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PostPosted: Thu Jun 24, 2010 11:00 pm Post subject: Help on 4ft planted glass tank from scratch Reply with quote

 
 
 Hello  Folks,  
 I  am  new  to  IAH.  Was  able  to  go  through  some  DIY  tank  makings  but  the  info  is  in  bits  and  pieces.  
 I  am  planning  to  make  a  4x1.5x1.5  planted  tank  my  self  and  need  help...  a  lot  of  help  from  all  the  fandus  :)
 
 Here  are  my  requirements  for  the  tank
   #  tank  size  4x1.5x1.5  ft
   #  planted  tank
   #very  nice  finishing  without  silicon  spills  (very  particular  on  this  Smile  
   #  I  am  in  Bangalore  (Material  availability)
   
 and  what  i  have  done  up  to  now  are  
   #  Got  glass  cut  for  the  same  (12mm)  with  proper  measurements
   #  silicon  'waker  GP',  but  not  sure  if  this  one  is  the  right
   #  having  1.5x1  ft  self  made  tank  with  normal  sand  and  plants(from  last  8  months)
   #  Eheim  ECCO  filter
   #  ready  to  spend  time  and  a  bit  of  bucks.
 
 I  have  seen  a  good  tank  without  extra  silicon(black)  in  a  shop  near.  will  post  the  pic  in  few  days  
 
 Lets  put  all  the  points  one  by  one  as  this  will  be  a  guide  too  ...
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 05, 2010 12:34 pm Post subject: Re: Help on 4ft planted glass tank from scratch Reply with quote

 Here  are  the  updates,
 1.  I  got  the  wooden  table  for  the  tank
 2.  Go  the  base  rubber  foam  (1  inch  thick)  
 3.  Along  with  my  local  aquarium  shop  guy  (now  my  friend),  we  made  the  tank.
 (Find  the  pics  of  the  tank)
 
 
 Now  i  need  to  study  the  soil  and  plants  .....  and  lightning  too  .....
 
 And  i  forgot  to  mention  in  my  first  post,  i  got  the  extra  clear  glass  Thumb Up
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 12, 2010 5:39 pm Post subject: Re: Help on 4ft planted glass tank from scratch Reply with quote

 12  mm  glass  for  a  4  feet  aquarium.thats  too  much  dude!!!!  i  made  my  48*18*15  tank  with  6mm  only.
 if  u  want  a  sucessful  planted  tank,  go  for  ada  soil..its  supposed  to  be  the  best..
 install  a  presurrised  co2.
 i  am  not   much  into  lighting,others  will  guide  you.
 get  the  tank  running  for  a  while  before  u  add  the  fishes  (google  for  the  exact  period)
 fishes  can  be  of  your  choice..tetras  are  the  favourite  for  planted  tanks.
 i  think  discuss  also  look  great  in  planted  tanks(since  you  are  interested  in  spending  a  few  bucks  Chuckle  )
 since  you  are  in  bangalore,  and  the  weather  is  good,  you  can  always  go  for  foregrounds  plants  which  need  cool  water..(like  glosso,hc  cuba..)
 all  the  best  then  for  your  setup..  Thumb Up
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 12, 2010 9:31 pm Post subject: Re: Help on 4ft planted glass tank from scratch Reply with quote

                                                   
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 12  mm  glass  for  a  4  feet  aquarium.thats  too  much  dude!!!!  i  made  my  48*18*15  tank  with  6mm  only.
 if  u  want  a  sucessful  planted  tank,  go  for  ada  soil..its  supposed  to  be  the  best..
 install  a  presurrised  co2.
 i  am  not   much  into  lighting,others  will  guide  you.
 get  the  tank  running  for  a  while  before  u  add  the  fishes  (google  for  the  exact  period)
 fishes  can  be  of  your  choice..tetras  are  the  favourite  for  planted  tanks.
 i  think  discuss  also  look  great  in  planted  tanks(since  you  are  interested  in  spending  a  few  bucks  Chuckle  )
 since  you  are  in  bangalore,  and  the  weather  is  good,  you  can  always  go  for  foregrounds  plants  which  need  cool  water..(like  glosso,hc  cuba..)
 all  the  best  then  for  your  setup..  Thumb Up
                 

 
 When  someone  has  already  built  a  tank  -  it  is  hardly  the  time  to  remark  about  either  the  size  or  materials  used  -  all  I  could  say  is  that  you  have  a  very  strong  tank  and  I  hope  you  have  as  strong  a  table/stand  for  it.
 
 Your  next  step  is  to  get  a  good  substrate  and  decide  on  the  filtration  system.  For  this  you  must  decide  what  types  of  plants  and  fish  will  occupy  the  aquarium.  You  will  find  lots  of  flippant  advices  telling  you  to  keep  cool  water  plants  and  warm  water  fishes  -  ignore  them  and  decide  on  the  flora  and  fauna  matching  them  with  attention  paid  to  their  temperature,  Ph,  and  hardness  requirements.  You  should  also  pay  attention  to  the  fact  that  some  plants  are  predominately  root  feeders  and  need  rich  substrate  but  most  can  be  fed  through  their  foliage.
 
 Not  all  plants  need  CO2  enrichment  -  if  you  don't  intent  to  keep  any  high  CO2  plant  you  would  not  need  to  provide  for  any  CO2;  but  then  if  you  intend  to  try  out  high  CO2  requirement  plants  it  is  much  better  that  you  go  for  a  pressurised  CO2  system.  Same  about  planning  your  lights.
 
 ADA  products  are  good  but  with  a  high  price  tag  -  your  choice.  I  am  a  DIY  man  who  has  never  had  to  use  any  purchased  substrate  for  my  numerous  tanks  and  over  the  near  50  years  in  the  hobby  and  still  don't  feel  the  need  for  purchased  substrates  for  any  of  my  planted  tanks.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 12, 2010 10:14 pm Post subject: Re: Help on 4ft planted glass tank from scratch Reply with quote

 Thanks  for  the  basics  "007".
 
 I  was  going  through  the  glass  thickness  charts,  and  the  suggestions  were   10mm  and  there  was  not  much  difference  between  12  and  10  cost  wise,  so  got  the  12  mm.
 
 well  i  went  through  some  articles  on  the  plant  substrate  and  soils.  Yes,  you  are  correct  ADA  is  the  good  but  damn  costly   Shocked   ...  thinking  of  having  planted  islands  instead  of  full  ADA  soil  and  may  be  some  laterite  also...  will  update  on  this  once  i  decide.  
 
 Checking  on  low  and  medium  light  plants  ...  and  also  searching  for  drift  wood  to  ....
 
 About  lights,  I  got  the  hanging  light  stand  with  2  tubes(4ft,  40watts).  Will  get  one  more  of  this.  Initially  i  will  go  with  the  normal  florescent  tubes  only.  (40x4=16w)
 
 Got  the  custom  made  stand(my  own  design,  though  simple   Smile  )  for  these  lights   and  attaching  pic  too.  
 
 Tested  the  tank  with  full  water  and  its  fine  ...
 
 will  post  the  next  update  soon  ...
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 12, 2010 10:15 pm Post subject: Re: Help on 4ft planted glass tank from scratch Reply with quote

 i  agree  with  essabee!  first  decide  on  what  kind  of  look  you  want!  high  light  or  a  low  light  tank?  what  kinds  of  plants?
 laterite  has  always  been  a  good  substrate  for  planted  tanks.  as  you  are  in  Bangalore  availability  of  it  will  not  be  a  problem.  there  are  lots  of  people  in  Bangalore  who  can  help  in  getting  it.  gravel  for  toping  up  can  also  be  acquired  from  the  same  people.
 mosses,  ferns,  anubias,  some  crypts  do  well  in  low  light  tanks.  other  plants  need  high  lighting  with  good  nutrients.  but  crypts  are  root  feeders  so  need  to  have  a  good  substrate.  mosses  and  anubias  wont  need  substrate  as  they  are  attached  on  the  wood  or  stone.  
 CO2  can  be  left  for  later  after  identifying  the  plant  list.  
 pay  due  respect  to  the  filtration  part.  never  used  an  ecco  model  before  so  don't  know  if  it  will  be  enough.  
 please  don't  keep  discus  in  the  tank  initially.  they  need  a  little  bit  of  handling  before  you  can  put  them  in  a  planted  tank.  
 ithermocol  sheets  are  better  for  keeping  the  tank  on.  1"  thick  sheet  would  be  good  enough.  not  sure  about  the  rubber  foam.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 13, 2010 7:11 pm Post subject: Re: Help on 4ft planted glass tank from scratch Reply with quote

 Thanks  for  your  inputs  "essabee"  and  "kunalrsingh".
 
 Hi  ESSABEE  ,  can  you  suggest  non-ada  substrate  materials  known.  I  am  eager  to  know  the  substrate  details  (i  know  of  laterite  and  river  sand)  and  the  mixes  and  ratios  ...  
 
 Below  is  my  plan  for  the  substrate(suggestions  welcome):
 #  planting  will  be  only  done  in  2  major  islands
 #  the  substrate  in  the  islands  will  be  
      -  layer  1  :  .5  cm  granular  stones
      -  1  inch  laterite
      -  0.5  inch  laterite  and  sand  mix
      -  1.5  inch  ADA  soil
 #  the  non  island  area  will  have  bottom  2  inch  mixture  of  laterite  and  sand  and  topped  with  1  inch  sand
 
 Lights:  
   #  4  x  40w  normal  tubelites  (4  ft  long)  that  makes  160  watts
 
 Plants  :  
   I  need  your  help  on  picking  the  plants  for  this  light  intensity.  Below  is  my  scaping  idea
   #  Driftwood  topped  with  fern  and  moss
   #  anubias  (1  or  2)  front  of  the  wood
   #  hydrocotyle  verticillata  (scattered  in  fore  ground)  
   #  for  carpetting  (in  the  island  region)  ,  some  short  grass  (dont  know  which  one  yet)
   #  a  tall  plants  behind  the  drift  wood
   #  probably  few  rocks  here  and  there.
 
 Targetting  to  get  the  driftwood  and  substrate  soil  be  weekend  and  doing  on  these  weekend,  a  quick  help  would  be  great...
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 13, 2010 10:34 pm Post subject: Re: Help on 4ft planted glass tank from scratch Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 15, 2010 9:35 pm Post subject: Re: Help on 4ft planted glass tank from scratch Reply with quote

 Hi  guys,
 About  the  lights,  i  found  very  useful  info  from  IAH  only.  Below  are  the  paths.  
 Thanks  for  creators  and  updater's.   
 
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 15, 2010 10:02 pm Post subject: Re: Help on 4ft planted glass tank from scratch Reply with quote

 just  a  quick  question...  
 
 what  is  extra  clear  glass  ?  Is  that  some  special  order  one  or  do  you  get  it  at  the  regular  store.
 
 Sorry  for  my  ignorance,  but  sometime  in  the  future  I  plan  to  build  my  tank,  so  just  wondering.
 
 
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 16, 2010 9:18 am Post subject: Re: Help on 4ft planted glass tank from scratch Reply with quote

                                                   
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just  a  quick  question...  
 
 what  is  extra  clear  glass  ?  Is  that  some  special  order  one  or  do  you  get  it  at  the  regular  store.
 
 Sorry  for  my  ignorance,  but  sometime  in  the  future  I  plan  to  build  my  tank,  so  just  wondering.
 
 
 ritzy                

 
 Extra  clear  glass  is  very  fine  clear  glass.  cost  is  just  double  in  comparison  of  ordinary  glass.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 16, 2010 1:12 pm Post subject: Re: Help on 4ft planted glass tank from scratch Reply with quote

                                                   
Ritzy  wrote  (View  Post):                
just  a  quick  question...  
 
 what  is  extra  clear  glass  ?  Is  that  some  special  order  one  or  do  you  get  it  at  the  regular  store.
 
 Sorry  for  my  ignorance,  but  sometime  in  the  future  I  plan  to  build  my  tank,  so  just  wondering.
 
 
 ritzy                

 
 Normal  glass  if  the  thickness  increases  it  gets  more  green  tint.  This  is  because  of  iron  contents  in  the  material.
 
 In  extra  clear  galss,  this  is  redused.  So  you  get  more  natural/real  color  compared  to  normal  glass.
 
 cost  details:  For  1  sq  ft  glass,  12mm
 extra  clear  -  250  Rs
 normal  -  90  Rs
 
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 16, 2010 3:05 pm Post subject: Re: Help on 4ft planted glass tank from scratch Reply with quote

 Ritzy,
 
 Low-iron,  or  Xtra  Clear  Glass  costs  thrice  the  price  of  regular  glass  in  my  town.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 16, 2010 7:02 pm Post subject: Re: Help on 4ft planted glass tank from scratch Reply with quote

 Thanks  guys,  
 
 Didnt  mean  to  hijack  this  thread.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 17, 2010 12:11 am Post subject: Re: Help on 4ft planted glass tank from scratch Reply with quote

 @yaza...Nice  setup  there!  do  post  your  intro  and  update  your  location...
 
 Its  not  a  good  idea  to  mix  commercial  substrates  with  DIY  substrates.  Either  go  for  complete  ADA  or  laterite.
 
 There  are  a  few  mixes  for  DIY  substrate  like...
 Peat+laterite
 humus+peat+laterite(am  using  this  in  my  tank  currently)
 peat+bonemeal+laterite
 soilrite+laterite  etc
 
 People  have  used  various  mixture,  you  can  search  the  forum  for  it.  
 
 And  if  you  are  looking  for  carpet  plants,  you  got  to  have  high  lights  for  most  of  them  and  pressurised  CO2  is  also  necessary  to  back  up  high  lighting  levels  in  a  tank  of  that  size.
 
 First  decide  what  you  need...a  planted  tank  or  an  aquascape.  These  are  two  different  aspects..
 A  planted  tank  contains  a  thriving  plant  to  a  collection  of  a  various  plants  growing  together,  nothing  interesting  here(though  this  might  appeal  some)....while  a  scape  is  arrangement  of  various  plants(and  hardscaping  materials)  either  mimicking  nature  or  maybe  just  a  harmonious  placement  of  plants  forming  a  proper  focal  point  that  engages  the  viewers  mind  to  explore  it  further.
 
 For  a  planted  tank,  simply  put  the  various  plants  together  in  fore,  mid  and  background  regions  according  to  their  potential  heights  in  ascending  order  or  even  you  can  do  a  jungle  type  setup.
 
 For  a  scape,  observe  tanks  done  by  good  scapers,  how  they  position  hardscape  materials,  how  they  blend  in  various  plants  together,  minor  details,  etc.  
 Try  to  roughly  sketch-up  your  plan,  you  can  be  sure  what  all  plants  you'll  be  requiring  for  it.
 
 And  for  Extra  clear  glass....
 Another  good  practice  for  people  with  tight  budget  is,  get  the  front  panel  with  clearfloat  glass,  rest  all  sides  normal  glass.  Saikumar  suggested  me  the  same  while  I  was  getting  my  tank  done,  unfortunately  the  LFS  had  finished  my  tank  already  by  the  time  I  could  tell  him.  Sad
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