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PostPosted: Tue Apr 21, 2009 12:49 am Post subject: Re: need plants id please Reply with quote

 i  checked   Echinodorus  Cordifolius  on  google.  i  dont  think  thats  my  plant.  its  amazon  only
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 im  actually  not  sure  thats  why  i  asked  you  guys  to  id  it  for  me  niranjan
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 Hi  Niranjan,  I  dont  think  cordifolius  is  a  good  match.  The  leaves  in  the  pic  you  mentioned  have  a  spade  shape,  especially  if  you  observe  the  point  where  the  petiole  attaches  to  the  leaf.  amazonicus  doesnt  seem  like  the  perfect  match  to  the  plant  we  have,  but  it  is  a  much  closer  match  than  cordifolius.
 
 Hi  Rameez,  regarding  the  plant  and  lighting,  the  last  time  I  had  this  plant,  I  had  it  growing  well  in  the  cement  tank  outside,  but  it  quickly  deteriorated  once  I  moved  it  to  the  aquarium  inside.  The  tank  depth  is  1.5ft,  and  I  had  only  a  14W  CFL  then.  I  now  have  a  20W  CFL  and  23W  CFL  lighting  the  tank  and  the  plants  have  been  good  so  far.  The  browning  is  only  on  those  leaves  that  were  crushed  during  the  transit  from  the  shop  to  home.  I  had  also  recently  added  a  DIY  CO2  in  my  tank  and  I  can  visibly  see  the  difference  in  health  in  my  blyxa.  So  I  presume  it  will  help  these  plants  as  well.  The  water  temperature  remains  at  31  to  32C  as  the  tank  is  away  from  both  sunlight  and  any  AC  fittings.  We  can  perhaps  exchange  notes  on  the  progress  regularly  as  we  have  both  made  the  same  choice  of  plants  and  got  them  around  the  same  time,  if  it  is  ok.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 21, 2009 12:48 pm Post subject: Re: need plants id please Reply with quote

 Plants  have  different  leaf  shape  in  emmersed  and  submerged  conditions.  
 Sometime  it  becomes  really  difficult  to  identify  it  by  comparing  with  google  image,  but  still  to  me  it  seems  Echinodorus  cordifolius,  if  possible  post  a  pic  with  full  leaf  open.
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 Hi  Saurabh,  hope  this  helps.  This  pic  is  of  the  emmersed  setup  I  am  trying  for.  The  photo  was  taken  on  day2  (day  before  yesterday)  of  getting  the  plant.
 No  idea  if  the  plant  was  grown  immersed  or  emmersed  when  I  got  it.  But  I  noticed  that  the  leaves  started  to  wilt  by  end  of  day2,  and  so  I  have  placed  it  in  a  tub  where  the  leaves  are  almost  under  water.  The  plant  appears  more  stable  now.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 21, 2009 2:19 pm Post subject: Re: need plants id please Reply with quote

 @  Johnny  
 I  got  the  same  plant  ..  and  its  growing  more  than  15"  now..5  "  above  water..  
 
 As  per  many  pics  on  diff  sites  suggests  that  Echinodorus  amazonicus  have  much  longer  leaves  with  slightly  different  shape.And  the  leaves  of  Echinodorus  amazonicus  are  much  more  flexible  than  the  one  we  got..(i  assume  Echinodorus  Cordifolius  has  much  more  hard  leaves).  
 And  one  more  thing  i  noticed  in  many  pics  that  leaves  of  Amazon(Echinodorus  amazonicus)   start  growing  nearly  close  from  substrate..  Chk  leaves  Shape  Here
 
 And  the  site  here  suggests  that  Amzons  comes  in  many  varieties  and  many  are  hybrids...
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 ok  guys  i  dont  know  what  is  going  on  with  my  plants.today  morning  when  i  got  up  they  were  all  totally  brown  and  the  stems  are  just  hanging,waiting  to  break.i  really  dont  understand  what  is  happening.should  i  add  CO2,
 can  i  add  a  layer  of  potting  soil  at  the  bottom  and  then  a  thick  layer  of  the  sand  substrate.will  that  be  fine  or  is  it  a  no  no?  the  plants  look  really  bad
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 21, 2009 3:28 pm Post subject: Re: need plants id please Reply with quote

                                                   
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Hi  Niranjan,  I  dont  think  cordifolius  is  a  good  match.  The  leaves  in  the  pic  you  mentioned  have  a  spade  shape,  especially  if  you  observe  the  point  where  the  petiole  attaches  to  the  leaf.  amazonicus  doesnt  seem  like  the  perfect  match  to  the  plant  we  have,  but  it  is  a  much  closer  match  than  cordifolius.
 
 Hi  Rameez,  regarding  the  plant  and  lighting,  the  last  time  I  had  this  plant,  I  had  it  growing  well  in  the  cement  tank  outside,  but  it  quickly  deteriorated  once  I  moved  it  to  the  aquarium  inside.  The  tank  depth  is  1.5ft,  and  I  had  only  a  14W  CFL  then.  I  now  have  a  20W  CFL  and  23W  CFL  lighting  the  tank  and  the  plants  have  been  good  so  far.  The  browning  is  only  on  those  leaves  that  were  crushed  during  the  transit  from  the  shop  to  home.  I  had  also  recently  added  a  DIY  CO2  in  my  tank  and  I  can  visibly  see  the  difference  in  health  in  my  blyxa.  So  I  presume  it  will  help  these  plants  as  well.  The  water  temperature  remains  at  31  to  32C  as  the  tank  is  away  from  both  sunlight  and  any  AC  fittings.  We  can  perhaps  exchange  notes  on  the  progress  regularly  as  we  have  both  made  the  same  choice  of  plants  and  got  them  around  the  same  time,  if  it  is  ok.                

 johnny  i  would  love  to  exchange  notes  with  you  provided  my  plants  survive.at  present  they  dont  look  so  good  to  me.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 21, 2009 3:30 pm Post subject: Re: need plants id please Reply with quote

 Rameez...  i  told  you  yesterday..  these  are  LIGHT  demanding  plants..  u  need  to  arrange  proper  lighting  for  them..  just  couple  of  hrs  of  Sunlight  is  not  enough..
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 i  am  getting  lights  today..yesterday  i  could  not  go..what  light  do  i  need  to  buy?  can  you  help  me  on  that  and  how  long  should  i  leave  the  lights  on
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 Hi  Niranjan,  I  agree  that  it  is  very  difficult  to  id  the  plants  based  on  images  alone.  Infact,  the  first  time  I  had  this  plant,  I  searched  the  net  and  concluded  it  is  a  crypt.  Only  as  per  this  discussion  thread  I  understand  that  it  is  not.  Like  you  had  suggested,  this  may  not  be  amazonicus.  But  I  am  still  not  convinced  it  is  cordifolius.  The  description  for  cordifolius  specifically  says  spade  shaped  leaves  whereas  the  leaves  here  are  more  lanceloate.
 
 Also,  can  you  post  some  pics  of  your  plant.  Since  I  am  trying  for  emmersed,  it  would  give  me  a  good  idea  on  what  to  expect.
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 These  are  some  pics  of  my  plant..above  water..
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 umm  guys  can  i  get  help  on  my  topic..  Chuckle  if  u  guys  dont  mind
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 Agreed!  Niranjan,  we  both  definitely  have  the  same  plant.  But  I  am  still  not  convinced  it  is  cordiflorius.  Sorry.   Smile  
 
 Rameez,  from  what  I  have  experienced,  lack  of  light  has  only  caused  the  leaves  to  turn  yellow  first,  rather  than  brown  (And  this  is  in  my  balcony  where  the  plant  gets  a  total  of  about  2  hrs  of  sunlight  in  morning  and  evening  and  indirect/  diffused  sunlight  for  the  rest  of  the  day).  The  browing  has  happened  in  the  damaged  leaves  only.  And  in  the  emmersed  setup,  as  it  was  not  humid.  Since  you  are  not  having  an  emmersed  setup,  I  expect  it  has  a  more  to  do  with  the  water  parameters.
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