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i ve searched the net for the oils and their properties in fighting diseases in fish but have found nothing worth...
Even tried "essential oils"...
Pls post a link.. or more info on how to ..like dosing in feed or in water etc..
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Madan
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Sorry Neil I did not see the Olive Oil and Eucalyptus oil part.
I'll read up on this.
Rama, getting the Olive Oil and Eucatlyptus oil recipe is one thing, now please tell us how you used it? Did you Add it straight to the water? Did the oil float and cut off O2 exchange?
I am seriously getting into discus next year, and I want as much info database as I can have.
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Did the oil float and cut off O2 exchange?
I am seriously getting into discus next year, and I want as much info database as I can have.
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That is what i m thinking how will the oils effect if they just float on water and till i know as i said earlier they will make a film on the surface thus interfering o2 exchange... |
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[quote] The pure allicin can be stored for months without losing its effectiveness. In contrast, allicin extracted normally loses its beneficial properties within hours because it begins to react with garlic's other components as soon as the clove is crushed.[/unquote]
[quote]Aged garlic extract, which contains no allicin or allicin-derived compounds, was found in vitro to have no anticandidal or other antifungal activity. (Hughes & Lawson, 1991)[/unquote]
I now find the reason for Jack Wattley insisting on using only freshly crushed garlic mixed with the food each day. He has been repeatedly very specific about this in the many replies he gives on his column in TFH, which I have read numerous times over the years. I now have the reason. I was always wondering about the reason as he seemed anal about it. |
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| Posted: Tue Aug 23, 2005 10:30 pm Post subject: |
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Eucalyptus Oil in water at room temperature forms a kind of a mucus layer on the top.
This can be noticed when doing steam inhalation. In boiling water the oil mixes well but once it cools down it forms a think layer on top. We definitely cant have boiling water for our fishes. |
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What a relief... I thought I was the only one confused about this supposedly ayurvedic medication which everyone was aware about!! Cmmon Rama tell us how u did it and where did u get this medication??  |
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| Posted: Wed Aug 24, 2005 3:38 pm Post subject: |
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Hi All:
Sincere apologies for the late reply...
The suggested medication is like this...
Add a drop of Clove Oil and Eucalyptus Oil to 500ml boiling water in a closed container...
Allow this to cool down to about 35dC...
Pour this to 50lts of aquarium water...
I had used this during an epidemic break of ICH in my discus tank...
This did a complete clean-over of the tank...
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Clove kills intestinal parasites and exhibits broad antimicrobial properties against fungi and bacteria supporting its traditional use as a treatment for diarrhea, intestinal worms, and other digestive ailments
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Eucalyptus oil is has strong germicidal and disinfectant properties...Eucalyptus oil is an effect analgesic and is often used as a pain reliever.
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The above articles don't speak of its effects on fishes...
I did advocate this to Rama for cleansing his tanks...Unfortuantely he got it wrong (Olive Oil)...
The basis of this medication:
Personally, I believe in Herbal Medication as most of them don't cause harmful (side) effects...either in Humans OR in pets...And before getting into any sort of strong medication, I'll first try with herbal medication...at least it doesn't make a fish sterile...
I'm ready...with a bat...  |
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Nag,
Seriously, I doubt your application of Clove oil and Eucalyptus oil cured ICH.
In the absence of a controlled study I cannot come to any other conclusion. |
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I did advocate this to Rama for cleansing his tanks...Unfortuantely he got it wrong (Olive Oil)...
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Good ... he didnt use mineral oil...
subu was even getting positive results with the olive oil though... 
Good inputs by rrsriram.. i agree on the film part not tried anything else..
So bottom line.. qs is the right med for this..am i getting it right???
Can u pls give us the dosage ...
Tia.. |
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[quote]I am seriously getting into discus next year, and I want as much info database as I can have.
Welcome Madan, to the world of Discus.
Sriram |
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| Posted: Wed Aug 24, 2005 5:11 pm Post subject: |
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| nag wrote:
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I did advocate this to Rama for cleansing his tanks...Unfortuantely he got it wrong (Olive Oil)...
The basis of this medication:
Personally, I believe in Herbal Medication as most of them don't cause harmful (side) effects...either in Humans OR in pets...And before getting into any sort of strong medication, I'll first try with herbal medication...at least it doesn't make a fishes sterile...
I'm ready...with a bat...
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Nag & all,
Just found that i have been misquoting clove oil as olive oil!!!  As suggested by Nag, i have been using a mix of clove & eucalyptus oils and find the fishes much better after that.
Sorry for the wong quote about olive oil. Must say that even i dont advocate very strong medication for the fishes. The garlic extract is a superb medicine for the fish. 
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Just found that i have been misquoting clove oil as olive oil!!!
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| Posted: Wed Aug 24, 2005 5:51 pm Post subject: |
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| Madan wrote:
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In the absence of a controlled study I cannot come to any other conclusion.
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True Madan... |
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| Posted: Wed Aug 24, 2005 8:51 pm Post subject: |
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| Nag, care to mention what temperature your tank was at when you tried out the oil treatment? And how long it took for the ich to subside? |
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Yes Rahul:
30dC, two days...
All physical evidence was clear, no ICH...
But, just to be on the safer side, I did continue the treatment for a week...
During this time regular WCs of 50% were carreid out once in a day...
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