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PostPosted: Mon May 17, 2010 1:38 am Post subject: Want complete guidelines on how to deworm a baby Flowerhorn Reply with quote

 Experts,
 
 Kindly  tell  me  how  to  deworm  a  baby  flowerhorn,  explicitly.  With  all  the  nittygritties  please,  and  this  can  be  made  a  sticky  even  as  I  did  not  find  any  good  guidelines  on  the  net  that  meets  our  Indian  conditions  on  deworming  a  baby  Flowerhorn.  
 
 Need  your  kind  help  urgently,  please.
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PostPosted: Mon May 17, 2010 12:27 pm Post subject: Re: Want complete guidelines on how to deworm a baby Flowerh Reply with quote

 I  give  them  boiled  peas  shelled,  spinach  and  galic  (1  clove  crushed)  with  their  regular  pellets  all  finely  ground  and  freezed.  They  seem  to  working  good  for  me.  I  am  also  in  the  look  out  for  experts  solutions.
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PostPosted: Mon May 17, 2010 1:10 pm Post subject: Re: Want complete guidelines on how to deworm a baby Flowerh Reply with quote

 can  i  ask  how  big  the  fish  is  and  why  are  u  thinking  of  deworming  the  little  fella
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PostPosted: Mon May 17, 2010 3:06 pm Post subject: Re: Want complete guidelines on how to deworm a baby Flowerh Reply with quote

 The  fish  is  around  1.5  inches  and  is  not  that  active.  It  has  just  come  in,  say  bout  a  week  or  so.  Eating  Hikari  cichlid  biogold  plus.  Appetite  is  not  strong,  getting  easily  stressed,  colour  is  dim.
 
 Tank  conditions  are,  
 1  ft  cube
 small  sponge  filter
 water  change  50%  every  2  days
 Shrimps  on  Sunday
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PostPosted: Mon May 17, 2010 4:34 pm Post subject: Re: Want complete guidelines on how to deworm a baby Flowerh Reply with quote

 hmmmm
 what  kind  of  FH  is  it
 whats  the  substrate  type,  whats  the  background
 how  much  amount  of  food  is  put  in  a  day  and  how  many  times
 is  the  tank  well  lit??
 
 
 the  fish  right  now  is  too  small  for  hikari  cichlid  bio  gold  plus,  instead  go  with  only  nutritional  foods  sans  color  enhancing  foods
 
 reduce  the  amount  of  water  changes  as  the  fish  seems  to  not  be  acclimatised  to  the  current  tank  conditions  and  the  type  of  food  being  put  
 
 give  me  the  details  i  have  asked  for  and  i  might  be  able  to  help  you  Smile
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PostPosted: Mon May 17, 2010 11:26 pm Post subject: Re: Want complete guidelines on how to deworm a baby Flowerh Reply with quote

 Substrate  -  river  gravel
 Food  -  4  pelets,  3  times  a  day.
 Black  background.
 The  tank  is  not  always  having  lights  now  as  the  fish  is  stressed  or  being  stressed  at  times.  It  has  lights  on  for  30  mins  daily  to  acclimatise  the  fish.
 
 Tried  FD  Tubifex  worms,  its  taking  in  and  spitting  out.
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PostPosted: Mon May 17, 2010 11:36 pm Post subject: Re: Want complete guidelines on how to deworm a baby Flowerh Reply with quote

 Other  guys,  Madan,  Trevor,  Nayak  and  rest  of  the  experienced  Gang,  please  address  the  deworming  query.  There  is  very  less  info  regarding  this  so  please  give  us  complete  step  by  step  guidelines.
 
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PostPosted: Tue May 18, 2010 9:15 am Post subject: Re: Want complete guidelines on how to deworm a baby Flowerh Reply with quote

                                                   
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Substrate  -  river  gravel
 Food  -  4  pelets,  3  times  a  day.
 Black  background.
 The  tank  is  not  always  having  lights  now  as  the  fish  is  stressed  or  being  stressed  at  times.  It  has  lights  on  for  30  mins  daily  to  acclimatise  the  fish.
 
 Tried  FD  Tubifex  worms,  its  taking  in  and  spitting  out.                

 u  never  said  what  kind  of  baby  FH  it  is
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PostPosted: Tue May 18, 2010 1:55 pm Post subject: Re: Want complete guidelines on how to deworm a baby Flowerh Reply with quote

 I  prefer  to  keep  it  a  secret  as  of  now.  But  I  can  say  its  a  imported  general  form  FH.  Nothing  like  Bonsai,  killin  parrot  and  so  no  and  so  forth.
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PostPosted: Tue May 18, 2010 2:26 pm Post subject: Re: Want complete guidelines on how to deworm a baby Flowerh Reply with quote

 Generally  for  deworming  Praziquantel  can  me  used.  It  is  the  best  deworming  for  Dogs  and  small  pets.  Some  of  my  friends  they  recommeded  to  use  Prazi  which  is  avail  in  Pet  shops.  Might  consider  with  seniors  to  give  us  best  ideas.  Prazi  mainly  acts  on  Tapeworm,  Hook  W,  other  parasites  and  protozoas.  
 
 
 
 
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PostPosted: Tue May 18, 2010 3:18 pm Post subject: Re: Want complete guidelines on how to deworm a baby Flowerh Reply with quote

                                                   
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I  prefer  to  keep  it  a  secret  as  of  now.  But  I  can  say  its  a  imported  general  form  FH.  Nothing  like  Bonsai,  killin  parrot  and  so  no  and  so  forth.                

 need  the  type  as  that  can  suggest  whether  it  is  the  living  conditions  that  is  causing  stress,  other  than  that  
 
 deworming  a  small  FH  which  have  high  metabolism  rate,  could  spell  disaster,  such  as  stunting  as  well  as  death  if  the  FH  is  of  a  strain  which  has  weak  genes.
 
 from  my  observation  in  rearing  FHs  have  noticed  that  small  FHs  metabolism  rate  is  fast  and  thus  causes  the  concaving  of  the  belly  quite  fast.
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PostPosted: Tue May 18, 2010 4:05 pm Post subject: Re: Want complete guidelines on how to deworm a baby Flowerh Reply with quote

 Deba  ...
 
 As  Jibran  mentioned  above  -  we  need  to  get  more  insight,  before  we  actually  advise  you  to  go  ahead  with  this...  
 
 Deworming  is  done  on  a  healthy  FH  ,  as  medically  its  done  as  a  maintenance  regime,  however  I  am  not  in  support  of  this.....  looking  at  your  description,  I  am  not  convinced  whether  the  FH  you  have  is  at  best  of  its  health,  and  there  could  be  many  reasons  and  may  not  be  anything  related  to  stomach  or  digestive  system.  Before  we  apply  any  meds,  its  better  we  know  the  exact  cause  of  his  problem  ..  Or  else  that's  going  to  make  him  further  weak..  
 
 Need  to  know  what  type  of  FH  and  details  about  its  living  conditions..  a  photograph  would  help...
 
 I  would  sincerely  suggest..  to  go  light  on  food...  keep  lot  of  hiding  spaces  in  the  tank,  give  some  pebbles  for  him  to  play  with  ..  Improve  filtration  and  perform  no  large  water  changes...  I  think  he  is  just  stressed....  Having  Medicines  work  on  1.5  inches  baby  FH  is  very  risky...
 
 
 Anyways  below  is  the  general  procedure  for  Deworming  for  your  knowledge  sake  ...  I  would  not  perform  this  procedure  on  this  baby  ...
 
 
 DEWORMING  -  
 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
 WEEK  1
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 1.  Temp  Raised  to  30  degrees  ..
 2.  250  mg  Metronidazole  (Metrogyl  400)  or  Flubendazole  (Enterofuran  -  M)  in  100  Litres  of  water  ..(  if  applying  directly  in  the  water...)
 3.  If  your  fish  is  eating  ..  we  can  feed  metro  with  food  also  -  put  the  metro  in  luke  warm  water  (it  will  dissolve  easily),  soak  the  pellets  in  this  Metro  solution  for  15  minutes  (Pellets  will  grow  in  size)  ....  Use  pellets  which  are  low  in  protein  content...  No  Bio  Gold  Plus  please...  let  it  go  light  on  his  Stomach  -  The  best  would  be  Hikari  Cichlid  Staple
 4.  Repeat  the  above  for  two  more  consecutive  days  ...with  daily  50%  water  changes  (in  case  you  are  applying  directly  in  water)
 5.  So  in  Week  1  -  You  apply  medicines  for  three  consecutive  days  -  in  case  applying  directly  in  water,  change  50%  water  daily  after  24  hours  and  before  applying  next  dose..
 
 Week  2
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 Continue  normal  food  -  Go  light  on  food..  no  heavy  protein  feed  please..  No  live  worms,  no  color  enhancers,  humpy  stuffs..  just  a  good  plain  cichlid  staple...     ---  This  week  No  medicines,  normal  diets  and  living  conditions..
 
 Week  3
 ---------
 Perform  the  exact  procedure  of  what  you  have  done  in  Week  1
 
 In  case  your  FH  has  some  disease  or  internal  infection..  ..  The  above  deworming  procedure  would  not  work..  We  need  to  apply  Metro  for  treatment,  for  which  dosage  and  durations  are  different...
 
 There  is  also  a  commercial  veterinary  drug  available  called  "Praziquantel"  ..  which  is  used  effectively  deworming-  available  as  powder  sachets..  
 Never  used...  So  do  not  know  the  procedure...
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PostPosted: Thu May 20, 2010 12:29 pm Post subject: Re: Want complete guidelines on how to deworm a baby Flowerh Reply with quote

 Hi  Subhankar,
 
 Thanks  a  lot  for  the  useful  information.  I  have  some  question...
 
 1.  Is  it  necessary  to  regularly  de-worm  a  healthy  fish.  If  yes,  then  what  should  be  the  frequency?
 
 2.  When  the  medicine  is  mixed  with  food  what  should  be  the  dosage.  You  have  mentioned  to  dissolve  a  tablet  and  soak  food  in  that  solution.  What  should  be  the  concentration  of  the  solution  and  how  much  of  food  should  be  soaked  in  them.  If  I  dissolve  250mg  of  metro  say  in  50  ml  of  water  and  soak  about  50  hikari  pellets  woudn't  that  be  an  overdose.
 
 3.  Does  the  dosage  also  depend  on  size  and  weight  of  the  fish?
 
 Thanks  in  advance...
 
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PostPosted: Thu May 20, 2010 2:40 pm Post subject: Re: Want complete guidelines on how to deworm a baby Flowerh Reply with quote

 Ganesh
 
 1.  I  do  not  do  any  deworming  ..  unless  I  feel  the  need.  Since  large  sized  Cichlids  are  voracious  eaters,  so  they  get  overfed  very  easily,  overfeeding  causes  problems  in  digestion,  blockage,  bloat  etc,  lot  of  people  do  deworming  to  eliminate  internal  flagellates  in  the  stomach,  which  can  multiply  in  adverse  conditions  .Kind  of  stomach  wash  and  cleaning  you  can  say.   Very Happy   Lots  of  discus  keepers  also  do  deworming  -  The  frequency  is  once  every  six  months.
 
 2.  First  of  all,  when  you  do  deworming  -  you  do  not  gut  load  your  fish,  so  soaking  50  pellets  is  out  of  question.  You  feed  him  half  or  sometimes  even  less  than  that  ...the  regular  amount.  So  if  you  dissolve  250  mg  of  Metronidazole  in  50  ml  of  water,  soaking  half  of  the  quantity  of  his  regular  diet..  will  suffice  for  the  fish  of  its  respective  size..  Fish  on  an  partially  full  or  empty  stomach  specially  Oscars,  FH's  on  an  increased  temperature  will  have  higher  metabolism  rate  and  hence  medicines  would  be  absorbed  faster...
 
 3.  When  you  add  medicines  to  water,  dosage  depends  on  the  severity  of  the  disease,  current  condition  of  the  fish  and  water  volume..  Not  by  the  size  or  weight  of  the  fish.  Size  or  weight  of  the  fish  is  important  when  you  feed  the  medicine  through  its  food..
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PostPosted: Thu May 20, 2010 2:42 pm Post subject: Re: Want complete guidelines on how to deworm a baby Flowerh Reply with quote

                                                   
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 1.  I  do  not  do  any  deworming  ..  unless  I  feel  the  need.  Since  large  sized  Cichlids  are  voracious  eaters,  so  they  get  overfed  very  easily,  overfeeding  causes  problems  in  digestion,  blockage,  bloat  etc,  lot  of  people  do  deworming  to  eliminate  internal  flagellates  in  the  stomach,  which  can  multiply  in  adverse  conditions  .Kind  of  stomach  wash  and  cleaning  you  can  say.  ¬†Very Happy  ¬†Lots  of  discus  keepers  also  do  deworming  -  The  frequency  is  once  every  six  months.
 
 2.  First  of  all,  when  you  do  deworming  -  you  do  not  gut  load  your  fish,  so  soaking  50  pellets  is  out  of  question.  You  feed  him  half  or  sometimes  even  less  than  the  ...the  regular  amount.  So  if  you  dissolve  250  mg  of  Metronidazole  in  50  ml  of  water,  soaking  half  of  the  quantity  of  his  regular  diet..  will  suffice  for  the  fish  of  its  respective  size..  Fish  on  a  partially  full  or  empty  stomach  specially  Oscars,  FH's  on  an  increased  temperature  will  have  higher  metabolism  rate  and  hence  medicines  would  be  absorbed  faster...
 
 3.  When  you  add  medicines  to  water,  dosage  depends  on  the  severity  of  the  disease,  current  condition  of  the  fish  and  water  volume..  Not  by  the  size  or  weight  of  the  fish.  Size  or  weight  of  the  fish  is  important  when  you  feed  the  medicine  through  its  food..                
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