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PostPosted: Tue Mar 17, 2009 2:57 pm Post subject: Frontosa Juveniles Dying! Reply with quote

 I  recently  bought  six  juvenile  frontosas  about  an  inch  in  size  from  a  LFS.  I  put  them  in  a  plastic  tub  about  3  feet  long  and  1  and  half  feet  wide  with  a  depth  of  about  a  feet  or  more.  I  put  in  four  ceramic  cups  for  "caves"  and  released  the  fish  after  acclimatisation.  However,  I  started  loosing  fish  till  I  am  left  with  only  one  now.  What  could  have  gone  wrong?  I  had  contacted  the  LFS  after  day  one  when  I  lost  the  1st  fish  and  he  told   me  that  probably  the  PH  was  not  right  and  that  I  had  to  get  it  high  to  8.5  or9.  My  tap  water  was  already  showing  a  PH  reading  of  8  but  I  increased  it  to  8.5  -9just  to  be  on  the  safe  side.  However  when  I  lost  the  2nd  fish  I  contacted  the  fish  shop  and  he  told  me  that  perhaps  the  fish  had  ich  and  that  i  need  to  treat  the  same  with  salt  and  malagreen.   This  was  because  the  fish  that  died  had  its  mouth  wide  open  and  since  there  was  an  airstone  running  at  full   strength  it  couldn't  have  been  due  to  lack  of  oxygen  in  the  water.  However  Have  kept  losing  fish  everyday  till  I  am  left  with  only  one  now.  What  could  have  been  the  problem?.  The  nitrite  level  inthe  water  too  was  below  3.  I   had  raised  the  temperature  to   30  C  and  added  salt  to  treat  the  ich  if  there  was  any.  All  the  fish  that  died  had  their  mouths  wide  open  and  apart  from  that  there  were  no  marks  of  injury  or  otherwise  on  the  bodies.  Please,  can  some  one  explain?
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 17, 2009 3:07 pm Post subject: Re: Frontosa Juveniles Dying! Reply with quote

 Can  you  please  let  us  know  if  there  was  any  filter  in  the  tub  ?  I  dont  think  you  cared  to  cycle  the  tub  before  releasing  the  fronts  in....
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 17, 2009 3:09 pm Post subject: Re: Frontosa Juveniles Dying! Reply with quote

 Was  the  nitrite  3  or  was  the  nitrate  3  ?  both  are  different  BTW.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 17, 2009 3:12 pm Post subject: Re: Frontosa Juveniles Dying! Reply with quote

 True...  Crying or Very sad  but  do  you  think  that  was  the  reason?...after  all  i  tested  the  nitrite  level  and  there  was  no  build  up...  was  less  than  3..
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 17, 2009 3:13 pm Post subject: Re: Frontosa Juveniles Dying! Reply with quote

 nitrite  at  3  is  highly  fatal.  And  obviously  the  filter  is  a  must.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 17, 2009 3:15 pm Post subject: Re: Frontosa Juveniles Dying! Reply with quote

 I  think  the  best  thing  to  do  would  be  to  return  the  only  surviving  front  and  to  read  on  tank  cycling  first.  Get  yourself  a  good  fish  tank  of  appropriate  size  to  house  fronts.  Start  a  fresh.  You  can  get  good  help  here  regarding  how  and  where  to  begin.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 17, 2009 3:22 pm Post subject: Re: Frontosa Juveniles Dying! Reply with quote

 garfield1967,
 
 Are  they  wild  caught  specimens?
 
 What  is  the  ph  in  the  LFS  tanks  they  were  in?
 
 What  is  the  temperature  in  the  LFS  tanks  they  were  in?  
 
 You  might  have  drastically  changed  any  one  or  all  these  parameters  in  your  tanks,  otherwise  these  beauties  are  hardy.  
 
 BTW  what  is  malagreen?  I  have  heard  of  malaD  [No  offense  meant  here]
 
 Dont  worry  just  make  sure  the  surviving  one  is  stable  and  experts  here  can  give  you  lot  many  insight  to  your  problem.  Any  help  you  can  PM  me.
 
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 17, 2009 3:39 pm Post subject: Re: Frontosa Juveniles Dying! Reply with quote

 first  things  first  
 have  you  ever  kept  fish  ????
 was  the  tub  cycled??
 Did  you  do  any  research  on  fronts  before  buying  them  or  did  you  do  any  after  buying  them  ???
 
 
 Filters  are  a  must  as  fish  need  clean  water  to  survive  
 tank  must  be  cycled  for  it  to  sustain  the  bioload  added  to  the  tank
 
 we  should  learn  what  the  requirements  of  each  fish  before  bringing  them  to  their  doom,  as  each  fish  has  its  own  set  of  requirements  for  it  live  a  long  and  healthy  life  
 
 and  changing  PH  drastically  is  a  very  unwise  thing  to  do  as  this  will  cause  undue  stress  to  the  fish,  BTW  what  used  to  change  the  PH  ??
 
 
 and  IMHO  fronts  are  great  to  look  at  only  in  profile  view  and  not  top  view,  so  go   for  a  tank  rather  than  a  tub  next  time
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 17, 2009 4:09 pm Post subject: Re: Frontosa Juveniles Dying! Reply with quote

 Jibran,
 
 Please  be  considerate  sir!  you  are  scaring  away  people  from  this  forum....
 
 Hope  you  will  not  bang/hit  me  when  I  visit  you  in  Mysore   Punch  
 
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 17, 2009 4:28 pm Post subject: Re: Frontosa Juveniles Dying! Reply with quote

 i  did  not  wish  to  sound  harsh,  if  i  did,  i  apologize.
 
 but  we  do  need  to  learn  what  our  pets  requirements  are  before  we  jump  in  and  get  them,  if  it  was  an  impulse  buy  then  we  at  least  should  be  considerate  towards  our  pets  and  do  our  research  
 
 @vijai,  please  do  not  use  the  prefix  sir,  doesn't  suit  me  Smile,  and  one  more  thing,  on  all  the  weekdays  i  stay  in  blore  as  i  work  here  and  only  during  weekends  and  holidays  is  that  i  head  back  to  home  (mysore),  and  i  headbang  only  to  Music  not  into  people  unlike  some  *cough*  *zidane*  *cough*   ROFL
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 17, 2009 4:58 pm Post subject: Re: Frontosa Juveniles Dying! Reply with quote

 Understand  the  context  in  which  the  word  sir  was  suffixed  hmmm...sure  ...headbanger_jib,  I  love  to  call  you  by  this  name  from  now  on  as  you  wish...and  cool  to  know  little  about  your  personality  and  coordinates.....well  lets  catch  up  some  weekday  at  an  LFS  and  continue  our  chat  session.....
 
 BTW  the  Zinedane  Zidane  episode  was  morefully  classified  as  head  butting  and  not  head  banging...  again  here  the  context  is  trivial  to  know....
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 17, 2009 5:03 pm Post subject: Re: Frontosa Juveniles Dying! Reply with quote

 IMO,  NitrIte  is  just  as  poisonous  or  more  poisonous  then  ammonia.  It  prevents  blood  from  carrying  oxygen  around  the  body  ,  and  the  fish  will  not  be  able  to  survive  even  if  the  water  is  well  oxygenated.
 To  prevent  nitrite  poisoning,  always  add  plenty  of  salt  to  the  tank/tub  etc.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 17, 2009 5:07 pm Post subject: Re: Frontosa Juveniles Dying! Reply with quote

 garfield1967  -  If  the  nitrite  level  was  that  high,  mostly  they  died  because  of  it.
 
 You  seem  to  be  a  member  of  this  forum  for  nearly  a  year.  I  think  you  should  have  gone  through  some  pointers  on  cycling.
 
 I  had  also  read  that  the  effects  of  ammonia  and  nitrites  will  be  even  higher  with  salt  and  higher  temperature.  Though  the  combination  is  always  suggested  for  problems,  its  always  with  the  assumption  that  ammonia/nitrite  are  taken  care  off.  Basically  you  needed  to  have  0  ammonia  and  nitrites.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 17, 2009 5:18 pm Post subject: Re: Frontosa Juveniles Dying! Reply with quote

 Well  thats  sad.  
 
 My  guess  is  that  the  tub  was  not  cycled  or   It  could  the  ceremic  cups  tat  you  put  in  there  (  they  might  have  caused  it  )  ,  get  a  proper  tank.  I  guess  it  can  happen  to  anyone  of  us.  Better  toset  up  a  proper  tank  with  the  filters  and  then  cycle  the  tank  and  then  introduce  the  fronts  
 
 Thanks  
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 18, 2009 4:06 pm Post subject: Re: Frontosa Juveniles Dying! Reply with quote

 My  thanks  to  everyone  who  posted  a  reply  to  my  query.  I  deeply  appreciate  the  valuable  inputs  from  all  of  you.  
 Firstly,  let  me  correct  the  figure  of  the  nitrate  level  that  I  submitted  on  this  forum...it  was  below  0.3  not  3  as  I  mentioned  earlier....  which  is  the  lowest  level  that  the  Tetra  test  kit  indicates....my  sincere  apologies  to  everyone.  Today  (  the  7th  day)  it  had  risen  to  0.3  and  I  have  done  a  partial  change  of  water.  The  lone  juvenile  is  still  alive  and  darting  about.  However,  I  agree  that  I  should  have  recycled  the  tank  before  releasing  the  juveniles.  I  didn't  mean  to  keep  them  in  that  tub  for  long..  I  have  three  other  proper  aquariums..  one  for  angels,  another  a  planted  with  4  discus  and  the  third  with  a  blue  dolphin  and  a  blue  alunocara  (not  sure  which  category),  both  about  3  inches  big.  Since  the  juveniles  were  small  I  didnt  want  to  risk  putting  them  in  the  cichlid  tank  right  away.  Besides,  I  always  have  kept  fish  that  I  accquire  newly  in  the  tub  or  similar  containers  for  about  a  month  or  so  before  releasing  them  in  he  main  tanks.  Since  I  never  had  a  prilem  like  this  earlier  I  guess  got  a  little  complacent.  Besides,  frontosas  are  hardy  fish  or  so  I  thought,  requiring  hard  and  alkaline  water,  a  few  hiding  places  and  a  sex  ratio  of  a  single  male  to  3  or  more  females  (  atleast  when  they  are  mature).
 Do  my  friends  still  believe  that  the  lack  of  a  filter  was  the  reason  for  the  deaths?..  I  have  put  in  a  small  sponge  filter  today.
 The  malagreen  I  referred  to   in  my  first  post  is  a  medicine  available  for  treatment  of  ich  here  in  Kolkata..think  it  comes  from  Bangkok  or  some  such  place...and  its  principle  constituent  is  malachite  green.
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