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PostPosted: Mon Aug 08, 2005 11:34 am Post subject: Swirling disease Reply with quote

 Hi  all,
 
 I  am  facing  a  peculiar  problem.  Have  lost  3  adult  discus  till  now.    Sad    Crying or Very sad  Since  the  time  that  we  had  the  rains,  i  have  noticed  quite  a  few  of  my  discus  swirling  very  voilently.  They  tend  to  swirl  at  one  place  and  then  bang  themselves  against  the  tank  sides.  Spoke  to  a  few  breeders  and  they  are  also  facing  the  same  problem.    Apparently  the  chlorine  content  is  very  high  in  mumbai  bmc  water  right  now.  I  am  using  stored  water.Someone  advised  me  to  use  Quinine.  I  have  never  used  this  so  i  am  at  a  loss.  Can  somebody  advise  a  probable  cure.  Matter  urgent.  You  could  also  call  me  on  9448914285.
 
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Hi  all,
 
 I  am  facing  a  peculiar  problem.  Have  lost  3  adult  discus  till  now.    Sad    Crying or Very sad  Since  the  time  that  we  had  the  rains,  i  have  noticed  quite  a  few  of  my  discus  swirling  very  voilently.  They  tend  to  swirl  at  one  place  and  then  bang  themselves  against  the  tank  sides.  Spoke  to  a  few  breeders  and  they  are  also  facing  the  same  problem.    Apparently  the  chlorine  content  is  very  high  in  mumbai  bmc  water  right  now.  I  am  using  stored  water.Someone  advised  me  to  use  Quinine.  I  have  never  used  this  so  i  am  at  a  loss.  Can  somebody  advise  a  probable  cure.  Matter  urgent.  You  could  also  call  me  on  9448914285.
 
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 Hi  Rama
 
 This  may  be  due  to  PH  shock,  Check  PH  and  take  Corrective  steps,  you  can  try  sedating  them,  the  affected
 ones  for  12  Hours  Period.
 
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 Hi  Sundar,
 
 Thanks  for  the  post.  What  can  be  used  to  sedate  them?
 I  have  checked  the  pH.  It  is  between  6.5  and  7.3.  
 
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Hi  Sundar,
 
 Thanks  for  the  post.  What  can  be  used  to  sedate  them?
 I  have  checked  the  pH.  It  is  between  6.5  and  7.3.  
 
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 You  can  try  Human  Medicine  "Restle"  SR  1/2  Tabl  of  0.  5  MG  for  100  Lit  of  Water.
 I  do  not  know  about  your  water  Change  regimn.  PH  seems  to  be  normal,
 swirling  behavier  affects  the  Fish  when  the  PH  swings  upwards  to  Alkaline,
 we  normally  add  Bislreri  water  to  bring  down  the  PH  and  restrict  Water  Changes  to  Minimum  30  %  every  other  day.  Closely  Monitor  the  PH  and  try  to  stablize  it  to  solve  the  Problm.  
 
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 Hi  Rama,
 One  of  my  adult  Turquoise  also  behaved  voilently  yesterday  for  few  minutes  (swirled  and  flashed  across  the  8.5  ft  tank)  and  started  floating  flat  later.    I  immediately  shifted  it  to  the  medical  tank  and  started  treating  it  with  Melafix.    Why  Melafix?    Can't  really  explain    Unsure    But  looks  like  it  is  working  and  so  far  so  good.    What  still  confuses  me  is  that  other  discus  are  behaving  normal.    Hence,  I  have  not  checked  the  water  parameters  so  far.    Will  do  it  soon.    
 
 Can  someone  please  comment  if  it  is  normal  for  only  few  fishes  to  react  to  problems  in  water  conditions  while  the  rest  of  the  tank  looks  normal.
 
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Hi  Rama,
 Can  someone  please  comment  if  it  is  normal  for  only  few  fishes  to  react  to  problems  in  water  conditions  while  the  rest  of  the  tank  looks  normal.
 
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 Hi  Anand,
 
 The  situation  is  same  in  my  tanks.  Only  a  few  have  this  problem,  the  rest  are  fine.  Also  the  affected  fishes  are  eating  properly.
 
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 Hi  Rama,
 My  affected  discus  has  not  eater  for  few  days  now  Shocked      Are  you  treating  the  affected  fishes  separately?    Please  let  me  know  when  you  overcome  the  problem  and  how?
 
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 Hi  Anand,
 
 My  fishes  are  eating  properly  and  they  also  come  up  to  me  when  i  am  near  the  tank.
 
 I  have  lost  15  fishes  since  yesterday  night.  Somehow  this  is  affecting  only  the  big  fishes.
 
 Have  put    2  to  3  fishes  separately  in  four  tanks.
 
 Following  treatments  are  underway.  All  these  subscribed/  advised  by  our  good  friends.
 
 Tank  1:  2  fishes:  Garlic  extract  as  advised  by  Nag.  They  seem  to  be  ok  and  have  not  shown  any  signs  of  swirling  till  now.  
 
 Tank  2:  3  fishes:  Chlormycetin  treatment  as  advised  by  Carey.
 
 Tank  3:  3  fishes:  Flagyl  500  mixed  with  beefheart  fed  in  the  morning.  Also  the  water  has  been  treated  with  Paraxine  and  Oxytetracycline.  This  was  suggested  by  Yateen  another  breeder  here.
 
 Tank  4:  3  fishes:  Formalin  treatment.  Suggested  by  Kamlesh.
 
 I  spoke  to  mitul  and  he  was  of  the  opinion  that  this  problem  has  been  seen  at  other  places  in  mumbai  and  that  they  have  lost  almost  80%  of  their  fishes.
 
 All  i  can  do  is  wait  and  see  which  treatment  works  the  best.  Pray  that  it  works.
 
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 I  am  not  sure  of  the  exact  cure..  since  it  may  be  discus  plague  (search  for  it  on  google  if  u  dont  know  what  it  is)..  but  i  am  sure  formalin  wont  help.
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but  i  am  sure  formalin  wont  help.                

 
 I  agree..
 I  dont  think  it  is  discus  plague  but  see  the  link
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 Update  on  the  four  tanks:  4.30  PM
 
 Tank  1:  Garlic  drops:Doing  fine.  Thanks  Nag.  Cheer  
 
 Tank  2:  Chloromycetin  tabs.  One  died.  One  remaining.  Sad  
 
 Tank  3:  Flafgyl  mix  food:  Doing  fine.  Clapping  
 
 Tank  4:  Formalin  treatment.  Doing  fine.  Cheering  
 
 Have  added  garlic  drops  (extract)  to  a  few  tanks.  
 
 Hope  it  works.  Dont  think  it  is  dicus  plague.  
 
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 Correction  on  Tank  2.  One  died  two  remaining.    Cheering  Where  i  am  sitting,  i  cannot  see  the  other  one  as  he  is  behind  the  sponge  filter!!
 
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 hi  Mumbaikars,
 
 My  heart  goes  out  to  you  guys.  First  the  rains  but  atleast  that  stopped.  The  after  effects  are  really  taking  their  toll.
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 Hi  Madan,
 
 Thanks  for  the  kind  words.  Thumb Up  
 
 Quite  a  few  breeders  who  had  fish  farms,  have  lost  everything.  LFS  guys  in  kurla  were  the  worst  hit.  Shakir  had  some  2  feet  long  arrowanas  in  his  LFS.  After  the  rains  they  were  found  dead  on  the  floor  along  with  other  fishes  that  had  not  been  swept  away.  Small  breeders  have  been  the  worst  hit.  I  expect  full  hatcheries  being  put  up  for  sale  in  the  coming  weeks.
 
 My  fishes  survived  the  rains,  no  electricity,  no  water  change  at  that  time  --only  to  get  this  current  problem.
 
 Sunday,  i  had  Prasoon(doka)  and  Suneal(SunealM)  visiting  my  place  and  a  big  blue  turquoise  died  at  that  time.  He  was  absolutely  fine  before  that.  Since  then,  it  has  been  a  bad  bad  time.
 
 However,  i  must  thank  all  discus  keepers  and  breeders  on  IAH  and  elsewhere,  who  have  given  me  a  patient  hearing  and  offered  their  advise.  
 
 It's  very  sad  to  see  fishes,  that  you  have  reared  from  small  size,  fed  them,  enjoyed  their  antics,  loved  them  -  die  all  of  a  sudden.  I  just  pray  that  the  treatments  being  done  succeed  and  i  dont  lose  any  more  fishes.
 
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 even  i  hope  that  the  treatments  being  done  succeed  and  u  dont  lose  any  more  fishes.  
 
 All  the  best!!!
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