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PostPosted: Sun Mar 15, 2009 11:14 pm Post subject: Re: Any alternative to the useless Microsol B ? Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 16, 2009 7:32 am Post subject: Re: Any alternative to the useless Microsol B ? Reply with quote

 All  Ok  even  now.  
 I  have  recruited  two  of  our  oldest  planted  tank  hobbyists  in  Bangalore,  Uttam  and  Suhailur  Rehman.  Both  dropped  in  at  home  yesterday  evening.
 They  will  be  trying  out  the  Fulvic  acid  dosing  in  their  tanks  over  the  next  6  weeks.
 
 My  new  substrate  is  cooking.  Very Happy
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 16, 2009 8:14 am Post subject: Re: Fulvic Acid - alternative to the useless Microsol B ? Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 16, 2009 8:28 am Post subject: Re: Fulvic Acid Chelates - alternative to useless Microsol B Reply with quote

 Vnet  have  a  plant  foliar  application  product  that  is  all  organic  called  Pratham.  They  also  have  a  seaweed  extract  with  amino  acids.
 These  two  come  in  small  40  gms  packages  and  for  spraying  on  garden  plants.  These  products  have  no  micronutrients  in  them  however.  You  can  check  what  are  the  ingredients  of  this  product  and  experiment.
 
 Vnet  has  one  very  helpful  guy  in  Mr  Dharmendra  V  Patel,  his  contact  is  on  the  website.  They  are  located  at  V  V  Nagar,  Gujarat.
 
 Rupak,  you  can  have  a  word  with  them  since  they  are  in  Gujarat.  Mr.  Patel  told  me  that  they  do  have  a  micronutrient  mix  too.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 17, 2009 9:19 pm Post subject: Re: Fulvic Acid Chelates - alternative to useless Microsol B Reply with quote

 I'm   new  to  adding  fertilizers  to  my  planted  tank  and  I  was  disappointed  to  see  the  quality  of  Microsol  B  going  down  like  this.
 
 I  was  browsing  through  the  net  and  saw  this  product.  It  might  be  not  an  exact  replacement  but  seems  good.  I  know  importing  makes  it  a  little  difficult  and  expensive,  but  they  seem  to  have  some  kind  of  'discounted'  price  for  people  outside  the  US.  Here  are  some  links  I  wanted  to  share  with  you.
 
 http://www.yamatogreen.com/products.htm
 
 http://www.yamatogreen.com/reviews.htm
 
 http://www.yamatogreen.com/techspecs.htm
 
 Here's  some  discussion  on  it.  I'm  not  techinically  that  clear  about  this  fertilizer  compositions  and  their  working.,  but  here's  the  link  anyways  :)
 
 http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/general-planted-tank-discussion/45348-yamato-green-4.html
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 17, 2009 11:21 pm Post subject: Re: Fulvic Acid Chelates - alternative to useless Microsol B Reply with quote

 Tropica  Master  Grow  is  specially  formulated  for  planted  aquaria.  TMG  adds  only  micronutrients  to  a  planted  aquaria.
 The  percentage  composition  of  micronutrients  in  TMG  is  given  on  the  bottle  label  and  also  on  their  website.
 
 As  long  as  you  can  make  a  chelated  micronutrient  mixture  with  close  to  /  same  %ages  as  TMG  you  would  be  alright.  Chelated  Fe  is  important,  chelating  other  elements  does  help.
 
 Other  ratios  and  content  %ages  may  not  work  for  planted  aquaria  as  these  micronutrient  levels  are  focused  for  terrestrial  plants.
 
 Microsol  B  was  good  while  it  has  lasted.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 18, 2009 8:41 am Post subject: Re: Fulvic Acid Chelates - alternative to useless Microsol B Reply with quote

 Thanks  Madan,
 
 will  check  their  website  and  also  speak  with  Mr.Patel   Smile  
 
 would  request  you  to  pls  keep  this  tread  going  with  regular  updates
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 18, 2009 8:59 am Post subject: Re: Fulvic Acid Chelates - alternative to useless Microsol B Reply with quote

 I  made  a  concoction  of  Fulvic  acid  and  Ferrous,  copper,  zinc,  manganese  sulphates.  Also  added  Mo  and  B  to  it.
 Have  been  dosing  this  for  a  few  days  to  my  tank.  No  side  effects  I  can  see.
 Too  early  to  tell  anything.
 
 There  are  all  kinds  of  Amino  acids,  Brassinolides  etc.,  available,  but  they  are  more  oriented  towards  flowering  and  fruiting.
 Not  much  help  in  an  aquatic  environment  where  WE  look  for  vegetative  ie.,  leaf  growth.
 
 I  will  be  making  a  micronutrient  mix  with  Fulvic  acid  and  lab  grade  chemicals.  I  will  be  using  Ferrous  sulphate  heptahydrate.  Ferrous  sulphate  costs  6  times  more  than  Ferric  sulphate  and  if  not  chelated  fast  enough  it  will  be  converted  to  Ferric  sulphate  when  exposed  to  air  for  a  period  of  time.  So  I  cannot  ship  it  around.  In  case  some  one  is  willing  to  help  try  out  my  brew,  let  me  know  in  advance,  so  I  can  mix  enough  at  one  stretch.  You'll  only  get  the  dissolved  micronutrient  solution.  This  weekend  is  mixing  day.  I'll  ask  Dinesh  to  get  the  weighing  scale.
 Limited  to  Bangalore  guys  only  as  I  cannot  send  liquid  across  by  courier.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 21, 2009 8:34 pm Post subject: Re: Fulvic Acid Chelates - alternative to useless Microsol B Reply with quote

 Today's  update:
 
 Dinesh  got  me  the  super  sensitive  electronic  weighing  scale.
 
 Tomorrow  is  mixing  time.  
 
 I  now  read  that  Ferrous  sulphate  added  to  Fulvic/Humic  acid  will  give  out  heat  and  the  substance  will  "grow"  as  chelation  occurs.  This  heat  generation  was  for  Fulvic/Humic  acid  derived  using  citric  acid,  then  evaporating  all  the  citric  acid,  to  leave  behind  powdered  form.
 
 I  hope  no  such  thing  happens  tomorrow.  I  am  happy  with  chelation  in  solutions.  Very Happy  
 
 Will  update  tomorrow.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 22, 2009 1:00 pm Post subject: Re: Fulvic Acid Chelates - alternative to useless Microsol B Reply with quote

 All  that  I  read  did  happen,  when  Ferrous  sulphate  and  other  lab  grade  chemicals  were  added  to  Fulvic  acid  powder,  the  substance  chelated  in  the  dry  state  true  to  form  and  became  a  lump,  there  was  no  detectable  rise  in  temparature.  1  hour  is  the  time  required  for  chelation  in  the  dry  state.  Now  this  has  to  be  repowdered  as  it  has  formed  lumps.
 
 Only  Boric  acid  did  not  form  a  Boron  chelate,  so  the  powder  is  coated  white.  I  am  giving  it  somemore  time.  Then  powder  everything  again  in  a  blender.
 
 I  just  mixed  enough  to  make  1  liter  of  PMDD,  and  now  I  am  looking  at  filling  this  in  small  quantities  into  capsules  so  that  small  amounts  of  PMDD  can  be  made  easily  by  dissolving  say  a  few  capsules  in  100  ml  water  or  so.  The  next  time  around   I  will  make  the  chelates  without  Boric  acid  and  add  a  bit  of  boron  while  making  the  solution.
 
 I  will  update  this  thread  once  I  make  the  capsules.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 22, 2009 6:42 pm Post subject: Re: Fulvic Acid Chelates - alternative to useless Microsol B Reply with quote

 Congratulations.  :)
 
 I  think  if  you  try  Boron  in  the  form  of  sodium  octaborate  tetrahydrate,  you  will  get  it  to  chelate.  Then  I  don't  know  where  you  get  it,  but  then  you  are  resourceful.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 22, 2009 6:59 pm Post subject: Re: Fulvic Acid Chelates - alternative to useless Microsol B Reply with quote

 I  have  Sodium  octoborate  tetrahydrate  with  me,  bought  it  years  ago  to  avoid  the  white  Boric  acid  powder  that  sits  at  the  bottom  with  PMDD,  I  just  can't  find  it.  It  might  have  got  thrown  out  when  I  cleared  some  old  stuff  a  few  years  ago.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 23, 2009 10:00 am Post subject: Re: Fulvic Acid Chelates - alternative to useless Microsol B Reply with quote

 This  thread  is  kind  of  going  bonkers  !
 I  keep  reading  it  just  to  see  an  'eureka'  at  the  end  Smile
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 23, 2009 10:58 am Post subject: Re: Fulvic Acid Chelates - alternative to useless Microsol B Reply with quote

 I  will  not  make  any  claims  until  I  have  used  this  in  my  tanks  for  atleast  6  months.  I  will  only  detail  what  procedure  I  follow  in  this  thread  !  Chuckle  
 There  will  be  a  few  more  people  who  will  be  trying  out  this  stuff  along  with  me.  I  hope  they  just  don't  do  lip  service  !  Chuckle  !
 
 If  it  doesn't  work  out,  well,  I  don't  mind  my  tanks  looking  like  Edit,  and  redoing  them  all  over  again,  my  question  is  why  shouldn't  it  work  out  ?
 
 Rohan  you  have  a  long  wait  !  Chuckle
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 24, 2009 1:13 pm Post subject: Re: Fulvic Acid Chelates - alternative to useless Microsol B Reply with quote

 Wall Bang   Doh   Doh   Doh  
 My  maid  threw  the  mix  out!  Aaaaaaarrrrgh!
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