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hey guys
went to a friend of mine yesterday. he has a planted tank. but i never knew he used soda maker cylinders too :D
he does not use it now. so i borrowed it from him for a few days. to test mainly.
will post some pics in my next post showing its different parts and all.
that will help many like me  |
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| Posted: Sat Apr 24, 2010 10:08 pm Post subject: Re: Soda maker CO2 cylinder? |
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hey guys
went to a friend of mine yesterday. he has a planted tank. but i never knew he used soda maker cylinders too :D
he does not use it now. so i borrowed it from him for a few days. to test mainly.
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Did you find out why he does not use it now.  |
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| Posted: Sat Apr 24, 2010 10:42 pm Post subject: Re: Soda maker CO2 cylinder? |
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| polya wrote (View Post):
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hey guys
went to a friend of mine yesterday. he has a planted tank. but i never knew he used soda maker cylinders too :D
he does not use it now. so i borrowed it from him for a few days. to test mainly.
will post some pics in my next post showing its different parts and all.
that will help many like me
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It will be very helpfu if pictures are posted. I wanted to know it as soon as possible!!!!..
If possible can the parts be tagged? |
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polya
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| Posted: Sat Apr 24, 2010 11:12 pm Post subject: Re: Soda maker CO2 cylinder? |
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| trevor wrote (View Post):
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| polya wrote (View Post):
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hey guys
went to a friend of mine yesterday. he has a planted tank. but i never knew he used soda maker cylinders too :D
he does not use it now. so i borrowed it from him for a few days. to test mainly.
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Did you find out why he does not use it now.
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i have no idea. |
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| Posted: Sat Apr 24, 2010 11:13 pm Post subject: Re: Soda maker CO2 cylinder? |
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the pics -
hope it helps. can i get the proper names of these valves? |
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| Posted: Sun Apr 25, 2010 9:58 am Post subject: Re: Soda maker CO2 cylinder? |
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| Super cool! I have 2 cylinders lying idle with me! Let us know if you guys are able to get this done! |
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| Posted: Sun Apr 25, 2010 2:03 pm Post subject: Re: Soda maker CO2 cylinder? |
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Hi Polya,
Thats simply awesome!! one can easily save big bucks using that setup. Wish such news come early.
Doubt: will there be any problem while re-filling the cylinder? to dis-assemble the setup before a refill.
BTW total setup is looking awesomely small & cute sweet!!
...plant list looks nice too 
Cheers! |
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| Posted: Sun Apr 25, 2010 2:56 pm Post subject: Re: Soda maker CO2 cylinder? |
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Refilling is very straightforward. Just unscrew the cylinder part, and go get it exchanged for a full cylinder. All these dealers have refilled cylinders always. So, you save on waiting time too.
Of course this is for a small tank, and yes, we will have to make frequent trips to the refiller! But pressurized CO2 at low initial cost! |
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| Posted: Sun Apr 25, 2010 3:29 pm Post subject: Re: Soda maker CO2 cylinder? |
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I hope it works. I have a couple of soda maker cylinders lying around. It could only be useful for a Micro panted tank.
Anyhow if it does not work you could make a soda and pour it in the tank the way Takashi Amano did way back in the 70's.  |
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| Posted: Sun Apr 25, 2010 6:44 pm Post subject: Re: Soda maker CO2 cylinder? |
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Hi,
I still believe regular cylinders are the right way to go, Safe and sound. These cylinders can sometimes rocket as well. I have had a first hand experience of it myself. Where the adapter failed and the cylinder rocked my 8" Flowherhorn and that was the last time i saw him alive. The cylinder broke through the tank wall and hit the Flowerhorn making a 4" diameter hole in him.
Suneeshkachroo was present at the time the incident happened and he was running helter skelter for himself. Since the cylinder was lying in my balcony and he had stepped out to take a look at the flowerhorn and the cylinder gave away just then, hit the FH first and then hit his leg. Luckly his leg did not get any major injuries and he managed to jump through. Had the cylinder flown in the other direction it would have jumed out of my balcony and probably hit someone below or broken a car windshield.
I think its good for those who dont have space around the tanks, Two the cylinders are quiet cheap, actually these are known as cartridges, a lot of paintball guns / Pressure guns use similar cylinders. You should easily get them at Fire extinguisher vendors, Cost roughly close to Rs 1XX - Rs 3XX depending on capacity 300gms to 500gms and quality of cylinder. However these would not last more than 25 - 30 days and you would aprox pay the amout above everytime you go to exchange it. Which eventually across the year will be a lot more expensive.
Warm Regards
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| Posted: Sun Apr 25, 2010 7:02 pm Post subject: Re: Soda maker CO2 cylinder? |
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Thanks for your true story post, Nirav.
I have posted several times about the dangers of pressurized CO2.
But nothing beats learning from actual experience I suppose.  |
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| Posted: Sun Apr 25, 2010 7:19 pm Post subject: Re: Soda maker CO2 cylinder? |
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Hi Trevor,
After reading this post it just reminds me of an episode of I shouldnt be alive on Discovery, where a team of best friends along with their father's hooked on a small plane to go fishing, The friend to save money bought Life Jackets costing $4 thinking what the heck its just not going to be used and the shop offered a 50% refund if the jackets were returned unused. So he bought it, the plane then went into a storm on mexico sea and crashed in the sea. Well the sad part, the fathers couldnt fit inside the jacket since they were too small and meant for Children upto the age of 12 only.
I guess folks are trying the same here and putting the life of their fish & family at danger. Since that incident with a 300gm cylinder i have swithced to a regular 4Kg Cylinder and never had any trouble with it. I pay Rs 6X for refilling the cylinder and it last for nearly 6-7months!. After 2 years i think i have saved more than a few hundreds on refilling and definitely sleep a lot peacefully.
In the above picture the area between the cylinder Pin ball valve, right upto the regulator in a complete stress Zone. Now each time this cylinder is being refilled the Cylinder pin valve and the regulator adaptor will be opened. Everytime its reseater some wear and tear of the threading will happen and someday it will eventually give away. Also the adaptor can only handle an X amount of pressure. If the cylinder is filled with incorrect pressure which will happen a lot of times given the premature ways cylinders are filled in our country you are putting things at hughe risk.
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Nirav Shah
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| Posted: Sun Apr 25, 2010 9:50 pm Post subject: Re: Soda maker CO2 cylinder? |
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Hi,
To check out how the soda cylinder looks like, I have been to a shop. I asked the shop keeper to show me the soda maker (Mr Butlers Sode Maker). He removed the cylinder from the soda maker and showed me how the cylinder looks like.
The area where the cylinder is screwed too, is made up of plastic!!!!!! Only the clyinder is made of metal. All other parts of the soda maker is made up of plastic!!!!
Here I have a serious doubt!!!! How the plastic is able to hold the pressure of the cylinder? Its totally contradicting with the information provided earlier. Can anyone explain this? |
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| Posted: Sun Apr 25, 2010 10:31 pm Post subject: Re: Soda maker CO2 cylinder? |
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Hi,
Any pressurized cylinder should be handled with care especially in a residential environment. Gas escaping at a very high speed from a pressurized container will cause it to behave as a rocket.
Hence any cylinder should be securely anchored and restrained to something solid as a wall and preferable kept outdoors ( ofcourse out of direct sun).
JosyJames,
The CO2 bottle in the sodamaker has a release pin that has to be depressed so that the gas comes out ( Similar to the pin in a automobile tyre tube). This pin is pressed during the soda making action. The reason why the soda maker coupler is made of plastic is so that even it breaks it will not be able to depress the pin on the cylinder. There is gas coming out of the cylinder only when you press the lever to make soda.
Nirav has a valid point regarding the potential of failure of threaded joints on repeated loosening and tightening. While this is there in case of large cylinder also, it is assumed that due to the volume of the cylinder you have to do lesser number of refills. Needless to say that the danger of a joint failure exists there also but another assumption is that you are using quality material for your regulators and other connections.
Once again remember you are working with a pressurized cylinder and you have to take precautions. Do not put yours or your families life in danger.
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