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PostPosted: Fri Jan 15, 2010 7:26 am Post subject: Blackwater to induce spawning???? Reply with quote

 will  it  be  a  good  idea  to  use  blackwater  extract  to  bring  down  the  ph  and  induce  my  breeding  pair  of  discus  to  spawn??
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 15, 2010 8:00 am Post subject: Re: Blackwater to induce spawning???? Reply with quote

 Yeah  why  not?.....discus  originate  from  soft  acidic  blackwater.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 15, 2010 9:52 am Post subject: Re: Blackwater to induce spawning???? Reply with quote

                                                   
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will  it  be  a  good  idea  to  use  blackwater  extract  to  bring  down  the  ph  and  induce  my  breeding  pair  of  discus  to  spawn??                

 Bad  idea  IMO,  even  if  you  succeed  to  gradually  lowering  pH  &  get  parents  spawn  under  such  conditions.
 The  offspring  will  need  to  be  maintained  in  similar  water  chemistry  or  they  are  likely  to  be  victims  of  pH  shock/Swirling  under  regular  water  parameters.
 
 
                                                 
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Yeah  why  not?.....discus  originate  from  soft  acidic  blackwater                

 Correct  but  such  conditions  are  suitable  only  for  wild-caught  discus.
 Its  good  to  have  captive  breds  kept  &  breed  in  regular  water.


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PostPosted: Fri Jan 15, 2010 9:55 am Post subject: Re: Blackwater to induce spawning???? Reply with quote

 Ah  yes...good  point  there  Very Happy
 Thanks  yogesh
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 15, 2010 10:17 am Post subject: Re: Blackwater to induce spawning???? Reply with quote

 Hi  Frank,
 I  never  knew  you  had  a  dicus  tank,  can  you  PM  me  the  link  of  you  discus  tank  photos.
 Thanks  in  advance
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 15, 2010 6:22 pm Post subject: Re: Blackwater to induce spawning???? Reply with quote

 thanks  for  the  reply  friends..
 
 @yogesh:  so,  do  i  let  them  get  acclimatized  to  the  current  water  chemistry  and  wait  for  them  to  spawn..
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 15, 2010 7:04 pm Post subject: Re: Blackwater to induce spawning???? Reply with quote

                                                   
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so,  do  i  let  them  get  acclimatized  to  the  current  water  chemistry  and  wait  for  them  to  spawn..                

 That's  best  way  to  go,  Frank.
 Well  kept  Discus  pair  will  always  breed  in  captivity  (provided  water  is  not  too  hard).
 You  can  place  breeding  cone/plate  for  your  pair  but  really  there  are  no  "external  inducers"  for  breeding  them.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 15, 2010 7:13 pm Post subject: Re: Blackwater to induce spawning???? Reply with quote

 how  long  might  it  take  for  them  to  get  acquainted  to  a  particular  chemistry..
 my  breeding  pair  has  already  given  babies  twice  at  mumbai..
 will  they  breed  again  here  at  my  place??  the  water  has  ph  of  about  6  to  6.5..
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 15, 2010 7:33 pm Post subject: Re: Blackwater to induce spawning???? Reply with quote

 Some  pair  acquaint  within  few  days  while  some  will  take  some  weeks  adjusting  to  new  conditions  .
 Your  water  pH  reading  is  good  for  discus  breeding  and  they  should  breed  at  your  place  once  settled.
 
 I  really  liked  these  crash-course  breeding  tips  drafted  by  Shiva,  you  can  check  them  out.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 15, 2010 7:38 pm Post subject: Re: Blackwater to induce spawning???? Reply with quote

 thanks  a  lot  yogesh..
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 16, 2010 11:59 am Post subject: Re: Blackwater to induce spawning???? Reply with quote

                                                   
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will   it   be   a   good   idea   to   use   blackwater   extract   to   bring   down   the   ph   and   induce   my   breeding   pair   of   discus   to   spawn??                

 
 There  are  various  ways  to  induce  spawning  in  discus  ,  reducing  the  Ph  is  one  of  them  .  But  as  mentioned  by  you  ,  your  water  Ph  is  6.5  which  is  perfect  for  discus  spawning  .  why  do  you  want  to  lower  it  ?,  i  don't  understand  .My  discus  breed  in  water  Ph  7.8  -  8  .  Water  hardness  and  temp  is  equally  important  ,  too  warn  or  too  cold  the  water  is  not  good  for  hatching  .  
 
 
                                                 
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Bad  idea  IMO,  even  if  you  succeed  to  gradually  lowering  pH  &  get  parents  spawn  under  such  conditions.
 The  offspring  will  need  to  be  maintained  in  similar  water  chemistry  or  they  are  likely  to  be  victims  of  pH  shock/Swirling  under  regular  water  parameters.                

 
 Many  a  time  i  had  altered  the   Ph  by  using  phosperic  acid  to  induce  discus  to  spawn  ,  but  once  they  lay  the  eggs  no  adjustment  ,  sudden  change  in  Ph  will  shock  the  discus  ,  but  lowering  or  increasing  Ph  gradually  will  not  shock  the  discus  .  For  new  commer  adjusting  the  Ph  is  not  advisible  .  
 
 
                                                 
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do  i  let  them  get  acclimatized  to  the  current  water  chemistry  and  wait  for  them  to  spawn..                

 
 In  discus  breeding  ,  you  needs  patience  ,  feed  them  well  and  do  good  WC  daily  .  sometime  try  skiping   the  WC  and  do  next  WC  after  2  days  ,  after  2  or  3  days  do  90%  WC  and  see  the  difference  .  
 
 
                                                 
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how  long  might  it  take  for  them  to  get  acquainted  to  a  particular  chemistry..
 my  breeding  pair  has  already  given  babies  twice  at  mumbai..
 will  they  breed  again  here  at  my  place??  the  water  has  ph  of  about  6  to  6.5..                

 
 If  this  pair  is  not  too  old  ,  and  breed  in  Mumbai  recently  ,  it  should  breed  in  your  place  also  .  your  water  Ph  is  perfect  for  discus  breeding  .  feed  earthworms  or  branded  frozen  blood  worms  ,  they  should  spawn  .  
 
 By  the  way  which  is  the  strain  ,  and  what  is  the  size  .  try  to  post  the  pic  of  this  pair  .
 
 
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 16, 2010 12:35 pm Post subject: Re: Blackwater to induce spawning???? Reply with quote

 Its  a  butterfly  pigeon  pair..  the  pair  is  near  2  years  old..  the  male  is  5.5  inches  in  size  and  the  female  is  5  inches..
 
 Here  are  the  pics..
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 For  new  comer  in  discus  breeding,  it  is  advisable  to  grow  a  batch  of  10  -12  discus  from  2.5  inch  to  Adult.  once  they  pair  naturally,  separate  them  and  provide  them  their  own  breeding  tank  .
 During  this  stage  from  young  one  to  adult  ,  you  get  lot  of  things  to  learn  and  understand  their  behavior  ,that  is  important  in  discus  keeping  .
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 i  also  have  other  small  ones..  i've  been  growing  them  from  2  inch..  now  they  are  near  3.5  inch..
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sometime  try  skiping  ┬áthe  WC  and  do  next  WC  after  2  days  ,  after  2  or  3  days  do  90%  WC  and  see  the  difference  .  
                 

 
 i'll  try  to  do  so  sir..  but  wont  this  spike  up  any  chemistry  of  the  water  sir??
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