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PostPosted: Sat Nov 19, 2005 11:01 pm Post subject: ONLY sand substrate, nutrients added in water, will it work? Reply with quote

 Hi  planted  friends!
 Question  is,  
 1)  if  only  regular  "golden  sand"  substrate  is  used,  with  no  kind  of  mixture  like  soil,  peat  etc.etc.  and  nutrients  are  added  in  the  water  column...will  it  promote  plant  growth?
 
 YES,  aware  that  algae  blooms  can  be  expected  due  to  the  nutrients  directly  in  the  water!...BUT...next  question  hence..
 2)  What  if  the  nutrients  are  used  very  sparingly,  and  the  total  system  is  a  LOW  to  MEDIUM  light  system...then  will  this  work?
 
 REASON:  A  friend  set  up  a  substrate  using  red  soil  bottom  layer  with  golden  sand  layer  on  top...6-8  months  later...due  to  the  weight  (probably)  of  the  water...the  golden  sand  actually  started  to  penetrate  and  mix  with  the  soil  !!!
 Just  guess  what  must  be  happening  while  siphoning!!  Sad
 
 
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 I  have  one  of  the  tanks  set  up  like  this.  I  use  a  mixture  of  the  golden  sand  and  white  sand.  Although  the  tank  has  been  setup  only  two  weeks  back,  I  am  getting  good  plant  growth  with  no  algae  problem  till  now.  Also  I  have  not  added  any  fish  to  the  tank  yet.  I  am  using  a  product  called  Tropiflora  from  Waterlife.  Here  is  the  link  to  the  product  I  am  using.
 
 http://www.waterlife.co.uk/waterlife/tropiflora.htm
 
 I  am  getting  good  plant  growth  with  this.  Of  course  last  Saturday  I  also  got  the  Co2  setup  running  thanks  to  the  help  from  Deepak.
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 Hello,
 I  am  an  absolute  novice  when  it  comes  to  planted  tanks  and  I  would  like  to  know  whether  this  "golden  sand"  you  are  referring  to  is  the  same  as  the  sand  used  in  construction  work.  Will  this  particular  type  of  sand  work  as  a  substrate  in  a  planted  tank?
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 Hi  planted  friends!
 No,  the  one  i  am  referring  is  sort  of  yellow  in  colour,  2-3mm  in  grain  size.  It  is  generally  available  in  mumbai  at  fish  shops.
 
 But,  yes,  you  can  surely  use  construction  sand,  DO  WASH  IT  FIRST!  also,  see  to  it  that  no  cement  particles  are  there  in  it!
 A  few  very  reputed  breeders  in  mumbai  use  it  to  grow  stem  plants.
 
 And  thanks  sridhar.
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 I  too  use  construction  sand.  But  it  is  usually  right  off  the  truck  so  it  is  usually  river  sand.  Wasing  it  thoroughly  is  necessary.  I  find  that  by  the  time  it  is  washed  well  and  good  only  about  a  third  to  a  half  of  it  is  left  behind.
 
 By  the  way  aquatic  plants  will  absorb  nutrients  from  the  water  column.  Microsol  B  can  be  absorbed  from  the  surfaces  of  terrestrial  plant  leaves  so  that  should  be  a  breeze  for  aquatics.  These  fertilizers  are  called  "foliars"  for  the  same  reason.
 
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 Hello,
 Do  you  people  use  ONLY  sand  (meaning  no  laterite,  gravel,  or  soil,  etc.)?  Is  only  sand  capable  of  providing  good  growth  for  the  plants  provided  that  light,  co2  and  ferts.  are  OK.
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 Yes.
 
 But  then  my  crypts  are  growing  quite  slender  instead  of  spreading  out.
 
 But  anyway  I  am  not  using  any  laterite  or  soil.  The  vals,  aponogetons,  elodea,  sword  and  cabomba  are  doing  well  enough.  The  anubias  are  quite  new,  about  3  weeks  old  so  I  cant  vouch  for  them.
 
 I  think  Madan  has  pointed  out  in  his  post  on  PMDD  that  while  laterite  is  good  in  providing  a  kind  of  store  for  trace  elements,  it  is  not  really  essential.
 
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 Shocked  
 
 Whoops  I  am  wrong!!  Madan  has  not  posted  anything  to  that  effect  in  that  thread.  (that  laterite  is  not  really  necessary)  My  mistake.
 
 Sorry
 
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 did  not  wanna  start  a  new  thread  so  posting  here....can  anyone  tell  me  what  exactly  does  laterite  soil  look  like?is  it  the  same  dark  red  potting  soil  mom  uses  for  her  roses?Also  if  i  put  this  soil  in  my  tank  without  covering  it  with  sand  or  quartz  is  it  a  problem?
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toomanyfish  wrote:                
can  anyone  tell  me  what  exactly  does  laterite  soil  look  like?is  it  the  same  dark  red  potting  soil  mom  uses  for  her  roses?Also  if  i  put  this  soil  in  my  tank  without  covering  it  with  sand  or  quartz  is  it  a  problem?                

 
 Check    this    link  to  see  how  it  looks  like.
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 Hey  toomanyfish,
 Comman  sense  man...obviously  you  need  something  on  top  of  the  soil/laterite.
 Do  you  want  your  tank  to  look  like  a  mud  puddle  like  in  the  rainy  season???
 Because  that's  how  it's  gonna  become  unless  covered!  
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 iam  sorry  amod  iam  a  little  new  here....so  i  should  put  this  laterite/red  potting  soil  in  the  tank  first  and  then  cover  it  with  a  layer  of  golden  sand....is  that  right
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 Hello  everyone,
 I  wonder  if  you  people  do  gravel  (or  substrate)  vacuuming  with  soil/  sand  substrate.
 If  yes,  then  don't  you  have  problems  with  the  fine  sand/soil  being  sucked  up  into  the  vacuum?  And  if  no,  then  what  do  you  do  about  the  detritus  that  deposits  gradually  on  the  top  of  the  substrate.  What  is  the  way  to  clean  that?
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Hello  everyone,
 I  wonder  if  you  people  do  gravel  (or  substrate)  vacuuming  with  soil/  sand  substrate.
 Regards,
 MGR.                

 Not  many  people  I  know  do  gravel  vacumming  in  a  planted  tank.
 The  detritus  is  considered  beneficial  for  plants.
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 Hi  MGR,
 
 The  best  solution  is  to  the  one  I  read  in  one  of  the  threads  here.
 
 Use  a  hose  connected  to  the  mouth  of  a  1  lt  Pepsi  bottle  with  the  bottom  cut  off.  Inverting  this  over  the  gravel  will  result  in  the  lighter  waste  matter  geeting  sucked  out  while  the  heavier  gravel  or  sand  will  settle  back  before  it  reaches  the  mouth.  
 
 This  arrangement  really  works  like  a  charm.  Lighter  the  gravel  /  sand  the  longer  the  length  of  the  bottle  need  to  be.  Maybe  not  be  as  successful  with  very  fine  sand.  
 
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