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 i  ve  searched  the  net  for  the  oils  and  their  properties  in  fighting  diseases  in  fish  but  have  found  nothing  worth...
 Even  tried  "essential  oils"...
 Pls  post  a  link..  or  more  info  on  how  to  ..like  dosing  in  feed  or  in  water  etc..
 
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 Sorry  Neil  I  did  not  see  the  Olive  Oil  and  Eucalyptus  oil  part.
 I'll  read  up  on  this.
 
 Rama,  getting  the  Olive  Oil  and  Eucatlyptus  oil  recipe  is  one  thing,  now  please  tell  us  how  you  used  it?  Did  you  Add  it  straight  to  the  water?  Did  the  oil  float  and  cut  off  O2  exchange?
 
 I  am  seriously  getting  into  discus  next  year,  and  I  want  as  much  info  database  as  I  can  have.
 
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 Did  the  oil  float  and  cut  off  O2  exchange?
 
 I  am  seriously  getting  into  discus  next  year,  and  I  want  as  much  info  database  as  I  can  have.
 
 TIA!                

 
 That  is  what  i  m  thinking  how  will  the  oils  effect  if  they  just  float  on  water  and  till  i  know  as  i  said  earlier  they  will  make  a  film  on  the  surface  thus  interfering  o2  exchange...
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 [quote]  The  pure  allicin  can  be  stored  for  months  without  losing  its  effectiveness.  In  contrast,  allicin  extracted  normally  loses  its  beneficial  properties  within  hours  because  it  begins  to  react  with  garlic's  other  components  as  soon  as  the  clove  is  crushed.[/unquote]
 
 [quote]Aged  garlic  extract,  which  contains  no  allicin  or  allicin-derived  compounds,  was  found  in  vitro  to  have  no  anticandidal  or  other  antifungal  activity.  (Hughes  &  Lawson,  1991)[/unquote]
 
 I  now  find  the  reason  for  Jack  Wattley  insisting  on  using  only  freshly  crushed  garlic  mixed  with  the  food  each  day.  He  has  been  repeatedly  very  specific  about  this  in  the  many  replies  he  gives  on  his  column  in  TFH,  which  I  have  read  numerous  times  over  the  years.  I  now  have  the  reason.  I  was  always  wondering  about  the  reason  as  he  seemed  anal  about  it.
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 Eucalyptus  Oil  in  water  at  room  temperature  forms  a  kind  of  a  mucus  layer  on  the  top.
 
 This  can  be  noticed  when  doing  steam  inhalation.    In  boiling  water  the  oil  mixes  well  but  once  it  cools  down  it  forms  a  think  layer  on  top.    We  definitely  cant  have  boiling  water  for  our  fishes.
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 What  a  relief...  I  thought  I  was  the  only  one  confused  about  this  supposedly  ayurvedic  medication  which  everyone  was  aware  about!!  Cmmon  Rama  tell  us  how  u  did  it  and  where  did  u  get  this  medication??  Eyebrow  Eyebrow  Eyebrow  Eyebrow
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 Hi  All:
 
 Sincere  apologies  for  the  late  reply...
 The  suggested  medication  is  like  this...
 
 Add  a  drop  of  Clove  Oil  and  Eucalyptus  Oil  to  500ml  boiling  water  in  a  closed  container...
 Allow  this  to  cool  down  to  about  35dC...
 Pour  this  to  50lts  of  aquarium  water...
 
 I  had  used  this  during  an  epidemic  break  of  ICH  in  my  discus  tank...
 This  did  a  complete  clean-over  of  the  tank...
 
 
                                                 
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Clove  kills  intestinal  parasites  and  exhibits  broad  antimicrobial  properties  against  fungi  and  bacteria  supporting  its  traditional  use  as  a  treatment  for  diarrhea,  intestinal  worms,  and  other  digestive  ailments                

 Link  1
 
 
                                                 
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Eucalyptus  oil  is  has  strong  germicidal  and  disinfectant  properties...Eucalyptus  oil  is  an  effect  analgesic  and  is  often  used  as  a  pain  reliever.                

 Link  2
 
 The  above  articles  don't  speak  of  its  effects  on  fishes...
 
 I  did  advocate  this  to  Rama  for  cleansing  his  tanks...Unfortuantely  he  got  it  wrong  (Olive  Oil)...
 
 The  basis  of  this  medication:
 Personally,  I  believe  in  Herbal  Medication  as  most  of  them  don't  cause  harmful  (side)  effects...either  in  Humans  OR  in  pets...And  before  getting  into  any  sort  of  strong  medication,  I'll  first  try  with  herbal  medication...at  least  it  doesn't  make  a  fish  sterile...
 
 I'm  ready...with  a  bat...  Chuckle


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 Nag,
 
 Seriously,  I  doubt  your  application  of  Clove  oil  and  Eucalyptus  oil  cured  ICH.
 
 In  the  absence  of  a  controlled  study  I  cannot  come  to  any  other  conclusion.
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I  did  advocate  this  to  Rama  for  cleansing  his  tanks...Unfortuantely  he  got  it  wrong  (Olive  Oil)...  
 
                 

 Good  ...  he  didnt  use  mineral  oil...  Chuckle  
 
 subu  was  even  getting  positive  results  with  the  olive  oil  though...  Smile  
 
 Good  inputs  by  rrsriram..  Smile    i  agree  on  the  film  part  not  tried  anything  else..
 
 So  bottom  line..  qs  is  the  right  med  for  this..am  i  getting  it  right???
 
 Can  u  pls  give  us  the  dosage  ...
 
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 [quote]I  am  seriously  getting  into  discus  next  year,  and  I  want  as  much  info  database  as  I  can  have.  
 
 
 Welcome  Madan,  to  the  world  of  Discus.
 
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nag  wrote:                

 
 I  did  advocate  this  to  Rama  for  cleansing  his  tanks...Unfortuantely  he  got  it  wrong  (Olive  Oil)...
 
 The  basis  of  this  medication:
 Personally,  I  believe  in  Herbal  Medication  as  most  of  them  don't  cause  harmful  (side)  effects...either  in  Humans  OR  in  pets...And  before  getting  into  any  sort  of  strong  medication,  I'll  first  try  with  herbal  medication...at  least  it  doesn't  make  a  fishes  sterile...
 
 I'm  ready...with  a  bat...  Chuckle                

 
 Nag  &  all,
 
 Just  found  that  i  have  been  misquoting  clove  oil  as  olive  oil!!!    Oops  As  suggested  by  Nag,  i  have  been  using  a  mix  of  clove  &  eucalyptus  oils  and  find  the  fishes  much  better  after  that.
 
 Sorry  for  the  wong  quote  about  olive  oil.  Must  say  that  even  i  dont  advocate  very  strong  medication  for  the  fishes.  The  garlic  extract  is  a  superb  medicine  for  the  fish.  Rock On  
 
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 Just  found  that  i  have  been  misquoting  clove  oil  as  olive  oil!!!                    

 
 
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In  the  absence  of  a  controlled  study  I  cannot  come  to  any  other  conclusion.                

 
 True  Madan...
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 Nag,  care  to  mention  what  temperature  your  tank  was  at  when  you  tried  out  the  oil  treatment?  And  how  long  it  took  for  the  ich  to  subside?
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 Yes  Rahul:
 
 30dC,  two  days...
 All  physical  evidence  was  clear,  no  ICH...
 
 But,  just  to  be  on  the  safer  side,  I  did  continue  the  treatment  for  a  week...
 During  this  time  regular  WCs  of  50%  were  carreid  out  once  in  a  day...
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