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PostPosted: Sun May 03, 2009 9:27 am Post subject: THe best advise given to me by an old timer. Reply with quote

 Like  most  people  I  spent  my  first  month  flushing  a  few  fish  down  the  toilet  on  a  regular  basis.
 My  fish  tank  smelt  like  a  Public  uniranl  and  the  watter  was  dirty.
 
 If  I  did  regular  watter  change.  I  too  started  smelling.  It  felt  like  the  smell  had  soaked  into  you.
 
 The  LFS  it  would  seem  is  happy  that  your  tank  is  in  this  state  because  you  will  keep  buying  fish  from  him.
 If  you  ask  them  for  help.  The  only  thing  they  will  tell  you  is  Sahib  tumar  watter  naid  set  hooa.
 
 Anyway  here  are  the  tips  I  got.
 
 a.  First  fill  your  tank  and  setup  your  land  scape.  Rocks  plants  etc.  
 b.  First  48  hour  do  not  put  in  any  fish.
 c.  After  the  first  48  hours.  Get  the  cheapest  fish  you  can  find  or  feeder  fish  and  stock  the  tank  with  them.
 This  is  the  opp.  to  what  most  first  timers  do.  Which  is  go  and  pick  the  most  fancy  and  costlly  fish  in  the  shop.
 Avoid  anything  which  is  more  than  Rs  40/-  per  pair.
 d.  Do  not  add  any  meds  to  your  main  tank.  Dont  ask.  I  did  and  wiped  out  all  my  bacteria.
 e.  Always  keep  a  quarantine  tank.  i.e.  any  new  fish  you  get.  Put  them  into  this  tank  with  some  meds  and  watch  them  for  48  hours.  Yellow  Med  and  Green  med  is  good  to  clean  them  up.
 f.  Keep  smelling  your  water.  First  it  will  smell  like  a  public  toilet  (High  Amonia).  Then  the  smell  will  start  to  change.  When  the  watter  is  crystal  clear  and  it  smells  like  freshly  fallen  rain.  An  earthy  muddy  smell  its  set.  Then  add  what  ever  fish  you  want.
 g.  Try  and  keep  at  least  a  few  plants.  In  your  tank.
 h.  Avoid  direct  sunlight  if  you  cant  then  put  a  dark  blanket  over  the  tank.
 i.  If  you  get  Algae  Bloom  water  change  and  dark  out  is  your  only  option.
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PostPosted: Sun May 03, 2009 11:02 am Post subject: Re: THe best advise given to me by an old timer. Reply with quote

 I  don't  agree  about  a  few  points.  48  hours  is  too  low  for  a  tank  to  establish  bacterial  colony.  7  days  is  minimum  ,  I  prefer  to  not  add  fishes  before  2  weeks.
 
 And  the  spelling  is  '  water  '  and  not  '  watter  '.  This  was  certainly  not  a  typo  as  you  used  the  same  spelling  everywhere.  
 
 I  started  of  with  Angels  of  Rs.  100  a  pair  ,  they  are  still  alive  and  going  great.  If  tank  is  established  correctly  and  hobbyist  does  his  duty  sincerely  ,  then  why  should  he  not  get  expensive  fish  ,  if  he  can  afford  one  ?
 
 Water  should  never  smell  like  public  toilet  i.e  high  ammonia,   if  it  was  allowed  to  establish  for  2  weeks,  before  adding  fish.
 
 Crystal  clear  water  does  not  mean  the  water  is  of  very  good  quality  !  A  crystal  clear  can  be  really  bad  for  fish  (  say  it  contains  chlorine  ).  And  a  cloudy  water  does  not  also  mean  it  is  bad  for  fish.  Maybe  with  a  cloudy  water,  quality  is  fine  for  fish,  it  just  has  bacterial  /  algea  bloom.
 
 The  person  who  told  you  was  most  probably  also  a  novice.   Chuckle
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PostPosted: Sun May 03, 2009 7:49 pm Post subject: Re: THe best advise given to me by an old timer. Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Mon May 04, 2009 1:15 am Post subject: Re: THe best advise given to me by an old timer. Reply with quote

                                                   
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I  don't  agree  about  a  few  points.  48  hours  is  too  low  for  a  tank  to  establish  bacterial  colony.  7  days  is  minimum  ,  I  prefer  to  not  add  fishes  before  2  weeks.
 
 And  the  spelling  is  '  water  '  and  not  '  watter  '.  This  was  certainly  not  a  typo  as  you  used  the  same  spelling  everywhere.  
 
 I  started  of  with  Angels  of  Rs.  100  a  pair  ,  they  are  still  alive  and  going  great.  If  tank  is  established  correctly  and  hobbyist  does  his  duty  sincerely  ,  then  why  should  he  not  get  expensive  fish  ,  if  he  can  afford  one  ?
 
 Water  should  never  smell  like  public  toilet  i.e  high  ammonia,   if  it  was  allowed  to  establish  for  2  weeks,  before  adding  fish.
 
 Crystal  clear  water  does  not  mean  the  water  is  of  very  good  quality  !  A  crystal  clear  can  be  really  bad  for  fish  (  say  it  contains  chlorine  ).  And  a  cloudy  water  does  not  also  mean  it  is  bad  for  fish.  Maybe  with  a  cloudy  water,  quality  is  fine  for  fish,  it  just  has  bacterial  /  algea  bloom.
 
 The  person  who  told  you  was  most  probably  also  a  novice.   Chuckle                

 i  dont  think  he  is  wrong  about  adding  cheap  fish.  that  is  cycling  the  tank  with  fish.  and  what  you  did  was  fishless  cycling  and  7  days  is  too  less  for  fishless  cycling  too.  rest  of  the  points  he  mentioned  were  fine.  apart  from  the  smell.i  have  never  had  a  tank  smell  like  a  toilet  to  me.i  dont  think  fish  can  survive  and  nor  can  the  people  in  the  house.  ROFL
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PostPosted: Mon May 04, 2009 1:17 am Post subject: Re: THe best advise given to me by an old timer. Reply with quote

 and  you  last  point  about  algae  bloom  was  wrong.  dark  out  is  not  the  only  option.  you  can  always  get  algae  eaters  or  you  can  scrape  the  algae  out  mechanically.  there  are  also  meds  available  to  remove  the  algae.
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PostPosted: Mon May 04, 2009 1:39 am Post subject: Re: THe best advise given to me by an old timer. Reply with quote

 depends  on  the  kind  of  algae.
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PostPosted: Mon May 04, 2009 5:43 am Post subject: Re: THe best advise given to me by an old timer. Reply with quote

 Cmon  guys  patience  plays  a  very  important  role  in  this  hobby!!
 
 I   think  7  days  is  enuf  with  a  filter  from  an  established  tank.
 
 Algae  boom  can  be  wiped  out  using  those  magnetic  tank  cleaners  followed  by  WC.
 
 Even  if  its  cheap!  its  still  a  fish!  Thumb Down
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PostPosted: Tue May 05, 2009 11:50 am Post subject: Re: THe best advise given to me by an old timer. Reply with quote

 I  had  posted  a  long  reply  but  it  didn't  post   Sad  
 
 My  post  basically  said
 1.  To  the  guy  rocking  his  own  boat  correcting  my  spellings  does  that  mean  I  dont  get  a  silver  star  from  teacher   Sad  
 2.  He  did  say  min  2  weeks  but  you  know  nobody  will  listen.  2  Days  with  sand  or  filter  media  from  an  established  tank  is  better  than  nothing.
 
 
 To  those  patting  them  self's  on  their  backs  about  how  they  never  lost  a  single  fish.  Waited  1  month  or  x  weeks  to  add  fish.  Pat  your  self  on  your  back  again.  But  we  all  know  that  over  90%  of  people  starting  in  this  hobby  how  they  start  and  what  happens.
 
 Not  everybody  has  access  to  google  or  is  bothered  to  chk.
 
 ANyway  here  is  a  really  good  link  I  found  it  to  be  better  than  any  info  to  be  found  on  the  net  or  forum.
 
 http://www.aquarticles.com/articles/management/Lawler_Checklist_Setting_up_tank.html
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 Hi  Chinoy,
 
 There  are  a  lot  of  things  that  people  try  and  get  away  with  it,  may  be  that  particular  fish  was  hardy,  may  be  the  species  you  picked  up  is  hardy  and  many  more  may  be's.
 
 Like  I  mentioned  some  time  back,  I  have  kept  fish  for  10  years  as  a  kid,  and  I  had  a  few  live  for  years  with  me.  I  remember  an  Eel  (I  never  knew  which  one,  but  I  used  to  call  it  Snake  Fish)  which  stayed  with  me  for  3  years  in  a  glass  jar.  Does  that  make  me  an  expert?  Or  the  fish  an  expert?  In  being  a  fighter  and  surviving.  I  hate  myself  when  I  think  of  all  that.
 
 Fishless  cycling  is  always  important,  this  is  what  is  said  in  all  forums.  In  case   you  are  using  bio  filteration  material,  using  bacteria  seed  and  all  those,  two  days  will  also  do,  but  remember,  as  soon  as  you  add  fish,  ammonia  levels  should  go  down  towards  zero  (if  not  zero)  immediately.
 
 I  agree  with  Sameer,  whether  cheap  or  not,  fish  is  fish,  preferably  try  not  to  sacrifice  a  few  fish  for  your  experiments.  
 
 As  far  as  setting  up  the  tank  goes,  hardscape  and  planting  goes  first  and  filling  water  next
 
 You  can  have  bare  bottom  tanks  and  tanks  with  only  gravel  /  pebbles  etc.  plants  are  not  a  must,  it  is  your  choice  and  the  suitability  with  many  fish  needs  to  be  examined.
 
 Water  never  smells  bad  if  it  is  in  good  shape.  It  only  has  a  very  very  slight  fishy  smell  to  it.
 
 There  are  a  lot  of  real  old  timers  on  this  forum  and  they  have  documented  all  this  before.  All  of  us  newbie's  ask  these  questions  again  (I  have  done  the  same  thing  too,  so  dont  worry  about  being  the  only  one).  Try  searching  the  forum  and  you  will  find  amazing  details  which  will  help  you  avoid  a  lot  of  heartburn  (when  you  see  fish  die).
 
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PostPosted: Tue May 05, 2009 10:17 pm Post subject: Re: THe best advise given to me by an old timer. Reply with quote

 What  I  ,  as  a  beginner  too  ,  know  is  that  fishless  cycling  is  more  important  than  cycling  with  fish.
 Where  is  my  fault  if  I  correct  one's  spelling  ?
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 18, 2009 12:52 am Post subject: Re: THe best advise given to me by an old timer. Reply with quote

 Everybody  take  a  chill  pill.  Atleast  someone  has  tried  to  make  the  basics  clear  for  all  newbies  to  follow.  Commendable  job  done  Chinoy,  and  I  don't  much  care  about  spelling  mistakes  here  -  this  is  not  a  grammar  forum.  Some  of  the  points  mentioned  by  you  are  worth  their  weight  in  gold.  Perhaps  I  am  not  a  self  acclaimed  expert  at  fish  keeping,  after  all  I  have  had  aquariums  since  1975  only,   I  can  relate  to  your  thoughts.
 
 Thanks  again  Chinoy,  on  behalf  of  all  newbies  (myself  included)  -  good  post  and  good  logic  (some  fine  tuning  required  -  depending  on  person  to  person)  overall.  
 
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 18, 2009 2:07 am Post subject: Re: THe best advise given to me by an old timer. Reply with quote

 hey  Chinoy  thanks  for  sharing  the  advise  Thumb Up
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 18, 2009 2:31 am Post subject: Re: THe best advise given to me by an old timer. Reply with quote

 Great  Post  Chinoy  -  Thanks  for  caring  and  for  the  effort  to  help  beginners  like  myself.  Great  job  done  !   Thumb Up


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