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PostPosted: Sun Dec 28, 2008 8:18 pm Post subject: Re: Suggest me a P&S Digital Camera. Reply with quote

                                                   
DevilishTerror  wrote  (View  Post):                
@  Suraj
 swapping  lenses,  scores  of  accessories                  

 
 Both  of  which  takes  the  cost  well  above  the  initial   budget   Sad  
 To  buy  DSLR  lenses  {Singular  or  pleural  }  of  a  comparable  zoom  range  as  that  of  a  good  super  zoom  you  will  need  to  invest  a  serious  amount  of  money.
 So  if  you  don't  plan  to  invest  more  on  your  camera  it  would  be  better  to  stick  with  a  P&S  or  a  Superzoom.
 
 But  I  agree  that  the  option  of  having  a  base  system  that  you  can  expand  as  and  when  needed  is  an  attractive  option.
 
 Personally  I  changed  from  two  film  SLRs  to  a  Sony  DSC  H1  three  years  back,  haven't  regretted  it  at  all.  Trevor,  Hayath,  Suraj  etc  etc  all  seem  to  be  using  fixed  lens  cameras  still  :)
 
 
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 28, 2008 8:31 pm Post subject: Re: Suggest me a P&S Digital Camera. Reply with quote

                                                   
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 To  buy  DSLR  lenses  {Singular  or  pleural  }  of  a  comparable  zoom  range  as  that  of  a  good  super  zoom  you  will  need  to  invest  a  serious  amount  of  money.
 
               

 
 I  get  your  point  Unni,  
 But  not  all  lenses  are  expensive,  The  Sigma  70-300mmf/4-5.6  Macro  APO  DG  (for  Canon  and  Nikon  mounts  only)  is  available  for  Rs7500  and  is  even  cheaper  in  the  grey  market.  Now  that  lens  has  some  serious  zoom  capabilities  and  surpasses  the  zoom  coverage  of  all  bridge  cameras.  And  if  you  want  an  inexpensive  and  awesome  prime  lens,  look  no  further  than  the  Canon  EF  50mm  f/1.8  II  which  is  available  for  Rs  5k.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 28, 2008 8:32 pm Post subject: Re: Suggest me a P&S Digital Camera. Reply with quote

 I  hope  it's  ok  to  discuss  camera  and  lens  prices  in  the  forum.
 If  not  then  the  mods  can  edit/delete  my  posts  Smile
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 28, 2008 9:08 pm Post subject: Re: Suggest me a P&S Digital Camera. Reply with quote

 One  more  thing  to  consider  while  looking  at  the  purchase  is  Macro  setting
 
 Macro  is  a  feature  of  the  lens  and  not  the  body  alone.  If  you  want  to  take  fishy  closeups  you  will  need  Macro
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 28, 2008 10:09 pm Post subject: Re: Suggest me a P&S Digital Camera. Reply with quote

 Yeah,  and  the  Sigma  lens  that  I've  mentioned  in  my  earlier  post  isn't  a  true  macro.  It's  a  1:2  macro.
 I  guess  the  cheapest  macro  lens  available  costs  around  Rs  20k  Sad
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 29, 2008 11:00 am Post subject: Re: Suggest me a P&S Digital Camera. Reply with quote

 Hi  DevilishTerror,
 
 Was  planning  on  getting  the  a200  myself,  and  then  some  months  down  the  lane  get  the  sigma  lense  you  mentioned,  i  was  reading  over  the  net  that  it  is  compatible  with  the  Sony(minolta)  mount  also,  may  be  getting  it  in  India  might  be  a  problem  as  very  few  people  go  for  the  sony  line  of  DSLRs.Will  have  to  check  that  out,  I  am  in  no  hurry  now  and  will  take  a  final  decision  only  after  giving  all  aspects  a  through  thought.
 
 I  also  checked  out  the  Nikon  D40/D60,  but  it  has  no  built  in  IS  and  also  is  not  compatible  with  most  of  the  lenses  in  the  auto  focus  mode,  and  the  nikkor  line  of  compatible  lenses  is  also  damn  expensive.
 
 the  canon  1000d  is  also  a  good  option,  but  again  their  is  no  inbody  IS,is  a  bit  expensive  but  shows  good  results  at  high  ISO  and  has  DOF  option  and  live  view  in  manual  mode(absent  in  a200),  but  read  on  the  net  that  it  has  a  slight  auto  focus  problems.
 
 I  am  still  open  to  the  high  end  Super  zoom  cameras,  still  havent  been  able  to  make  my  mind,but  if  the  sigma  lens  is  compatible  with  the  a200  i  will  go  for  it.
 
 lets  see..
 
 thanks,
 
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 29, 2008 11:05 am Post subject: Re: Suggest me a P&S Digital Camera. Reply with quote

 The  Jan/2009  issue  of  Better  Photography  mag  has  an  article  "A  smart  guide  to  buying  your  first  digital  camera"...  hope  it  helps...  I  didn't  go  thru  it  yet,  though.
 
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 29, 2008 3:37 pm Post subject: Re: Suggest me a P&S Digital Camera. Reply with quote

                                                   
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 the  canon  1000d  is  also  a  good  option,  but  again  their  is  no  inbody  IS
                 

 
 FYI,  it  has  been  proven  that  having  IS  in  the  lens  is  better  than  In  body  IS.  The  1000D  mostly  comes  with  a  stabilised  kit  lens  anyway.  
 
 Oh  and  by  the  way,  IS  is  no  substitute  for  a  tripod  in  low  light  conditions.
 
 
 
                                                 
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but  read  on  the  net  that  it  has  a  slight  auto  focus  problems.                

 
 That  is  so  not  true.  I  own  one  and  the  autofocus  works  brilliantly!
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 29, 2008 4:05 pm Post subject: Re: Suggest me a P&S Digital Camera. Reply with quote

 Hi  Devilishterror,
 
 Could  you  please  PM  me  the  rate  and  from  where  you  bought  the  Canon,hows  your  experiences  with  it,  the  problem  with  lens  based  IS  is  you  have  to  buy  IS  lenses  if  you  are  going  for  the  long  ranges  and  those  are  quite  expensive.
 
 I  read  a  thread  in  dpreview  where  they  discussed  about  the  autofocus  problems  in  certain  situations,and  this  was  attributed  to  the  camera  and  not  the  lenses  used.
 
 I  dont  mind  going  for  the  canon  either  as  it  definitely  gives  better  quality  images(from  the  reviews  read)  has  live  view,  only  drawback  being  lens  based  IS.
 
 But  the  added  advantage  of  a  canon  is  easy  availability  of  lenses  when  required.
 
 thanks,
 
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 For  fish  photography,  just  buy  the  basic  Canon  350D  or  400D,  with  a  18-55IS  lens  or  50mm  lens.  Should  be  really  cheap.  You  could  also  look  for  someone  disposing  of  their  350  or  400Ds...  The  macro  lens  by  Tamron  is  pretty  good  and  cheap.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 29, 2008 4:34 pm Post subject: Re: Suggest me a P&S Digital Camera. Reply with quote

 Hi  Omprakash,
 
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 Since  the  OP  asked  for  a  "simple  to  use,P&S  camera,  to  be  used  for  general/regular  purposes."  --  I  assume  it  is  not  specifically  meant  for  aquarium/fish  photography.  However,  for  the  OP's  20k  budget,  a  DSLR  is  worth  considering.  A  DSLR  can  be  used  as  a  P&S  if  needed,  though  a  rather  bulky  one.
 
 Most  of  the  currently  available  P&S  cameras  from  reputed  brands  are  good  enough,  selection  needs  to  be  based  on  which  features  are  most  important  to  the  buyer.  I  believe  the  common  trend  is  towards  getting  the  maximum  zoom  possible  --  Canon,  Panasonic  and  Olympus  have  some  good  digital  compacts  to  that  end.  Image  stabilization,  EVF,  aux  flash  hotshoe,  RAW  capability,  weather  sealing,  noise  performance  may  be  examples  of  other  aspects  worth  looking  into.  For  myself  I  wanted  a  convenient  to  carry  alternative  (to  my  DSLR  bodies  and  lenses)  that  has  outstanding  low-light  performance  (low  noise),  so  we  picked  up  the  Fuji  F30.  Bottomline  --  your  priorities  determine  which  P&S  is  best  for  you,  and  even  then  no  single  P&S  may  have  all  the  features  you  might  ask  for.  
 
 A  DSLR  and  a  digital  P&S  serve  very  different  purposes.  Aside  from  DSLR's  flexibility  of  optical  VF  and  interchangeable  lenses  (also  generally  of  better  quality  in  terms  of  distrotion/color  fringing/aberrations),  there  is  not  much  practical  advantage  in  getting  a  DSLR  if  all  you  would  be  doing  are  posting  photos  on  the  web  and  making  4"x6"  prints  --  in  that  case  just  go  with  a  P&S  that  has  a  lens  covering  the  needed  AoV  for  the  kind  of  shots  you  want  to  take.
 
 The  real  difference  in  image  quality  between  a  DSLR  and  P&S  *with  a  small  sensor*  becomes  more  apparent  at  larger  repro  sizes.  I  can  make  13"x19"  archival  prints  from  the  best  output  possible  from  the  D70,  and  from  the  D200  I  have  made  20"x30"  posters  while  I  doubt  I  ever  could  go  beyond  8"x10"  from  the  F30  at  it's  lowest  ISO  even  in  the  best  light.
 
 What  all  these  allude  to  is  --  you  need  to  ask  yourself  these  questions  first
 
 1)  What  do  I  want  to  shoot?
 2)  How  big  do  I  want  to  print  and  how  important  to  me  are  the  quality  of  those  prints?
 
 If  answer  to  1)  is  anything  like  "I'm  not  sure  --  could  be  anything"  and/or  answer  to  2)  is  anything  similar  to  "surely  bigger  than  8"x10"  and  quality  is  very  important  to  me"  --  then  just  go  ahead  and  get  a  DSLR  --  you  need  one.  
 
 And  if  the  answers  are  something  else,  you  need  to  come  up  with  those  answers  first  before  anyone  can  make  any  useful  suggestions.
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