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PostPosted: Sat Oct 15, 2005 2:44 pm Post subject: Why are the red hybrids in vogue? Reply with quote

 Hi  all!
 
 Can  somebody  enlighten  me  as  to  why  red  melons,  red  rose,  red  passions,  red  and  white  are  so  much  in  demand.  Is  this  because  they  are  new  strians  or  the  fancy  to  have  a  red  fish  in  the  tank.
 
 I  also  found  an  LFS  guy  selling  turq  fry  at  Rs.15/-  for  thumbnail  size.  IMO  turqs  are  the  most  hardy  and  the  best  discus  strains.  
 
 Beta,  Nag,  Madan,  can  you  please  throw  some  light  on  this  matter.
 
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 Because  they  are  communist  fish  Very Happy  
 
 Jokes  apart!  I  believe  its  just  a  trend...right  now  Albinos,  GE/GL/GLSS  are  the  trend.  
 The  reds  have  become  really  cheap  now,  2-3  years  back  good  Red  Melons  were  more  than  100  S$  but  now  u  can  get  them  for  a  fraction  of  that.
 Rose  Red  is  a  pretty  old  strain  and  Red  Whites  are  dirt  cheap  in  Singapore  too.
 
 I  have  to  agree  with  you!  Turks  Rock  Rock On  
 Just  remember  top  quality  fishes  of  even  old  strains  command  a  good  price,  its  a  pity  that  the  Indian  market  is  filled  with  culls  from  South  East  Asian  Farms.
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 I  think  it  is  the  color  and  the  fact  that  is  is  a  new  fish.
 
 But  the  demand  for  any  fish  that  comes  in  the  market  is  high  and  hence  the  prcie  is  high  .  Eg  :  Frontosa  ,  Blue  morph  (  was  500  a  piece  when  the  first  pieces  arrived  15  years  back)
 
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I  think  it  is  the  color  and  the  fact  that  is  is  a  new  fish.
 
 But  the  demand  for  any  fish  that  comes  in  the  market  is  high  and  hence  the  prcie  is  high  .  Eg  :  Frontosa  ,  Blue  morph  (  was  500  a  piece  when  the  first  pieces  arrived  15  years  back)
 
 Cheers  !
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 Do  you  mean  the  mbuna??  They've  been  available  for  much  longer  than  that  and  for  much  cheaper  Wink
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 Even  I'm  eyeing  for  some  'A'  grade  red  melons  Cool
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 Hi,
 
 At  the  start    in  Mumbai  (  must  be  25  yrs  ago  i  guess)  ,  when  they  had  FIRST  ARRIVED  (  the  big  3.5inches  one)    ,  they  were  sold  at  500  /  piece  in  LFS.  
 
 Now  they  are  avlb  everywhere  thanks  to  the  great  guys  from  Chennai  !!    Rock On  
 
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 Quality  Turqs  are  still  in  demand  and  they  command  a  good  price...
 In  Blue  Solids,  you  can't  have  much  variations  as  compared  to  Red...
 
 The  most  Blue  Solids  are  BDs  and  OGs...and  you  rarely  see  any  spotted  varient  in  Blue...
 Whereas  in  Reds,  the  names  are  endless...
 
 So,  whether  to  display  OR  to  breed  as  hobbyists,  the  most  sought  after  choice  is  Red...as  you  tend  to  get  more  variations...
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Quality  Turqs  are  still  in  demand  and  they  command  a  good  price...
 In  Blue  Solids,  you  can't  have  much  variations  as  compared  to  Red...
 
 The  most  Blue  Solids  are  BDs  and  OGs...and  you  rarely  see  any  spotted  varient  in  Blue...
 Whereas  in  Reds,  the  names  are  endless...
 
 So,  whether  to  display  OR  to  breed  as  hobbyists,  the  most  sought  after  choice  is  Red...as  you  tend  to  get  more  variations...                

 
 Nag,
 
 Do  you  mean  to  say  that  we  can  use  red  turquoise  as  a  base  to  start  another  strain?
 
 Further,  i  read  that  most  red  strain  fishes  in  south  east  asia  were  fed  hormones.  Is  that  correct?
 
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 Some  breeders  use  hormones,  some  use  astaxanthin,  some  don't  use  either.
 Not  good  to  generalise!
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 Rama,
 
 If  the  example  is  specific;  then  I'd  choose  a  Red  SS...as  the  variants  you  would  get  are  endless...(i.e.,  when  crossed  with  a  spotted  OR  solid)...
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 discusrama  wrote
 
                                                 
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I  also  found  an  LFS  guy  selling  turq  fry  at  Rs.15/-  for  thumbnail  size                

 
 should  definately  say....
 
 Amazing  discounted  price...  as  the  price  must  also  be  including  his  margins  also...
 
 I  would  definately  would  like  to  buy  some..
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 DAMN  15  RUPEES????  HOW  IS  IT  POSSIBLE>>  I  M  SURE  EVEN  THE  IMPORTED  CULLS  WOULD  COST  A  LOT  MORE  THAN  THAT...  MOROEVER  I  DONT  KNOW  ANY  BREEDER  WHO  SELLS  AT  LESS  THAN  30-40  RUPEES  (That  too  at  such  a  tiny  size  where  a  lot  of  the  fish  would  die  in  the  bag  while  shipping)  ....  SO  HOW  THE  HECK  CAN  A  LFS  MANAGE  TO  SELL  AT  THAT  RATE????  
 
 Hey  Rama  did  u  see  the  fish  personally  ??  and  did  they  look  like  discus???  the    i've  heard  of  ppl  being  fooled  in  the  past  by  some  LFS  and  they  have  been  given  young  sevrums  or  scats  at  times  as  discus...    PLEASE  DONT  FALL  FOR  SUCH  GIMMICKS!!!!
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Rama,
 
 If  the  example  is  specific;  then  I'd  choose  a  Red  SS...as  the  variants  you  would  get  are  endless...(i.e.,  when  crossed  with  a  spotted  OR  solid)...
 Bye,                

 
 Exactly  my  thought  too.  I  am  growing  some  snowwhites,  peach  whites,  hifin  blue  diamonds  and  red  turquoise.  Let's  see  when  they  reach  breeding  size.  
 
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DAMN  15  RUPEES????  HOW  IS  IT  POSSIBLE>>  I  M  SURE  EVEN  THE  IMPORTED  CULLS  WOULD  COST  A  LOT  MORE  THAN  THAT...  MOROEVER  I  DONT  KNOW  ANY  BREEDER  WHO  SELLS  AT  LESS  THAN  30-40  RUPEES  (That  too  at  such  a  tiny  size  where  a  lot  of  the  fish  would  die  in  the  bag  while  shipping)  ....  SO  HOW  THE  HECK  CAN  A  LFS  MANAGE  TO  SELL  AT  THAT  RATE????  
 
 Hey  Rama  did  u  see  the  fish  personally  ??  and  did  they  look  like  discus???  the    i've  heard  of  ppl  being  fooled  in  the  past  by  some  LFS  and  they  have  been  given  young  sevrums  or  scats  at  times  as  discus...    PLEASE  DONT  FALL  FOR  SUCH  GIMMICKS!!!!                

 
 I  can  give  you  the  names  of  atleast  ten  breeders  who  are  selling  discus  fry  thumbnail  size  at  prices  varying  from  15-35  each.  You  also  probably  know  most    of  them.  They  dont  like  holding  onto  them  &  growing  them.
 They  would  rather  get  the  next  lot  of  fries  than  hold  up  tanks  for  growing.  
 
 And  yes,  i  saw  the  fishes  being  sold.  They  were  discus  fry.  You  and  me  have  been  in  this  hobby  for  long  to  differentiate  between  discus,  severum,  scats,  angels  etc..
 
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 should  definately  say....
 
 Amazing  discounted  price...  as  the  price  must  also  be  including  his  margins  also...
 
 I  would  definately  would  like  to  buy  some..                

 
 You  please  be  in  touch  with  Mushtaqeem  at  MK  Aquarium  in  Kurla  and  you  may  get  some.  
 
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