
 And  if  you  want  to  take  out  the  the  real  beauty  of  an  angel  tank,  then  do  not  mix  more  than  2  species  of  angels.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 12, 2008 2:38 pm Post subject: Re: From "sick"lid to cichlid.. confessions of a n Reply with quote

 I  meant  only  one  sponge  filter  along  with  the  internal  filter  not  3.  
 Although,  I  have  successfully  kept  angels  and  neons  together,  it  is  still  possible  for  them  to  fall  prey  (due  to  the  size)  so  follow  Sandeep's  advice  and  avoid  adding  those.
 If  you  want  more  cichlids  go  for  rams.  They  are  good  addition  and  will  do  fine,  but  nothing  like  species  tank  since  they  will  be  able  to  display  their  best  characteristics   Thumb Up.
 I  hope  you  have  an  excellent  time  watching  them  grow  and  thrive   Smile.
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 I  think  angels  in  a  planted  tank,  even  if  it  is  vallisneria  looks  best,  as  others  have  pointed  out  start  with  6  juveniles  and  see  how  they  get  along.If  you  want  to  add   to  your  3  survivors   then  get  angels  the  same  size  as  they  are.Rams  and  Kribs  will  be  good  with  them  and  are  bottom  dwelling,  you  could  have  neon  tetras  as  well.  In  my  opinion  fast  moving  fish  like  rainbows  distract  from  the  slowly  swimming  graceful  look  of  the  angels
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 13, 2008 11:48 am Post subject: Re: From "sick"lid to cichlid.. confessions of a n Reply with quote

                                                   
elaine  wrote  (View  Post):                
I  think  angels  in  a  planted  tank,  even  if  it  is  vallisneria  looks  best,                

 Totally  agree  with  you  elaine.  Very Happy  
 Check  this  out  http://indianaquariumhobbyist.com/community/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=3725&highlight=angelfish
 
 The  pictures  are  horrible  Chuckle  ,  tank  looked  much  nicer
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 13, 2008 10:49 pm Post subject: Re: From "sick"lid to cichlid.. confessions of a n Reply with quote

 angels  +ramirezi+black  or  red  phantoms+golden  algae  eater+a  beautiful  betta=really  good  combo  for  a  planted  tank,
 you  can  add  neons  at  your  own  risk,they  survived  in  my  tank  along  with  angels  as  well  as  goldfish,
 you  can  add  or  remove  fish  depending  on  what  works  for  you  and  checking  out  what  has  worked  for  others,
 in  my  opinion  a  planted  tank  with  just  one  species  of  angels  like  velvet  blacks  or  petrophyllum  altum  will  indeed  look  great.
 happy  fish  keeping
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 14, 2008 1:01 am Post subject: Re: From "sick"lid to cichlid.. confessions of a n Reply with quote

 tetras  are  natural  diet  of  angels........so  they'll  definitely  eat  them  once  they  grow  up  provided  there  is  no  cover  for  the  poor  tetras(i  mean  neons,  cardinals,  phantoms  etc).
 Serpae  Tetras  however  will  turn  the  tide  in  a  few  days.  so  never  keep  that  fish.  
 infact  the  idea  of  having  a  pure  vallisneria  aquarium  with  Angels  is  a  nice.  and  if  the  Angels  are  the  ones  with  more  white  in  their  body  then  trust  me  it  is  going  to  be  the  best  setup  with  Green  vallisneria  in  the  background  and  white  Angels  swimming  in  front  of  it  (IMAGINE).  and  the  plants  will  also  prove  nice  for  the  territory  marking.(a  few  big  rocks  will  add  to  the  look  as  well  as  will  define  territory)
 
 and  do  not  put  other  fish  in  the  aquarium.  i  feel  that  it  will  take  the  elegance  out  of  the  aquarium.  it  will  be  like  keeping  mbuna  cichlids  with  frontosas....the  elegance  will  be  lost(i  mean  no  disrespect  to  mbunas,  they  look  great  but  in  an  entire  dedicated  setup  of  their  own).
 
 similar  type  of  angels  is  prefered  otherwise  it  will  look  like  a  potpourri......
 
          Thumbs Up  imagine  big  white  angels  against  a  Lush  green  backdrop  of  valllisneria  Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 16, 2008 5:14 pm Post subject: Re: From "sick"lid to cichlid.. confessions of a n Reply with quote

 ok  heres  an  update...  i  bought  3  more  angels  of  the  same  size...   and  have  a  sponge  filter  and  the  internal  filter...  the  fishes  seem  to  be  happy..  and  have  decided  to  keep  it  as  an  angel  only  tank   Smile  
 thanks  a  lot  Thumb Up  ...  but  cant  add  vallisneria  because  i  have  a  lot  tech  non  planted  tank  and  i  know  i  cant  do  justice  to  a  planted  tank...  so  will  see  if  i  can  get  any  similar  looking  artificial  plants..  
 thanks  again...
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 16, 2008 7:09 pm Post subject: Re: From "sick"lid to cichlid.. confessions of a n Reply with quote

 You  don't  have  to  do  anything  for  a   vallisnaeria  jungle,  just  plant  it  and  it  will  grow.  Smile   All  you  have  to  do  it  throw  a  lot  of  it  out  now  and  then  otherwise  it  will  fill  your  tank.If  you  are  worried  about  it  plant  a  little  of  it  in  a  pot  and  try  it  out  ,  I'm  sure  you  will  be  delighted
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