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 Hi,
 
 National  research  centre  for  aquaculture  is  located  near  my  house.  
 
 My  source  and  lab  setup  is  from  Dr.  Sultan  -  specialist  in  freshwater  and  saltwater  culturing.
 
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Hi,
 
 Then  why  do  we  consider  using  a  RO  and  a  DI?
 
 I  hope  you  all  know  what  it  does  and  what  are  the  filter  mediums  used  in  this!!!
 
 If  not,  i  strongly  suggest  some  reading  before  you  jump  into  "discus  breeding"  and  "discus  keeping"  as  such    Cheering  
 
 it  is  not  the  question  of  TDS  of  100  being  hard!!!!    think  about  -  water  passing  through  many  channels  and  increasing  the  chances  of  increase  in  bacteria.
 
 just  for  your  info  i  have  kept  discus  in  1600  TDS,  but  i  had  to  treat  them  for  some  or  the  other  disease  every  2  -  3  weeks.
 
 ARpan                

 
 I  am  fully  aware  of  the  mediums  used  in  the  water  softening  systems  you  mention.
 
 I  do  not  agree  with  anything  else  you  say.
 
 Discus  are  used  to  soft  waters.  TDS  of  1600  ppm  is  stressful  to  discus  which  weakens  their  immune  system  and  this  leads  to  a  breakout  of  disease  frequently.
 
 Please!
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Hi,
 
 National  research  centre  for  aquaculture  is  located  near  my  house.  
 
 My  source  and  lab  setup  is  from  Dr.  Sultan  -  specialist  in  freshwater  and  saltwater  culturing.
 
 Arpan                

 
 Specialist  in  freshwater  and  salt  water  culturing  of  what?
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 Hi,
 for  your  information  juveniles  need  harder  water  for  proper  growth.  and  if  u  dont  know  this  much,  then  i  think      Cheering    Cheering    Chuckle    Chuckle  ...............    leave  it.      Rock On  
   
 and  if  u  dont  know  the  meaning  of  SW/FW  culturing,  then  u  are  not  worth  interacting  with!!!!!!  
 
 
 Do  you  have  a  LFS  in  b'lore  or  something?    just  curious...........
 
 
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 Oh,  and  BTW  i  thought  they  are  saltwater  fish!!!!!              Chuckle    Chuckle    Chuckle    Chuckle    Chuckle    Chuckle
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 Well  I  am  not  into  discus  keeping  nor  do  I  own  an  LFS  in  Bangalore.
 
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 Dear  Arpan,
                                     You  were  asked  a  polite  question  regarding  some  rather  far-fetched  claims  of  yours.  If  you  find  yourself  unable  to  support  your  claims,  please  refrain  from  posting.  
 
 Posts  such  as  the  2  above  mine  help  no  one.
 
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Hi,
 for  your  information  juveniles  need  harder  water  for  proper  growth.  and  if  u  dont  know  this  much,  then  i  think      Cheering    Cheering    Chuckle    Chuckle  ...............    leave  it.      Rock On  
   
 and  if  u  dont  know  the  meaning  of  SW/FW  culturing,  then  u  are  not  worth  interacting  with!!!!!!  
 
 
 Do  you  have  a  LFS  in  b'lore  or  something?    just  curious...........
 
 
 Arpan                

 
 So  Juveniles  need  harder  water...  wow!  At  last  one  credible  piece  of  information  from  you.
 
 Now  let's  see  how  much  more  you  know.
 
 What  would  be  the  TDS  of  soft  water  and  hard  water.  ("harder  water"  in  your  words)
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 Hi  Madan,
 
 Then  i  suggest  u  start  reading  a  bit  more  on  this  part  as  this  is  not  an  easy  task.  
 
 think  about  times,  when  we  in  INDIA  didnt  have  the  proper  equipment  to  keep  discus.  thanx  for  the  growing  interests  and  to  people  like  Carey  who  are  trying  to  boost  this  hobby.  We  should  be  encouraging  on  this  board  rather  than  pulling  legs,  especially  if  we  dont  know  the  others  job.
 
 Been  there  and  done  all  this.
 
 Been  in  Discus  keeping  for  more  than  9  years  now  and  i  surely  do  respect  your  experience  in  fish  keeping.
 
 It  was  a  healthy  discussion  though  and  hope  to  see  u  soon  in  B'lore  on  my  next  trip.
 
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 Perhaps  you  could  reccomend  a  few  good  sources  of  info  for  us  ignoramuses??
 
 I'm  particularly  interested  in  learning  more  about  
 
 a)  the  relationship  between  TDS  and  bacterial  counts  and  
 
 b)  rhinoviral  infections  in  discus
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 You  respect  my  knowledge  of  fishkeeping  thanks...
 
 Fishkeeping  =  also  includes  water  chemistry....
 
 I  have  done  enough  reading  up  on  this,  I'll  do  more....  but  I  will  not  find  anything  supporting  your  claims.  If  I  do  I'll  inform  you.
 
 I  wasn't  talking  at  all  about  your  experience  keeping  discus.....  I  have  none  and  I  don't  talk  of  things  I  don't  know.
 
 Water  Chemistry  is  one  thing  I  am  interested  and  thorough  to  a  considerable  extent.
 
 I  will  not  accept  any  tall  claims  unless  supported  by  proof.  Go  on  provide  proof  here.  It's  for  everyone's  benefit.  If  I  am  wrong  I'll  retract  what  I  said  right  here  on  this  thread.
 
 IAH  is  a  source  of  credible  information  and  I  want  it  remain  the  same.  No  one  wants  incredible  information  here  as  it  is  of  no  use  to  anyone,  especially  a  newcomer  looking  for  information.
 
 As  for  my  good  friend  Carey,  I  have  6  of  his  discus  in  my  planted  tank  which  he  gifted  me  less  than  a  month  ago.
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 Arpan,
 I've  had  discus  grown  from  2"  to  6"  in  well/bore  well  water,  the  deepest  borewell  being  around  400  feet  deep.    No  single  discus  death  so  far  for  the  past  2  1/2  years  because  of  water.    So  until  you  scientifically  explain  how  bacteria  population  is  more  in  hard  water  anyone  would  stick  on  to  what  has  worked  for  them  and  so  do  I.    We  disagree  with  the  bacteria-hard  water  factor  because  we  have  a  lot  of  proven  cases  where  discus  have  thrived  in  bore-well  water  for  years  without  any  problem  at  all.    Here  when  i  say  hard  water,  i  mean  TDS  less  than  500-600.
 So  please  provide  us  scientific  proof  that  supports  your  theory  on  HOW  and  IMHO,  forum  is  a  place  to  share  knowledge  and  nothing  else.
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 apply  common  sense,  it  can  be  bought.    Cheering  
 
 water  passes  through  many  channels  =  more  dissolved  solids  =  more  CHANCES  for  bacteria.
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 Alrite!
 Applying  common  sense,  
 passage  through  more  channels  =  more  dissolved  solids  because  i  have  limestone  and  other  mineral  deposits  in  those  layers.
 passage  through  more  channels  not  =    more  CHANCES  of  bacteria  because  i  dont    have  bacteria  factories  under.    Applying  more  common  sense,  if  water  passing  through  400  feet  of  soil  &  rocks  has  more  CHANCES  of  carrying  bacteria  along,  then  river  water  ie.,  tap  water  that  we  use  in  India  that  flows  kilometers,  would  have  more  CHANCES  of  flushing  more  bacteria  with  it.    To  be  precise  i  dont  believe  in  CHANCES  rather  i  believe  in  FACTS.
 All  my  discus  are  inFACT  living  in  that  very  water  for  years  and  they  didn't  have  a  CHANCE  of  being  infected.
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 Arpan,  for  the  last  time,
 
                   Just  because  water  flows  through  channels  does  not  mean  it  will  pick  up  bacteria.  Infact,  bacteria  will  not  even  grow  below  a  certain  soil  depth.
 
 FWIW,  I've  drunk  water  straight  from  the  tap/well  and  am  yet  to  come  down  with  anything.
 
 The  rash  of  HUMAN  diseases  during  the  monsoons  is  due  to  water  being  contaminated  by  sewage/garbage,  plain  and  simple.
 
 Bacterial  blooms  in  aquaria  are  due  to  a  surfeit  of  nitrogenous  wastes...  this  is  more  due  to  negligence  on  the  part  of  the  aquarist  than  anything  else.
 
 And,  incase  you  did  not  know,  the  water  that  comes  out  of  your  tap  has  to  pass  certain  standards,  one  of  which  stipulates  no  bacterial  contamination.
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