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PostPosted: Tue Oct 13, 2009 2:09 pm Post subject: Need Advice on Sump Reply with quote

 Presently  i  am  having  a  tank  L=36  inches,  W=12  inches,  H=22  inches.  
 
 I  am  planning  to  have  another  sump  tank  with  a  measurement  of  L=12  inches,  W=12  inches  and  H=22  inches  kept  just  beside  my  main  tank.
 
 In  my  main  tank  the  water  level  is  kept  at  18  inches.  I  use  a  siphon  pump  to  pump  water  from  my  main  tank  to  the  sump  tank  and  a  powerhead  of  750  L/ph  capacity  to  pump  water  from  my  sump  tank  back  to  my  main  tank.
 
 My  questions  are:
 
 1.  Will  this  process  work  ?
 
 2.  When  there  is  a  power  failure  will  my  sump  tank  overflow.
 
 If  i  am  wrong  kindly  guide  me.
 
 Thanks
 
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 13, 2009 2:22 pm Post subject: Re: Need Advice on Sump Reply with quote

 a  schematic/diagram  would  help.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 13, 2009 4:18 pm Post subject: Re: Need Advice on Sump Reply with quote

 This  would  not  work  as  the  flow  rate  of  powerhead  and  siphon  cannot  be  matched.
 Use  the  overflow  method  for  effective  working.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 13, 2009 4:34 pm Post subject: Re: Need Advice on Sump Reply with quote

 [This  would  not  work  as  the  flow  rate  of  powerhead  and  siphon  cannot  be  matched.  Use  the  overflow  method  for  effective  working.[/quote]
 
 Hi  Saurabh,
 
 I  have  uploaded  the  image  for  the  sump.  Can  you  suggest  me  the  changes  need  to  be  done  for  the  Overflow  method.
 
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 a  schematic/diagram  would  help.                

 
 Hi  Sudhir,
 
 Need  you  advice.
 
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 13, 2009 4:48 pm Post subject: Re: Need Advice on Sump Reply with quote

 Hi  Saurabh,
 
 1)  You  would  need  to  place  the  display  tank  at  a  higher  level  than  the  sump.  Generally,  sumps  are  placed  below  the  display  tank.
 
 2)  You'd  have  to  drill  a  hole  at  least  1  inch  in  diameter,  though  i'd  recommend  1.5.  
 
 Thus  when  display  is  full,  water  would  drain  into  the  sump.  The  display  tank  level  will  remain  more  or  less  constant  and  will  never  drop  below  the  level  of  the  above  mentioned  hole.  Chances  of  flooding  depend  on  the  amount  of  water  you  have  in  the  sump.  Do  not  fill  it  to  the  brim!
 
 You  should  carry  out  the  above  exercise,  fill  water  in  the  sump  etc....  and  then  shut  off  power  to  confirm  that  the  sump  will  not  flood  out.
 
 Hope  this  helps!
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 13, 2009 4:51 pm Post subject: Re: Need Advice on Sump Reply with quote

 Apologies  Saurabh,  the  previous  post  should  be  addressed  to  aribose
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 13, 2009 4:52 pm Post subject: Re: Need Advice on Sump Reply with quote

 Hi  Nonza,
 
 I  don't  have  a  place  below  my  main  tank  to  keep  the  sump.  Thats  why  planning  to  have  it  beside  my  main  tank.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 13, 2009 4:58 pm Post subject: Re: Need Advice on Sump Reply with quote

 Well,
 
 if  you  were  to  drill  in  a  hole  in  your  display,  say  1  inch  below  the  top,  1  inch  for  the  hole,  your  water  level  height  would  20  inches.
 
 if  you  make  a  shorter  sump  below  that  height,  say  about  18  inches,  that  would  work  too.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 13, 2009 5:14 pm Post subject: Re: Need Advice on Sump Reply with quote

 Instead  of  drilling  a  hole  in  my  main  tank,  i  use  a  siphon  pump  and  the  height  of  my  sump  tank  i  keep  it  say  at  18  inches.
 
 Will  it  work.  What  are  the  chances  of  overflowing  of  water  from  my  sump  tank.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 13, 2009 5:18 pm Post subject: Re: Need Advice on Sump Reply with quote

 If  you  go  with  siphoning,  as  long  as  the  inlet  to  the  siphon  is  high  (an  inch  below  the  water  surface  for  example)  flooding  the  sump  will  be  unlikely.
 
 However,  its  almost  impossible  to  match  the  flow  rates  of  the  pump  and  the  siphon.
 
 Alternatively,  you  could  place  the  sump  above  the  display  and  drill  a  hole  again.
 
 Nobody  likes  to  drill  holes,  but  gravity  overflows  are  the  most  stable.
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 Actually  i  want  to  keep  clean  my  bottom  surface  of  the  tank.  If  i  keep  the  siphoning  pump  1  inch  below  the  water  level  than  i  think  it  will  not  solve  my  purpose.
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Instead  of  drilling  a  hole  in  my  main  tank,  i  use  a  siphon  pump  and  the  height  of  my  sump  tank  i  keep  it  say  at  18  inches.
 
 Will  it  work.  What  are  the  chances  of  overflowing  of  water  from  my  sump  tank.                

 
 You  will  be  courting  disaster.  Do  use  the  overflow  method.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 13, 2009 6:04 pm Post subject: Re: Need Advice on Sump Reply with quote

 Hi  Essabe,
 
 Can  you  suggest  me  what  modification  need  to  be  done  for  my  sump  tank.  
 
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 13, 2009 6:20 pm Post subject: Re: Need Advice on Sump Reply with quote

 If  you  want  to  remove  dirt/mulm  from  bottom,  put  the  pump  in  the  tank  and  let  the  water  overflow  from  sump  to  the  tank.
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