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Preeths
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 Posted: Sat Jun 12, 2010 6:33 pm Post subject: Advice on modifying existing stand and building a new stand. |
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Hi,
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I have an existing metal stand. It has about 700 Kgs of tank and water on it. I need to drill holes in the stand so that a carpenter can fix plywood on it so that it appears to be a cabinet. Removing the tank and then getting the holes drilled(6-8mm holes) and fixing the plywood will involve too much effort, if there is no way to get this done with out removing the tank then i wont even try. If its possible to get this done with the tank as is then im happy. (i can reduce the water level during the procedure, but do not see the point in doing so. The middle Legs will have only 2 holes each, and the corner legs will have 4 holes each. (2 on each side of the angle). My cousin who made the stand over engineered the stand so that it can support about 2 tons of weight normally. I dont expect the stand to buccle due to drilling holes in them. Just need to know if this can be done safely, and any precautions i need to take.
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I need to get a brand new stand for a 60X30X37 cm tank. I need the stand to be 3.5 feet tall to accomodate a rather large CO2 cylinder inside. I need this to look as good as possible, as its going to be for a hi tech setup "with all bells and whistles". The tank with the substrate and water would weigh just under 100Kg ( assuming a higher weight to be on the safe side).
Stand will be custom made, so i need to know the material to use. I spoke to a carpenter and he said that 3/4" plywood can be used and it will take the weight. I on the other hand am not so certain. What material is good for this kind of a stand? |
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Preeths
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| Posted: Sat Jun 12, 2010 6:39 pm Post subject: Re: Advice on modifying existing stand and building a new st |
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Here is a link to an earlier thread where a picture of the stand is:
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| Posted: Sat Jun 12, 2010 6:57 pm Post subject: Re: Advice on modifying existing stand and building a new st |
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Hi Preeths,
If you are planning to cover with 3/4" plywood, then I would suggest not to drill hole in the metal stand. You can screw the plywoods together as the thickenss is 3/4".
The front piece plywood should be on the top of the side piece. Screw the plywoods together. |
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| Posted: Sat Jun 12, 2010 7:06 pm Post subject: Re: Advice on modifying existing stand and building a new st |
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HI Preeths,
I hope you understood on how to clamp... :)
Call me if you need some more information.
Regards'
Shelly Dsilva |
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| Posted: Sat Jun 12, 2010 8:59 pm Post subject: Re: Advice on modifying existing stand and building a new st |
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Wow!! man, exactly same situation here with a smaller 500kg tank. Want a cabinet.
So James,
I suppose that will leave Preetham's Plywood saging on to the floor?If thats what Preetam wants then fine.
Else with your idea, we can just punch in a hole on each leg to hold up the ply over the ground?(just like we wear Lungi) 
Preetam,
I am planning to go with your 1st option.
With this position of holes, and with just 4legs to spare.
That means 4holes on one leg totally 16 on 4 legs, each is a L of 1inch.
Will probablly go for 5mm drill, so that I dont hurt Strain of the leg.
5mm/25mm shouldnt be an issue in such heavy duty metal.
To add to that will be also sandpapering the leg to remove paint and apply silicon where its screwed, to firm it up.
Also will be adding the "L" angles to hold the Plywood, as I will go for may be just a 5mm/8mm ply with decolum on it.
Like this.
+ a 8mm ply as the bottom.
Hope that helps Preeths.
I am a super lazy guy, to do mine soon.
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Preeths
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| Posted: Sat Jun 12, 2010 10:29 pm Post subject: Re: Advice on modifying existing stand and building a new st |
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The first option is for an existing setup.
@josyjames I have dismissed that option for the simple reason it wont work long term and the asthetics part.
@Saikumar. The normal silicone wont stick to metal or wood.
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Wow!! man, exactly same situation here with a smaller 500kg tank. Want a cabinet.
So James,
I suppose that will leave Preetham's Plywood saging on to the floor?If thats what Preetam wants then fine.
Else with your idea, we can just punch in a hole on each leg to hold up the ply over the ground?(just like we wear Lungi)
Cheers!
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| Posted: Sat Jun 12, 2010 11:54 pm Post subject: Re: Advice on modifying existing stand and building a new st |
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I have the same situation with a 4x1.5x1.5 tank. Estimated weight (with the wooden cover) is close to 300-350 kgs.
I was wondering if we can just stick the plywood (or just the hinges) to the metal stand with some industrial-strength adhesive?
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| Posted: Sun Jun 13, 2010 1:08 pm Post subject: Re: Advice on modifying existing stand and building a new st |
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Hi,
A Visit to the local hinges market will help. You get certain Glass Hinges which Fix like Clamps, One side will Clamp on the Iron Angle and the other side on your wooden Ply / Board.
Other alternate is to get to your local stand maker and ask him to get his portable welding machine home, most of them should have one, especially the ones that make window grills, then get regular hinges and ask him to weld the hinges on the Stand. Once done you can then drill holes in the ply / board and fix the hinges with screws.
I have used both the above methods and is very easy. Both may cost the same since the hinges in the first one is a little expensive and in the second one the hinges are cheap but the welder will charge.
You can also use 5mm drills directly on the stand legs, if your angle is thick. Just get two holes drill and fix a Hinge using Nut Bolts. However this will compromise a wee bit on the strength of the angle if your angle is not very thick. 1.5mm thickness angle should have no issues in drilling.
Warm Regards
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| Posted: Sun Jun 13, 2010 4:58 pm Post subject: Re: Advice on modifying existing stand and building a new st |
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| Be careful when drilling the frame as vibrations could damage the tank |
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Preeths
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| Posted: Mon Jun 14, 2010 1:09 pm Post subject: Re: Advice on modifying existing stand and building a new st |
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| The angles are 6mm thick, 30mm each side and pretty sturdy. I dont expect the stand to collapse due to drilling. Welding on the other hand might be a bit dangerous due to the metal heating up. |
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| Posted: Sat Jul 03, 2010 9:51 pm Post subject: Re: Advice on modifying existing stand and building a new st |
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Preets,
Did some progress man 
Thanks to Nirav for his facts.
Few pics to do the talk.
Good luck bro... |
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| Posted: Sat Jul 03, 2010 10:34 pm Post subject: Re: Advice on modifying existing stand and building a new st |
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OK,
I decided to do it in a simpler way. Paste Ply on three sides using industrial strength glue. Make the front as two drawers. No moving of stand or drilling required. Got some suggestions for the glue need to test out the concept. either way this will be done with some professional help to get a good finish.
Got the hood and seperate cabinet like stand for a 2 feet tank., all i am lacking now is time to set up the tank.  |
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| Posted: Sat Jul 03, 2010 11:00 pm Post subject: Re: Advice on modifying existing stand and building a new st |
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OK,
I decided to do it in a simpler way. Paste Ply on three sides using industrial strength glue. Make the front as two drawers. No moving of stand or drilling required. Got some suggestions for the glue need to test out the concept. either way this will be done with some professional help to get a good finish.
Got the hood and seperate cabinet like stand for a 2 feet tank., all i am lacking now is time to set up the tank.
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Yes, using industrial strength adhesive was always the easiest (maybe even the cheapest) option.
About the idea to go for drawers in the front face of the stand: From the weight you mentioned (700kg), I assume your tank is about 5 to 6 ft long. So you're drawers will be around 2.5-3 feet.
I don't know if you can have drawers that big (and heavy as they will be of plywood) just resting on the stand. You will have problems opening and closing these drawers. In my opinion, you will need that "roller" assembly similar to one used for kitchen drawers.
This too is usually attached to the surfaced with a screw. However, you can considering using the same industrial strength adhesive to stick these roller assemblies to your stand.
If you do a bit of research and get the right adhesive, you won't have to worry about the strength of this build. They build cars using adhesives instead of welds, bolts or rivets to keep weight and/or costs down.
Cheers,
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Preeths
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| Posted: Wed Jul 07, 2010 11:43 am Post subject: Re: Advice on modifying existing stand and building a new st |
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| Its a 5 feet tank, have it for around two years now. The stand is super strong. I am more worried about the looks rather than function of the drawers. Thats the reason i wanted to cover it up. I dont mind 2.5 feet drawers, so much more easier to dump all my aquarium related stuff inside. The whole thing does not have to be strong, as long as it looks good im happy. |
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| Posted: Wed Jul 07, 2010 11:56 am Post subject: Re: Advice on modifying existing stand and building a new st |
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Its a 5 feet tank, have it for around two years now. The stand is super strong. I am more worried about the looks rather than function of the drawers. Thats the reason i wanted to cover it up. I dont mind 2.5 feet drawers, so much more easier to dump all my aquarium related stuff inside. The whole thing does not have to be strong, as long as it looks good im happy.
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Actually, I was referring to the strength of the bits you stick to the existing stand and not the stand itself.
But, if you don't care about the drawers being convenient to use (i.e. if they are not going to be used very often), then, yes, your idea should work.
Post pictures of this project and also mention the specific brand (and type) of adhesive you use.
Good luck,
Sid |
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