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PostPosted: Tue Dec 08, 2009 7:34 pm Post subject: LEGAL ISSUES OF CORALS Reply with quote

 Hi  all,
   Is  possessing  corals  banned  in  INDIA?.I  got  some  info  like  only  SPS  and  hard  corals  are  banned,while  soft  ones  are  allowed.   Is  there  a  procedure  to  get  the  corals  legally??  Maybe  like  importing  from  another  country?  Will  the  corals  imported  be  legal.?.  I  was  curious  because  I  saw  some  pics  of  corals  in  aquarium  of  one  of  the  IAH  member  and  I  think  those  were  imported  ones...
 
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 08, 2009 9:44 pm Post subject: Re: LEGAL ISSUES OF CORALS Reply with quote

 there  have  been  lot  of  similar  topics,  please  do  a  search.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 08, 2009 11:11 pm Post subject: aquacultured are legal Reply with quote

 yeah  i  think  you  can  import  from  america
 anythin  you  want  becouse  they  give  certificate  
 and  they  are  aquacultured
 i  am  bringing  12  kg  of  caribean  live  rock  from  america  next  month
 and  few  frogfwan,hammer,gargonian
 plate  coral  the  most  demanded
 i  only  wanted  mushrooms  as  they  are  not  availabel  in  india  anyware
 its  legal  to  import  aqaucultured  from  america
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 09, 2009 8:53 am Post subject: Re: LEGAL ISSUES OF CORALS Reply with quote

 Deepfishkeeper,  can  you  elaborate  more  on  the  procedures  if  you  have  got  info  on  importing  corals  from  US?  i  think  the  normal  procedure  is  more  of  importing  without  customs  knowledge  Chuckle  smuggling,  than  importing.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 09, 2009 10:02 am Post subject: Re: LEGAL ISSUES OF CORALS Reply with quote

 Mushrooms,  man  they  grow  like  weed  in  my  tank.  I  just  took  out  some  purple  mushrooms  cause  they  were  stinging  my  acros  and  put  them  in  the  refugium.  I  dont  know  if  I  can  mail  them  to  India,  also  the  mailing  is  so  expensive.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 09, 2009 11:24 am Post subject: Re: LEGAL ISSUES OF CORALS Reply with quote

 there  is  a  dry  shipping  method  people  talk  about  in  reefcentral,  can  check  it  out..  and  give  that  a  shot  with  FEDEX..  since  FEDEX  doesnt  carry  anything  with  water,  if  you  can  find  a  way  to  dry  ship  the  corals  then  you  can  ship  it  across  i  suppose..  but  again  this  is  not  proven  to  be  legal  in  India.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 09, 2009 11:42 am Post subject: Re: LEGAL ISSUES OF CORALS Reply with quote

 Hi,
 
 All  shipments  on  FEDEX  will  go  through  customs  scanners.  Since  Fedex  would  pay  custom  duty  on  all  packages  and  then  charge  you  the  same.  That  shipment  will  get  red  flagged  and  invite  trouble.  The  best  way  to  do  this  is  hand  carry  and  get  it  across  the  green  channel.  If  you  are  caught,  be  ready  for  some  money  muscle.
 
 Deepfishkeeper  :  Possessing,  importing,  selling,  farming  and  collecting  corals  of  SPS  /  Hard  skeleton  base  in  india  is  banned,  all  live  stock  in  restricted  areas  are  banned  as  per  the  Indian  Wild  life  act.  Only  legal  entities  with  valid  licenses  for  marine  research  are  allowed  to  import.  No  matter  if  you  have  a  Certificate  of  any  sort.  The  License  must  be  issued  from  the  Directorate,  cleared  by  the  Forest  Department  and  then  your  import  bill  should  be  counter  signed  by  customs.  If  things  were  as  easy,  I  would  have  setup  a  coral  farm  by  now  for  sure  myself.
 
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 09, 2009 6:38 pm Post subject: Re: LEGAL ISSUES OF CORALS Reply with quote

 So  it  is  not  legal  to  ship  corals  to  India?  I  would  not  ship  anything  without  water.  What  they  are  trying  to  do  is  to  save  few  pennies.  People  cover  the  corals  and  anemones  in  wet  news  papers,  they  form  a  mucus  around  them.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 09, 2009 6:52 pm Post subject: Re: LEGAL ISSUES OF CORALS Reply with quote

 This  concept  is  too  bad...  Why  are  Indians  not  allowed  to  have  corals  in  their  aquarium  Sad  .  While  the  entire  reef  is  being  destroyed  by  smugglers.  The  government  is  not  prepared  to  create  a  legal  procedure  for  having  corals...
   If  there  is  a  legal  route,  then  the  entire  volume  of  aquarium  coral  trade  can  be  handled  by  aquacultured  route  in  near  future  and  the  natural  reefs  can  be  saved.
   The  government  should  have  a  more  optimistic  and  far  sighted  view  in  this  regard.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 09, 2009 7:03 pm Post subject: Re: LEGAL ISSUES OF CORALS Reply with quote

 Corals  can  easly  be  aquacultured  for  aquarium  trade.  Look  at  ORA  or  Tyree,  they  are  able  to  come  up  with  some  nice  coral  morphs  so  people  are  not  collecting  them  too  much  from  the  wild.  Trust  me  if  the  business  for  reeftanks  get  big  in  India.  they'll  rape  the  coral  reefs  around  INdia.  I  think  the  govt  need  to  give  permission  to  set  up  aquaculture  facilities  in  India  where  we  can  bring  some  mother  colonies  and  propogate  corals.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 09, 2009 7:16 pm Post subject: Re: LEGAL ISSUES OF CORALS Reply with quote

 I  would  request  members  to  refrain  from  discussing  ways  to  illegally  bring  in  livestock.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 09, 2009 10:14 pm Post subject: Re: LEGAL ISSUES OF CORALS Reply with quote

 Hi,  
 you  guys  will  be  happy  to  know...
 
 me  and  my  friends,   along  with  some  fellow  marine  biologist  are  working  towards  make  marine  trade  legal  in  India.....
 
 
 The  main  reason  is  to  provided  employment  to  local  villages  living  next  to  the  reefs  at  and  when  only  they  can  earn  some  money  they  will  value  it  and  help  conserve!
 
 The  locals  will  be  provided  training  on  harvesting  and  culturing  marine  lifeforms.
 We  have  collected  data  on  the  species  that  are  abundant  in  the  wild  and  sustainable  harvesting  will  not  hamper  the  natural  populations.
 Because  the  blanket  ban  method  is  only  making  things  worse...
 
 what  ever  the  ban  is  there  are  many  traders  who  collect  marine  stuff  on  mega  scales  and  this  way  its  just  causes  major  damage...
 Also,  illegal  smuggling  and  collecting  methods  used  now  are  very  harmful  and  mortality  rates  are  more  than  70%!
 
 Also,  its  a  myth  that  imported  corals  are  much  more  colorful  and  high  quality....
 We  have  some  of  the  best  coral  reefs  around  india  and  most  of  the  corals  that  are  kept  by  reefers  across  the  globe  are  found  here!
 
 Just  imagine  proper  quality  controlled  aquaculturing  farms  where  only  the  first  stock  was  collected,  rest  all  come  from  reproduction,  propagation,  etc.
 The  farms  can  be  mega  ponds  next  to  the  natural  habitat  where  sea  water  is  used  or  floating  cages  on  in  the  sea,  etc.
 
 The  government  can  also  get  good  revenue  for  this...
 Many  countries  are  doing  this  and  this  is  the  only  way  the  trade  can  be  monitored  and  controlled!
 
 This  project  has  been  on  for  a  few  years  now,  we  might  make  it............soon!
 
 
 what  do  you  guys  think?  also  suggest  any  other  innovative  ideas!.....................
 Because  legal  or  illegal.........the  fishes  and  corals  are  being  collected,  so  why  not  in  a  proper  manner!
 
 we  love  the  corals  in  the  sea..............as  well  as  in  the  tank!  Rock On
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 10, 2009 12:03 am Post subject: Re: LEGAL ISSUES OF CORALS Reply with quote

 Yes  many  countries  like  Philippines,  INdonesia,  Maldives  and  pacific  island  nations  are  doing  this.  My  worry  is  how  much  regulation  can  the  govt  place  and  enforce  so  that  the  corals  are  harvested  in  proper  manner.  I  am  sure  there  will  always  be  the  one  person  who  is  willing  to  buy  that  coral  which  is  banned.  Reefing  is  an  expensive  hobby  so  we  can  only  hope  that  people  who  are  serious  about  this  hobby  and  who  are  aware  of  the  importance  of  the  coral  reefs  get  into  it.  
 
 Lycodon,  good  luck  on  your  mission  and  hope  you  succeed  and  keep  us  posted.  I  rarely  buy  any  corals  from  lfs,  I  always  buy  it  from  fellow  reefers  and  most  of  my  corals  are  aquacultured.  Also  Aussie  corals  fetch  far  higher  price  than  Indo  corals.  For  example  an  Aussie  Acan  will  cost  3  time  more  than  an  indo  acan.  People  get  so  much  into  it  they  will  have  lineage  of  the  corals  so  they  can  get  higer  price.  A  similar  looking  coral  will  cost  less  than  a  "Tyree"  coral  cause  of  the  name  and  "LE"  attached  to  it.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 11, 2009 5:59 am Post subject: Re: LEGAL ISSUES OF CORALS Reply with quote

 guys  
 all  these  people  who  says  cant  import
 biggest  lie  ever  herd
 mostly  liers  are  self  cheater  shop  sellers  of  fish(who  sell  dead  fish  to  poor  college  going  customers)
 seen  it  happen  with  me  
 i  bought  a  himu  picasso  trigger  for  2400  and  he  died  after  i  took  of  from  the  shop  30  mintutes
 and  poor  divers  go  through  it
 cant  you  understand  
 importing  aquacultured  is  legal  in  any  law  book  made  for  aqua  animals  
 becouse  auacultured  corals  are  grown  in  captivity
 anyone  can  test  them  
 they  are  frags
 they  are  made  to  remain  in  tank
 and  importing  these  stuff  will  losen  a  little  load  on  our  coasts  
 i  am  i  right  here  guys
 be  happy  they  are  folling  you  ...........
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 WHEN  I  HEARD   THEY  SAY  ALGAES  ARE  NOT  ALLOWED  .....
 I  SMOKED  THE  HOLE  CIGARET  IN  FRONT  OF  HIS  FACE  AND  LAUGHED  GOT  BACK  HOME
 THESE  PEOPLE  DONT  KNOW  WHAT  THEY  SAY
 THEY  JUST  KNOW  THE  FISH  NAME  AND  THATS  IT.....
 THERE  ARE  FEW  SHOPS  IN  DELHI  WHO  GET  STUFF  FROM  DIFFERENT  PLACES  AND  HALF  OF  THEM  DIES  
 THEY  KEEP  ON  STUFFING  ANEMONE  OF  ONLY  ONE  KIND  ...THEY  NEVER  SENSE  THAT  A  CUSTOMER  ALSO  HAS  A  NEED  
 THEY  ALWAYS  THINK  OF  THEMSELVES  
 AND  YOU  KNOW  WHAT  KORAN  ANGELFISH  IS  SOLD  FOR  9000  BUCKS  IN  DELHI
 I  DONT  KNOW  WHICH  FOOLS  TOOK  THAT  OFFER
 I  KNOW  WHY  SHOP  PEOPLE  SAYS  BANNED  BANNNED  EVERYTIME  WE  ASK  THEM  FOR  FEW  PIECES  OF  THAT  ROCK
 BECOUSE  IT  NOT  WORTHWHILE  FOR  THEM  .....AS  THEY  HAVE  TO  CARRY  SUCH  A  BIG  LOAD  FOR  FEW  BUCKS
 THEY  FEEL  CUSTOMER  IS  A  LOAD  AND  MUST  BE  THROWN  OUT  OF  THE  SHOP  AS  ASAP
 YOU  KNWO  WHAT  GUYS  THEY  WANT  MONEY  WITHOUT  GIVING  CUSTOMER  SATISFACTION  AND  RELATION  HANDLING  
 THESE  GUYS  SHOULD  BE  HANDED  OVER  TO  SOME  REHABILATATION  CENTER  ...WHERE  THEY  WILL  LEARN  THE  TRUTH  OF  REMAING  TOGETHER
 HOWEVER  
 EVEN  IF  ONE  GUY  START  THE  FIRE  ...IT  COULD  WARM  MANY  VILAGES  
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