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Lancelot  wrote:                
Suby,
 
 if  you  have  any  cichlids,  you  are  begging  (not  asking)  for  trouble.    They  are  messy  eaters  who  nature  designed  as  messy  (repeat,  messy)  eaters  and  you  need  a  powerful  filter.
 
 for  most  non-cichlids  (if  not  all),  a  spong  filter  is  the  way  to  go...
 
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 Lance,
 Not  all  cichlids  are  messy,  but  only  a  few.    And  to  be  precise  even  an  oscar  is  not  as  messy  as  a  gold  fish.    There  are  many  cichlids  that  are  one  of  the  cleanest.    All  my  tanks  are  running  with  one  or  a  couple  sponge  filters  for  years  w/o  any  problem.    More  than  the  type  of  fish  it  primarily  depends  upon  the  hobbyist.    You  overfeed  tetras,  even  they  become  messy.
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 Not  all  cichlids  are  messy,  but  only  a  few.    And  to  be  precise  even  an  oscar  is  not  as  messy  as  a  gold  fish.    There  are  many  cichlids  that  are  one  of  the  cleanest.    All  my  tanks  are  running  with  one  or  a  couple  sponge  filters  for  years  w/o  any  problem.                  

 
 agreed,  but  the  few  cichlids  that  you  mention  are  the  most  common  ones  here  (oscar,  flowerhorn,  texas,  etc)
 
   
                                                 
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More  than  the  type  of  fish  it  primarily  depends  upon  the  hobbyist.    You  overfeed  tetras,  even  they  become  messy.                

 
 again,  agreed.    but  honestly,  if  you  overfeed,  then  food  would  could  up  the  water  and  wreck  your  water  parameters  more  than  any  mess  created  by  any  fish  be  it  a  tetra  or  a  cichlid.
 
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Lancelot  wrote:                
agreed,  but  the  few  cichlids  that  you  mention  are  the  most  common  ones  here  (oscar,  flowerhorn,  texas,  etc)
                 

 Again  an  oscar  or  a  texas  is  not  as  messy  as  gold  fish  which  are  even  more  common.    Most  of  the  beginner  fish  are  messy  than  most  common  cichlids.
 
 
                                                 
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 again,  agreed.    but  honestly,  if  you  overfeed,  then  food  would  could  up  the  water  and  wreck  your  water  parameters  more  than  any  mess  created  by  any  fish  be  it  a  tetra  or  a  cichlid.
 lance                

 I  didn't  mean  about  the  food  that  stays  &  rots.    I  meant  about  the  food  consumed.
 More  food  consumed  =  more  excreted.
 So  a  well  fed  fish  is  of  course  messy  no  matter  what  species  it  is.
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 Ok  guys  (Madhu,  Lance  et  al)
 Clarify  this  to  me  -  What  exactly  is  a  Sponge  filter  ?
 Right  now  I  have  two  'filters'  running  in  my  tank
 1)  Called  a  box-filter/corner-filter  -  this  is  powered  by  an  air  pump
 2)  This  has  it's  sponge  surface  completely  exposed  to  the  water,  and  has  a  pipe  running  right  into  the  middle  of  it  -  It's  through  this  piple  that  the  air  inlet  pipe  goes  in  -  and  where  the  bubble  come  out  too.
 
 So,  guys  -  do  I  already  have  a  Sponge  filter,  or  is  that  something  different  ?
 
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 Suby  you  already  have  a  sponge  filter.
 
 Now  coming  to  the  other  question  of  your  and  your  relative'stank.
 
 She  has  10  fish  in  a  10  gallon  tank.
 You  have  10  fish  in  a  6  gallon  tank.
 Which  tank  has  a  higher  bio-load?
 
 We  havenot  even  started  discusiing  the  kind  of  fish  in  both  tanks  yet.  :lol:
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 Madan  Bhai,  I  get  your  point    :lol:  
 But,  tell  me  -  shouldn't  a  decent  filter  take  care  of  this  added  bioload  ?
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 Suby  to  keep  tank  clean  I  would  prefer  you  go  for  an  Extrernal  filter  or  a  sponge  filter.  I  have  also  seen  a  Internal  power  filter  that  is  built  specially  for  small  tanks.  So  in  case  you  are  free  this  weekend  just  drop  in  to  my  place  and  I  will  help  you  decide  on  the  best.
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 Madan  Bhai,  I  get  your  point    
 But,  tell  me  -  shouldn't  a  decent  filter  take  care  of  this  added  bioload  ?

 
 hello  Suby7272,
 IMHO  a  filter  does  its  job  by  cirulating  the  water  through  it  filtering  the  debris  in  its  sponge  compartment  and  letting  out  clean  water  hence  oxygenating  the  water....so  if  you  have  more  fishes  the  more  the  Edit  they  produce  and  the  more  the  work  the  filter  is  put  into,  this  way  the  filter  accumulates  more  Edit  in  a  less  period  of  time  and  gets  clogged  and  practically  stops  serving  the  purpose  it  is  supposed  to  do,  i  have  observed  this  in  my  tank,  so  regular  cleaning  of  the  filter  is  required....as  far  as  having  crystal  clear  water  is  concerned  you  should  be  answering  the  question  "We  havenot  even  started  discusiing  the  kind  of  fish  in  both  tanks  yet"  asked  by  Mr  Madan,  this  again  relates  to  the  type  of  fish,you  feeding  schedule  and  type  of  food,waste  produced  etc  etc.....  Very Happy
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 Hi  Oscar-Lover  /  Madan
 
 Here  is  my  fishlist
 3  Cichlids  (P.  Salousies  /  Bluemorph)  -  2"  each
 3  Scatophagus  -  5cm  in  dia
 5  Loach  (Clown  and  Zebra)
 
 I  feed  -
 Pellets  twice  a  day
 1  Tubifex  cube  once  a  day
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 Suby  a  6  Gallon  tank  with  all  these  is  horribly  overstocked.
 
 The  feeding  regime  too  is  very  high  for  a  water  volume  of  6  gallon  to  handle.
 
 You  can  add  all  the  filteration  you  want  and  you  still  will  not  have  "clear"  water  until  all  of  the  above  is  rectified.  Forget  about  "Crystal  Clear"  water.
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So,  guys  -  do  I  already  have  a  Sponge  filter,  or  is  that  something  different  ?                  

 
 Suby,
                   If  you  have  difficulty  identifying  the  type  of  filter,  you  must  read  more  about  the  different  types  available.  
 Here  is  the  link  to  one  of  those  websites  trying  to  sell  aquarium  accesories  online.  You  can  view  the  products  to  see  how  they  look.
 
 http://www.aquaticsbykr.com/images/filters/spongehow.html
 
 http://www.aquaticsbykr.com/filters.htm
 
 http://www.aquaticeco.com/index.cfm/fuseaction/listings.subsections/sid/30
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Hi  Oscar-Lover  /  Madan
 
 Here  is  my  fishlist
 3  Cichlids  (P.  Salousies  /  Bluemorph)  -  2"  each
 3  Scatophagus  -  5cm  in  dia
 5  Loach  (Clown  and  Zebra)
 
 I  feed  -
 Pellets  twice  a  day
 1  Tubifex  cube  once  a  day                

 
 You  need  a  bare  minimum  of  55  gal  tank  for  the  stock.    And  scatophagus  is  a  brackish  water  fish  and  wont  survive  in  fresh  water  for  long.
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 Thanks  Silveraro  -  those  links  were  very  informative.
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 i  agree  with  Mr  Madan  and  Madhu,  Scats  being  brackish  as  madhu  mentioned  wont  look  good  with  the  P.  Salousies  /  Bluemorph  that  you  have  IMHO    Very Happy  ,  try  going  for  a  55  gallon  tank  and  add  some  more  africans  removing  the  scats....think  by  now  you  would  have  got  you  anwser
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oscar-lover  wrote:                
....Scats  being  brackish  as  madhu  mentioned  wont  look  good  with  the  P.  Salousies  /  Bluemorph  that  you  have  IMHO    Very Happy  ,  ...    removing  the  scats....                

 Well  oscar-lover,  my  other  fish  look  better  because  of  my  Scats  IMHO  Very Happy
 I  call  them  "poor  man's  Discus"    :lol:  
 Yes,  I  know  they  are  brackish  -  but  (touchwood)  they  have  so  far  been  doing  pretty  well  in  my  tank  -  and  are  the  most  active  (as  much  as  my  P.Salousies)
 Well,  I  humbly  accept  the  fact  that  my  tank  is  'horribly'  overstocked  -  but  I  guess  it's  common  with  all  newbies  to  get  themselves  all  the  fish  that  their  purse  can  afford  -  I  guess  I  was  no  exception  either    Sad  
 Anyway,  I  am  finally  planning  to  go  big  -  may  be  a  5'  or  6'  wide  aquarium.  Not  decided  yet  about  the  height  and  width.  What  do  you  guys  suggest  ?  AND,  how  big  a  hole  would  that  burn  in  my  pocket  (just  the  tank  alone)  ?  Please  tell  me  that  too.
 
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