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PostPosted: Fri Jul 10, 2009 3:40 pm Post subject: Re: Is It An Iwagumi?? Need your Feedback and Criticism Reply with quote

                                                   
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 "Though  these  are  called  rules,  they  are  simply  intended  to  show  the  general  principles  to  which  people  should  adhere.  These  laws  are  not  fixed  and  immutable.  A  stone  by  such  and  such  a  name  need  not  be  placed  here  and  another  there  unless  desired.  They  are  only  suggestions  to  be  developed  appropriately.  People  fettered  by  formal  ideas  should  realize  this  and  strive  to  improve  their  art."                  
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 10, 2009 4:01 pm Post subject: Re: Is It An Iwagumi?? Need your Feedback and Criticism Reply with quote

                                                   
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Hi  T2C  did  you  read  this  one  
 
 http://www.aquajournal.net/na/layout/004/index.html
 
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 Bang  on  Target!   Clapping  Will  love  to  stick  to  my  first  Scape  after  adding  another  rock  at  left  side.   Smile
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 10, 2009 7:27 pm Post subject: Re: Is It An Iwagumi?? Need your Feedback and Criticism Reply with quote

 Tirtha  ....  Good  Choice  
 
 In  my  opinion  the  3:2  Ratio  and  Focal  point  are  the  2  things  which  are  the  most  important,  alignment,  angle,  position  etc  etc  all  depends  on  the  rocks  that  you  have  and  there  is  no  set  guideline  for  these.
 
 All  the  best  for  your  Iwagumi  Project,  Keep  us  posted
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 10, 2009 8:39 pm Post subject: Re: Is It An Iwagumi?? Need your Feedback and Criticism Reply with quote

                                                   
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Hi  T2C  did  you  read  this  one  
 
 http://www.aquajournal.net/na/layout/004/index.html
 
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 Bang  on  Target!   Clapping  Will  love  to  stick  to  my  first  Scape  after  adding  another  rock  at  left  side.   Smile                

 
 Hey  Tirtha,  misread  this  earlier.  You  need  to  move  the  existing  scape  a  bit  to  the  left,  Change  the  angle  of  the  Primary  Stone  a  bit  (Upwards)  to  get  your  focal  point  in  place  and  the  3rd  rock  (same  size  as  the  second  rock)  will  have  to  be  placed  on  the  right  touching  the  Primary  stone  and  in  the  same  angle  as  the  supporting  stone  on  the  left.
 
 And  you  are  done  !!!   Very Happy
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 10, 2009 10:10 pm Post subject: Re: Is It An Iwagumi?? Need your Feedback and Criticism Reply with quote

 I  like  the  second  one.   Chuckle
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 11, 2009 1:33 pm Post subject: Re: Is It An Iwagumi?? Need your Feedback and Criticism Reply with quote

 The  2:3  ration  is  wrt  to  the  tank  size  division  or  rock  size?
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 11, 2009 4:32 pm Post subject: Re: Is It An Iwagumi?? Need your Feedback and Criticism Reply with quote

 Applies  for  both,  even  in  driftwood  layouts,  check  pictures  posted  by  Madan  of  the  tank  setup  by  Amano  in  Aquatika,  you  will  see  the  2:3  Ratio  between  left  and  right  side  respectively
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 12, 2009 1:16 am Post subject: Re: Is It An Iwagumi?? Need your Feedback and Criticism Reply with quote

 2:3  or  3:2  Ratio  is  simplified  version  of  Golden  Ratio  only.  Golden  ratio  is  almost  60:40.   Smile
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 12, 2009 3:44 am Post subject: Re: Is It An Iwagumi?? Need your Feedback and Criticism Reply with quote

 How?  Golden  Ratio  is  2:1  no?  Numbers  ratio  is66.666667-  33.33333
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 12, 2009 11:23 am Post subject: Re: Is It An Iwagumi?? Need your Feedback and Criticism Reply with quote

 http://www.bonsai4me.com/AdvTech/ATGolden%20Section.html  
 
 A  nice  link  which  explains  the  golden  section  in  very  simple  terms.
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How?  Golden  Ratio  is  2:1  no?  Numbers  ratio  is66.666667-  33.33333                

 
 
                                                 
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 2:3  or  3:2  Ratio  is  simplified  version  of  Golden  Ratio  only.  Golden  ratio  is  almost  60:40.   Smile
                 

 
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 15, 2009 2:21 am Post subject: Re: Is It An Iwagumi?? Updated 15.07.09 Reply with quote

 Inspired  by  Madhu's  Natural  Iwagumis  (Thanks  Madhu  for  those  beautiful  shots   Thumb Up  ),  I  took  the  idea  from  the  below  picture,
 
 
 
 
 And  then  mixed  my  own  imagination   Very Happy  
 
 
 
 The  only  technical  point  I  adhere  is,  Main  Rock  tip  should  touch  focal  point  according  to  Golden  ratio.
 
 
 What  you  think  about  it????  Criticism  welcome.  Smile
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 15, 2009 6:44 am Post subject: Re: Is It An Iwagumi?? Updated 15.07.09 Reply with quote

 I  think  Mr  Amano  said  something  about  the  Larger  Rock  on  the  Lt  side
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 15, 2009 10:38 am Post subject: Re: Is It An Iwagumi?? Updated 15.07.09 Reply with quote

 my  2  cents..should  not  all  the  rocks  be  facing  in  one  direction?
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 Yes  and  Madhu's  picture  does  not  have  any  rock  pointing  in  the  opposite  direction.  Your  scape  is  looking  very  nice,  but  if  everybody  keep  doing  the  same  thing,  I  don't  know  how  you  would  feel  after  3  months  of  lots  of  people  having  similar  tanks.  Because  if  you  /  others  add  smaller  rocks  to  make  it  different,  they  are  going  to  get  covered  up  by  plants.
 
 I  read  the  Golden  Ratio  as  shown  by  Camy  in  his  link  (actually  Hayath  sent  me  that  link  by  email).  That  is  well  understood  and  I  appreciate  that  most  of  the  human  population  would  find  something  falling  within  this  ratio  pleasing  to  the  eye.  I  also  understand  that  anything  should  have  a  single  focal  point,  now  about  rocks  pointing  in  different  directions?  there  is  no  general  rule  and  the  link  talking  about  Golden  Ratio  talks  about  Fibonacci  numbers  and  not  about  2:3  anywhere,  so  where  is  that  becoming  applicable  from,  as  you  can  also  apply  5:8  without  making  5  obsure  in  the  layout  or  3:5  and  so  on.
 
 Why  left  should  be  larger,  as  Tirtha  puts  it,  it  can  also  be  3:2.  If  you  remember  a  picture  from  Amano's  presentation  of  rocks  at  the  edge  of  an  ocean  for  an  inspiration  to  an  iwagumi  layout,  all  rocks  pointed  towards  the  sea,  not  one  in  the  other  direction,  so  why  should  one  point  in  the  other  direction.  I  am  only  speaking  out  aloud  about  the  questions  in  my  mind.  Mr.  Amano  has  sparked  off  a  great  interest  in  me  with  respect  to  any  planted  aquarium.  Look  at  nature  and  try  to  replicate  the  essence.  What  he  has  advocated  is  making  me  ask  so  many  questions.  If  it  is  only  aesthetic  sense,  then  wouldn't  it  be  be  better  to  have  10,000  different  looking  layouts  than  having  a  basic,  lets  say  split  river  formation  and  then  two  rocks  pointing  one  way  and  one  the  other.
 
 No  offense  meant  to  anybody  again,  I  am  trying  to  gain  more  knowledge  and  that  is  generally  by  asking  more  questions,  even  if  they  are  stupid  sometimes   Very Happy  
 
 Kindly  bear  with  me
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