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Chinoy
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 Posted: Sat May 16, 2009 11:17 pm Post subject: My first really bad Exp. in the hobby. |
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So my LFS has me totlly spooked about the stand.
He goes oh no you cant build that on your own.
There is the balance. The weight the this and that.
Then he took me to his Friends shop who only makes fish tank stands.
Based on the stocks in his shop. I could tell this is the guy who is supplying all the LFS in a 10 Mile Radius. And some of the really big shops in central Bangalore.
I also spotted the wrapping used on the stands. This wrapping is only used by a friend of mine who runs a power coating setup.
The Tank stand builder comes to my house. I give him my plans. I tell him to double check all the plans and take measurements of everything to be sure. I told him what gauge I want it in.
Today he rang up saying stand is ready. I ask him to bring it and install it. And to bring some ply and Thermocole.
He lands up with the stand no ply or thermocole.
I ask him to help install the tank he just laughfs.
I point out that my design required 14 gauge steel what he has used you can lift the complete stand with one finger. He just laugh's slime ball.
He then starts giving me attitude. I throw the money on his face. And ask him to leave I dont like to bargain. And I gont like to short change a fellow worker. Let him deal with his karma for this.
I just told him that he would not go far in life with this kind of customer support.
Since we cant mention prices here. Lets just say he charged me more than what it cost to build my tank. And more than 100 times what he charges his LFS guys for a stand.
What really really got me pissed is when my boys helped me screw on the ply, lift the tank onto the stand and line it up in place.
We found that the stand was totally off. The frame did not rest on the window sill. Only 3 of the 6 legs where touching the ground. We couldnt check earlier because the tank was in the place where the stand was supposed to go. And the tank builder refused to help me.
Fair enoughf on that it took 6 huge guys just to lift the empty tank.
When I rang up the guy. He was like that is normal. Just put some Lubber (Rubber).
Just adjust everything will be ok.
I told him that if my 8 year old had built the stand it would have come out better. And you call your self an Expert in this field building tanks for 30 years.
Im so fuming mad. Its hard not to abuse and rant on this guy.
This is the level of experts in our country. Be it me trying to build a stand or get anything done right.
The only reason I didnt build the stand was fear of how i would ensure an accuracy off 1mm. This guy managed to get it off by over an inch.
He has a huge tank building setup on Tannery Road.
Im not going to mention his name.
But be warned.
I got coned royally today.
Than god I did my own tank. Everything came out just right and Im very happy with it.
I know Karma will take care of this guy.
They say a person who get coned has to take some of the blame. True I should have just done this job my self.
If this was anywhere else but India. The guy would have come back. Seen his mistakes. And either given a refund or taken his sloppy work and fixed it but this is India.
Solpa adjust madi is our National Anthem.
And to think that 90% of stands sold in all the LFS across in my area of Bangalore are made by this guy  |
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Alistair
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| Posted: Sun May 17, 2009 2:20 am Post subject: Re: My first really bad Exp. in the hobby. |
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hey Ron, chin up. Ive seen worse...
How about a guy ordering 50 kgs of golden sand, and getting 2 sacks of red gravel deivered directly home(No return policy by LFS).. saying, this is what golden sand looks like  |
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Preeths
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| Posted: Sun May 17, 2009 4:37 am Post subject: Re: My first really bad Exp. in the hobby. |
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| Stands are generally off by a few millimeters. Placing folded paper under the legs is normal to balance the stand. If you need that much precision then the cost of stand can get really expensive. |
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madhu_ulysses
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| Posted: Sun May 17, 2009 9:37 am Post subject: Re: My first really bad Exp. in the hobby. |
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| Sorry for your bad experience, but it didn't happen because it was in India, it went worse because you went to the wrong guy. |
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nature_lover
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| Posted: Sun May 17, 2009 9:45 am Post subject: Re: My first really bad Exp. in the hobby. |
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^ Agree 100% to that. 
I do get a lot of work done here in Coimbatore and I have a guy who knows what he is doing. The only problem with him is that he is slow. |
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tigermath
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| Posted: Sun May 17, 2009 10:59 am Post subject: Re: My first really bad Exp. in the hobby. |
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The good people r always slow Suraj 
Put some paper or rubber or ply pieces underneath Chinoy. Really feeling bad for u though. |
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nash81
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| Posted: Sun May 17, 2009 11:03 am Post subject: Re: My first really bad Exp. in the hobby. |
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Hi Ron,
I am thinking why is it that its you everytime who gets to such people !! .. Be it India or abroad a guy who dosent do it right ..just wont do it right and would care the least. I know guys in india who would own their action and correct anything that is wrong and or take a single rupee. I guess you just land up with the wrong guys each time...Guess Karma has something there as well.... you need to spend more time on researching the LFS/GUYS you are dealing with and ask for advice on that grounds as well. I am sure a lot of bangalore guys here can help you and we have some extremely well catered LFS here on IAH itself from bangalore who are also experienced hobbyist.... I am 100% certain this would not happen to anyone of them and that if it did they would own it and fix it for you. They may or may not have been as expensive but it would eventually be money well spent. Few names i could think of from Bangalore is Adip, Psimhan and folks who recent started their own store, Deeakbrid and i am sure there are a lot more good LFS there. You have the Guru's of fish keeping there as well who could have guided you if you requested like Madan Sir and Trevor sir and many more.
The other thing i could think of is, have you checked the ground leveling. Most apartments / houses are built in slopes or times the floor is sliding towards a certain angle. This is when such things happen and is quiet possible. However i completely agree that this should not be your headache and the guy who built the stand should have seen that.
Sorry for the bad experience but for your future i would suggest you get in touch with hobbyist who have experience about the same and will guide you to the right source of things...
Finally dont blame on Karma to the other guy... cause we not meeting the right guy is also the outcome of our own karma !
Cheers
Nirav shah
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babai
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| Posted: Sun May 17, 2009 11:35 am Post subject: Re: My first really bad Exp. in the hobby. |
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Extremely sad experience.
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So my LFS has me totlly spooked about the stand.
And ask him to leave I dont like to bargain.
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Though I could not find any reason behind this. I have even seen a millionaire bargaining like hell at a LFS. |
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vikaspell
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| Posted: Sun May 17, 2009 11:38 am Post subject: Re: My first really bad Exp. in the hobby. |
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Chinoy
feel sorry for this ....
Though this site doesnt have a policy of naming people, but i feel we should allow naming( discretly) them since it would saving other hobbist from falling prey to such people.
Tough i have had a lot of good experiance with LFS in bangalore though i live in tirupur that is about 300 kms away.
Karma there i think !!!.
Vikas |
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pree
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| Posted: Sun May 17, 2009 2:08 pm Post subject: Re: My first really bad Exp. in the hobby. |
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Really sad experience....I know how much hobbyist dream abt their perfect setups and such experiences can really hurt.
I remember an incident that occurred in the US and became a big thing in the hobbyist circles for a few days... Don't remember the names...but here it is...
A lady commissioned a 11 ft tank from a very popular tank builder. She made all efforts to convey her needs to the builder. She emailed several drawings...phoned him regularly to ask abt progress...etc
The major thing with this tank was that since it was a marine tank that was going to hold SPS, LSP and soft corals ...it had specific arrangements in the tank for drilled overflow holes etc.. The lady had planned to the extent that from the left where her living room faced the tank, she wanted to see only the SPS corals and from the right , where the study was, she wanted to see the soft corals.. The tank itself was delivered wrong...Overflow holes in the wrong side..
This lady fought with the tank builder a long hard battle and got the cost of the entire 11ft tank comped off! In this case the builder was even ready to mend the tank at no cost but transporting it back to him and then back to the lady was going to cost a bomb and the lady refused to pay even for that.
Till you aren't satisfied with the delivered goods, you shouldn't have paid him. Told him tht I need to check the tank on the stand. Without it I cant say its good or bad...and not paid him...at least not the full amount. |
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natbox
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| Posted: Sun May 17, 2009 6:48 pm Post subject: Re: My first really bad Exp. in the hobby. |
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wow....conned royally ..exact words used by chinoy...sorry for your experience buddy... wish you better luck next time buddy. be more careful buddy  |
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| Posted: Sun May 17, 2009 7:25 pm Post subject: Re: My first really bad Exp. in the hobby. |
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And I never pay more than 1/6 of the total amount if the shopkeeper asks for any advanced payment.  |
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Whitesnake
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| Posted: Mon May 18, 2009 9:59 pm Post subject: Re: My first really bad Exp. in the hobby. |
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Guys, From what i can read as per the post put up by him he is now trying to tell us how he had made his mistakes and now wants some one to sort it for him but his attitude its kind of like he is doing us a favor by posting on this.
Chinoy I am sorry to say YOU kind of Stink and your attitude kindly keep it at home locked in a box when you are on this site and are posting for information.
Kindly remember this site also caters to information to people who are new to this hobby.
And any one who is new if he starts reading your post will defiantly get this feeling that people here do not know anything
Kindly note salt does not take away chlorine from the water this is basic fish keeping.
Regards,
Clive |
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mandragoran
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| Posted: Mon May 18, 2009 10:29 pm Post subject: Re: My first really bad Exp. in the hobby. |
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Chinoy,
Sorry to hear about your experience. Sh** happens is all I can say. And it has happened to many of us here.
Clive, I think you are being a little unfair. Take it easy, man. |
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Natrery
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| Posted: Mon May 18, 2009 10:40 pm Post subject: Re: My first really bad Exp. in the hobby. |
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Chinoy,
I cant understand when something goes wrong why the heck do you say ' This is INDIA". this is happening a real amatuer person like you gets fooled by LFS guy, doesnt mean its because of india, its because you are dum.
As madhu said it happened because u went to the wrong guy. U say tat u are not rich and all..then why did you throw the money at his face..u should have argued and made sure he delivered the right piece. anyways its your headache now!
Lastly if u are looking for the Best Stuff..then u need to go to the best People...
Hope this might help!
From my experience if you want to buy from the Pros
Tanks and Fishes- ADIP. He will get u anything and everything you need!( my ADA and all accessories needed for planted Tanks was from him)  ..thanks for giving us ADA..
Harshal
Lighting and stands - Harshal ( got my stand and lighting for my ADA planted from Harshal) The stand and fixture he made is just perfect..thats all i can say!
THanks to both Adip and Harshal..Atleast i know that i can very much trust them with their work!  .. Guys!
And if u are free! Pm me the price u paid for the stand and the dimension of the stand. |
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