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PostPosted: Tue Jun 09, 2009 7:57 pm Post subject: Taking first step in planted aquarium world-Update Reply with quote

 Hi  All,
 
 After  seeing  your  planted  snaps  and  little  bit  of  reading,  I  am  bitten  by  this  planed  aquarium  bug   Dancing  .  So  I  am  starting  this  journey  with  low  tech  small  setup.  I  need  all  your  support  &  suggestions.  Below  are  details  of  my  plan.
 
 Tank  Dimension     :  24x15x15  (will  be  getting  by  this  weekend)
 Tank  Capacity         :  23.38  Gallons  /  89  Liters  approx.
 Lighting                       :  “36w  x  3”  or  “54w  x  1  +  36w  x  1”  (please  suggest  which  one  will  suite  for  my  setup)  
 Filtration                     :  HOB  SUNSUN  HBL-701  II  600L/H  approx.  6x  (Is  this  sufficient)  
 Substrate                    :  laterite  +  peat  moss  +  gravel  (Can  I  use  red  soil  which  is  used  for  normal  plants  instead  of  Laterite  &  where  can  I  source  this  Peat  moss  or  if  anyone  has  extra  to  spare  I  am  ready  to  borrow)
 Hardscape                  :  Driftwood  &  Rock’s
 Hood                :  DIY  (Tango’s  idea  if  I  get  Depron  sheets  here)
 CO2                               :  DIY  (for  diffusing  please  suggest  powerhead  or  glass  diffuser)
 Dosing                          :  If  required
 Fish              :  Will  think  later.
 Plants                            :  Right  now  in  mind  Anubias,  Java  Moss,  Java  Fern  (please  suggest  others  small  plants,  grass  for  foreground  as  I  am  still  not  aware  of  the  names)
 
 And  my  big  doughty   Wall Bang  do  I  need  to  plant  before  cycling  the  tank  or  after  cycling  I  should  plant.
 
 Please  bear  with  me  as  this  is  my  first  planted  tank.
 
 Thanks  in  advance,
 -Vishwa.


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 09, 2009 9:07 pm Post subject: Re: Taking first step in planted aquarium world Reply with quote

 The  lighting  is  too  high  for  a  low  tech  setup  with  the  plants  you  have  in  mind  apart  from  Hair  Grass,  would  suggest  go  with  1  x  54  Watts,  keep  provision  in  the  hood  to  hit  another  1  x  54  Watts  in  case  you  decide  to  convert  to  high  tech  in  the  future.  Go  in  for  PLL  Lamps.
 
 DIY  CO2  diffusing:  Go  with  a  reactor,  Diffuser  needs  a  lot  of  pressure  to  pump  CO2  through  it.
 
 Rest  seems  Ok.
 
 You  set  up  your  tank  fully  then  let  it  cycle,  you  need  to  read  up  more  Vishwa  ....  Cycling  a  tank  is  the  most  basic  stuff   Smile
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 09, 2009 9:21 pm Post subject: Re: Taking first step in planted aquarium world Reply with quote

 Dear  Vishwa,
 I  second  Seetharam.Lighting  is  too  high.Perhaps  its  better  to  start  with  55  watts  pll.Osram  EX-D  is  a  good  choice.Peat  moss...  Unsure  just  give  only  a  handful.Or  it  will  spell  doom  for  you.And  remember  its  much  tougher  to  maintain  balance  in  a  smaller  tank  than  in  a  larger  one.You  won't  have  even  a  single  chance  of  doing  a  mistake.So  as  I  learnt  from  the  veterans,I  would  ask  you  if  possible  to  go  for  a  bigger  tank.The  rest  you'll  come  to  know  from  the  veterans  of  Bangalore.Its  heaven  for  planted  tanks  in  India.The  biggest  guns  are  there.Meet  them  and  they  will  unfold  all  their  secrets  to  you.Best  of  Luck.Wish  you  all  the  siuccess  for  even  I  am  as  novice  as  you  are.  Thumb Up
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 09, 2009 10:28 pm Post subject: Re: Taking first step in planted aquarium world Reply with quote

 Thanks  Seetharam  &  Abhishek  for  your  kind  replies.
 
 @  Seetharam:  Than  will  go  with  1  x  54  watt  and  keep  a  place  for  one  more  for  future.  I  have  seen  Co2  diffuser  and  reactor  in  LFS  is  this  the  same  what  you  are  mentioned  or  only  reactor.
 
 @  Abhishek:  Right  now  I  am  going  with  the  available  space  and  also  when  I  gain  knowledge  in  this,  will  go  for  a  bigger  one.
 
 Instead  of  PLL  can  I  get  2  feet  T5HO  tubes,  IMO  tubes  will  be  full  length  and  can  distribute  the  light  for  tank.
 
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 09, 2009 10:33 pm Post subject: Re: Taking first step in planted aquarium world Reply with quote

 Ofcourse  its  always  better  to  go  for  T5Ho  tubes...In  that  case  you  will  require  two  24  watts  T5s.Well  its  always  better  to  start  witha  bigger  tank  in  case  of  planted  as  you  will  have  enough  time  to  rectify  mistakes.In  small  tanks  you  won't  have  that  chance.It  was  just  an  opinion  from  another  novice  like  you.Anyways  best  of  luck...dude  Thumb Up   Thumb Up   Thumb Up
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 09, 2009 11:23 pm Post subject: Re: Taking first step in planted aquarium world Reply with quote

 Thanks   Abhishek,
 
 Than  will  search  this  T5s,  if  i  dint  get  it  here  than  will  go  for  PLL.  I  also  wish  to  go  for  a  bigger  one  Sad  but  all  my  space  has  been  consumed  by  two  other  tanks.  
 
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 That's  ok.You'll  surely  get  T5Hos.Get  in  touch  with  the  veterans  out  there  in  Bangalore.They  are  pioneers  in  planted  world  in  India.Again  wishing  you  a  very  best  of  luck.
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 Hi  Friends,
 
 After  a  long  wait  I  received  my  tank  today.  Here  is  the  final  setup  plan:
 
 Tank  Dimension     :  24”  x  15”  x  15”
 Tank  Capacity         :  23.38  Gallons  /  89  Liters  approx.  
 Lighting                       :  36w  x  2  Osram  Delux  L  6500k  PLL  
 Filtration                     :  HOB  SUNSUN  HBL-701  II  600L/H  approx.  6x  
 Substrate                    :  laterite  +  river  gravel  
 Hardscape                  :  Drift/Bog  wood  (don’t  know)  &  Rocks
 Hood                               :  Open  top  (dint  find  depron)  
 CO2                              :  DIY  &  for  diffusing  will  use  a  airstone  for  now
 Dosing                          :  Please  suggest  If  required  
 Fish                                :  Cardinal  tetras  
 Plants                           :   Please  suggest  for  foreground,  Middle  &  Background  plants  which  will  suite  for  my  Lowtech  setup.
 
 Right  now  I  am  checking  for  leakages  &  curing  silicon  by  filling  water.   Will  update  photos  once  I  start  my  Hardscape.
 
 Thanks,
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 Suggestions  please.
 
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 Hi  Friends,
 
 Below  I  have  attached  some  photos  of  rocks  &  driftwood.  I  am  new  to  this  hardscape,  please  correct  me  about  placements  to  get  the  best  out  of  what  I  have.
 
 I  have  planned  some  the  plants  for  the  scape  (suggestion  are  welcome)
 Foreground:  Ammania  sp.  'Bonsai'  (in  front  of  driftwood),  
 Middel:   Blyxa  aubertii  /  japonica  
 Background:  Cryotocoryne  (behind  big  rock),  Anubias  minima  (behind  Driftwood),  Hygrophila  polysperma  (Middle)
 Java  moss  &  Anubias  barteri  'Petite'   tied  on  driftwood
 
 Sorry  for  the  bad  quality  of  photos
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 Rocks:
 
 
 Driftwood:
 
 
 Thanks,
 -Vishwa.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 29, 2009 6:30 pm Post subject: Re: Taking first step in planted aquarium world-Update Reply with quote

 Vishwa
 
 Why  not  try  a  center  scape,  place  the  driftwood  in  the  center  and  the  rocks  around  the  base  of  the  driftwood.  When  you  are  laying  the  substrate  make  the  center  higher  and  tapering  down  towards  either  side.  You  could  try  Java  Ferns  in  the  base  of  the  "U"  form  the  driftwood  has.  Tie  Anubias  on  some  small  pieces  of  rock  and  place  it  at  the  base  of  the  driftwood.  Moss  on  the  Driftwood  and  stones.
 
 Do  a  double  check  on  the  reqirements  of  the  plants  apart  from  the  ones  mentioned  above  that  you  have  in  mind  before  picking  them.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 29, 2009 7:54 pm Post subject: Re: Taking first step in planted aquarium world-Update Reply with quote

 Hi  Seetharam,
 
 Thanks  for  your  kind  reply.
 
 Ok  will  change  the  scape  and  upload  photos.  What  do  you  think  about  plants  which  I  have  mentioned  can  be  used  &  available?   I  checked  on  net  and  found  this  can  be  kept  in  lowtech  setup  but  growth  rate  is  very  slow  for  some.  If  any  experienced/tried  guys  give  the  feedback  about  these  plants  it  will  be  a  great  help.
 
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 Out  of  the  plants  you  have  listed  i  have  experience  with  Ferns,  Moss,  Anubias,  Crypts  and  Blyxa  Japonica
 
 Was  never  successful  with  the  Blyxa  Japonica  ....  turns  out  that  it  needs  soft  water  and  my  water  was  hard  hence  this  plant  completely  melted  away.  The  crypts  i  had  in  my  high  tech  setup  were  there  initially  in  my  low  tech  setup  for  about  6  months,  there  they  grew  very  slowly  and  did  not  grow  more  than  6  Inches  tall.  After  i  moved  them  to  my  high  tech  setup  they  grew  extremely  well  within  4  months  and  by  the  end  of  it  when  i  pulled  them  out  the  leaves  had  literally  started  touching  the  surface  of  the  water  which  is  18  Inches  high.
 
 Ferns,  Moss  and  Anubias  do  well  in  Low  tech  setups  but  as  you  mentioned  growth  is  slow.
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 Hi  Seetharam,
 
 I  am  not  in  a  hurry  so  slow  growing  plants  will  not  be  problem  for  me.  
 Then  I  will  drop  Blyxa  Japonica,  Instead  of  this  can  I  use  drawf  grass  (Is  it  correct  name).  For  foreground  can  you  suggest  some  small  plants.
 
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