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PostPosted: Wed Jul 07, 2010 5:15 am Post subject: Re: AQUARIUM FISH BREEDING AND MARKETING RULES Reply with quote

 Hi  all,
 Have  been  a  bit  busy  with  all  these  draft  rules  popping  up  under  our  feet.  please  check  out  the  following  links  &  you  may  get  an  idea  where  half  of  the  information  on  the  draft  for  aquarium  fish  has  come  from.
 check  your  downloaded  documents  compatibility  charts  with  the  following  charts  on  this  web  site
 Freshwater
 http://www.peteducation.com/article.cfm?c=16+2250&aid=3284
 Marine
 http://www.peteducation.com/article.cfm?c=16+2249&aid=2605
 
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 30, 2010 10:15 am Post subject: Re: AQUARIUM FISH BREEDING AND MARKETING RULES Reply with quote

 Sujoy  has  information  that  this  proposed  rule  is  being  push  thro.  We  need  to  act  fast.  Please  analyse  and  list  out  objections  to  specific  points.  No  general  comments  please.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 30, 2010 11:09 am Post subject: Re: AQUARIUM FISH BREEDING AND MARKETING RULES Reply with quote

 What  excatly  is   this  thing.
 Is  it  a  amendment  to  wildlife  protection  act,  or  a  seperate  act.
 You  cannot  have  rules  unless  you  have  an  act  implementing  the  rules.
 It  is  not  drafted  like  a  legislation.
 It  seems  to  me  more  of  wish  list  than  a  act  or  rule  which  has  staturory  backing.
 I  have  gone  through  the  link  given  by  beta,  it  looks  like  a  discussion  paper.
 No  legislation  gives  tank  sizes  and  uses  terms  like  "Fish  tank  animals  may  only  be  kept  in  tanks  of  sufficient  size,  shape",  these  are  ambigous  words  and  can  never  be  a  part  of  any  act  or  rule.
 Can  somebody  give  me  a  background  of  this  thing,
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 30, 2010 12:46 pm Post subject: Re: AQUARIUM FISH BREEDING AND MARKETING RULES Reply with quote

 After  spending  more  effort  in  this  direction.
   I  found  that  there  is  something  called  "Animal  Welfare  Board  of  Animal"  which  is  a  body  set  up  ,  in  accordance  with  Section  4  of  the  Prevention  of  Cruelty  to  Animals  Acts  1960  (No.59  of  1960).
 http://www.awbi.org/index.php?q=node/2
 
 It  has  issued  rules  for  cattles,  circus  animals  etc.
 However  their  website  does  not  list  any  discussion  paper  on  aquatic  animals.
 In  order  to  do  something  about  it  we  first  need  to  identify  as  to  under  which  act  are  these  rules  going  to  be  issued
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 30, 2010 2:24 pm Post subject: Re: AQUARIUM FISH BREEDING AND MARKETING RULES Reply with quote

 Any  one  from  IAH  living  /  working  near  Thiruvanmiyur,  Chennai  ?  We  need  to  contact  these  folks  at  Animal  Welfare  Board.
 
 ANIMAL  WELFARE  BOARD  OF  INDIA,
 13/1,  Third  Seaward  Road,  Valmiki  Nagar,  Thiruvanmiyur,  
 Chennai-  600  041.
 
 Phone  :  044-24454935,  24454958  Fax:  044-24454330
 E-mail  :  awbi  [at]  md3.vsnl.net  [dot]  in
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 30, 2010 2:26 pm Post subject: Re: AQUARIUM FISH BREEDING AND MARKETING RULES Reply with quote

 From  what  I  can  make  out,  these  rules  apply  only  to  commercial  establishments.  Is  there  anything  there  which  will  directly  affect  hobbyists  ?
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 30, 2010 4:00 pm Post subject: Re: AQUARIUM FISH BREEDING AND MARKETING RULES Reply with quote

 Ravi
 
 These  rules  are  applicable  to  “establishments”  which  may  be  of  two  types
 
 1.  First  type  is  
 quote”  “Establishment”  means  any  seller  of  fish  tank  animals”  unquote
 
   There  is  no  ambigiuity  on  this  counts,  it  means  pet  shops  or  LFS.
 
 2.   Second  type  is  
 Quote”  animals  or  anyone  keeping  public  display  of  fish  tank  animals.”  unquote
 
 Public  display  is  key  word  here  and  is  further  defined  as
 Ouote”  “Public  display”  means  any  place  where  people  can  view  the  fish  that  are  kept  in  fish  tanks  or  aquariums,  irrespective  of  whether  entry  to  such  places  is  restricted  or  open,  on  payment  or  free.”
 
 Now  this  is  very  wide  definition,  it  says  “where  people  can  view  the  fish”,  this  might  include  offices  and  public  places  where  even  though  fish  are  not  meant  for  sale  but  are  displayed.
 However  residential  houses  might  not  come  under  this  rule  and  normal  hobbyist  might  not  come  under  this.
 
 Relevant  extracts  are  
 
 “Establishment”  means  any  seller  of  fish  tank  animals  or  anyone  keeping  public
 display  of  fish  tank  animals.
 
 “Public  display”  means  any  place  where  people  can  view  the  fish  that  are  kept  in
 fish  tanks  or  aquariums,  irrespective  of  whether  entry  to  such  places  is  restricted
 or  open,  on  payment  or  free.
 
 “Facility”  means  any  premises  wherein  fish  tank  animals  are  housed  for  display
 or  sale,  including  pet  shops
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 30, 2010 4:35 pm Post subject: Re: AQUARIUM FISH BREEDING AND MARKETING RULES Reply with quote

 Please  note  that  if  these  rules  are  notified  under  "Preventation  of  Cruelty  to  Animals  Act  1960",  then  the  provisions  of  this  Act  will  also  apply  in  addition  to  these  rules.
 
 And  this  act  has  following  defination
 
 Section  2  A  -  “animal”  means  any  living  creature  other  than  a  human  being"  
 Section  2  C  -  “owner”  used  with  reference  to  an  animal,  includes  not  only  the  owner  but  also  any  other  person  for  the  time  being  in  possession  or  custody  of  the  animal,  whether  with  or  without  the  consent  of  the  owner.
 
 By  this  defination  all  aquarists  are  already  covered.  Very Happy  
 
 Now  for  a  list  of  actions  which  are  not  allowed  under  this  ACT
 S  11C-  wilfully  and  unreasonably  administers  any  injurious  drug  or  injurious  substance  to  **(any
 animal)  or  wilfully  and  unreasonably  causes  or  attempts  to  cause  any  such  drug  or  substance
 to  be  taken  by  ***(any  animal;)
 
 S  11e-  keeps  or  confines  any  animal  in  any  cage  or  other  receptacle  which  does  not  measure
 sufficiently  in  height,  length  and  breadth  to  permit  the  animal  a  reasonable  opportunity  for
 movement;
 
 S  11h-   being  the  owner  of  (any  animal)  fails  to  provide  such  animal  with  sufficient  food,  drink  or  shelter
 
 S  11  i-without  reasonable  cause,  abandons  any  animal  in  circumstances  which  tender  it  likely  that  it  will  suffer  pain  by  reason  of  starvation,  thirst.
 
 My  point  is  that  the  government  already  has  sufficient  powers  under  the  exsisting  act  to  weed  out  any  bad  characters,  why  would  someone  want  new  rules.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 30, 2010 4:39 pm Post subject: Re: AQUARIUM FISH BREEDING AND MARKETING RULES Reply with quote

 A  public  space  refers  to  an  area  or  place  that  is  open  and  accessible  to  all  citizens,  regardless  of  gender,  race,  ethnicity,  age  or  socio-economic  level.  One  of  the  earliest  examples  of  public  spaces  are  commons.  ...
 
 [url=en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_place]en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_place[/url]
 
 So,  is  an  office  Public  Place  ?  What  about  schools  ?
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 30, 2010 5:15 pm Post subject: Re: AQUARIUM FISH BREEDING AND MARKETING RULES Reply with quote

 Ravi,  the  proposed  rules  are  drafted  very  badly,  even  if  they  ever  come  into  exsistance  they  would  have  to  be  very  extensively  redrafted.
 However  at  this  point  I  can  only  answer  on  what  is  provided.
 The  word  used  in  the  rules  is  "public  display"  and  not  "public  place".
 Now  the  a  "public  place"  is  easly  definable,  however  "public  display"  is  not  easily  defined,  Chuckle  
 it  might  mean  a  place  where  public  can  see  fish,  so  if  i  open  my  living  room  window  and  my  aquarium  can  be  seen  from  outside,  will  it  get  covered  under  this  act,  and  if  I  close  the  window  I  come  out  of  the  preview  of  the  act.  Clapping  
 No  act  or  rule  will  ever  permit  such  a  thing.
 The  definations  cannot  be  so  vague,  the  definations  used  in  "Prevention  Of  Cruelty  to  Animals"  and  Indian  wildife  Act  are  examples  of  how  the  terms  should  be  defined.
 A  better  term  should  be  owner  and  not  public  or  private  place,  if  you  want  to  really  protect  a  animal  then  how  can  you  have  one  rule  for  shopkeeper  and  one  for  owner,  the  requirments  of  animal  will  not  change  from  place  to  place.
 If  a  fishbowl  is  not  suited  for  a  goldfish,  it  is  immaterial  who  keeps  the  fish.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 31, 2010 12:17 am Post subject: Re: AQUARIUM FISH BREEDING AND MARKETING RULES Reply with quote

 Hi
 Ravi,  Sandeep  i  have  sent  you  both  e-mails  regarding  the  comments  that  were  sent  by  the  trade  associations  from  Mumbai  &  Chennai.  I  did  not  receive  any  comments  that  were  sent  by  people  in  Bangalore  or  Kolkata  so  i  could  not  send  you  the  same.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 13, 2010 2:11 pm Post subject: Re: AQUARIUM FISH BREEDING AND MARKETING RULES Reply with quote

 The  act  comes  up  as  one  which  is  very  badly  drafted,  with  basic  knowledge  on  the  subject  and  wishful  thinking.  This  gives  vast  powers  to  the  implementers  of  the  act  and  wordings  which  can  be  interpreted  to  the  whims  and  fancies  of  the  one  who  implements  the  draft.
 
 Any  rule/act  should  be  very  specific  and  should  not  have  any  grey  areas  implementing  the  act.  Ex.  Some  of  the  names  were  incorrectly  spelled  in  the  first  place.
 
 How  is  III  (i)  (7)  different  from  the  Appendix  A  from  implementation  stand  point.
 
 How  will  III  (ii)  be  monitored  and  implemented?     The  Care  of  Fish  Tank  Animals  can  only  be  guidelines  and  cannot  be  a  Rule.  If  it  is  a  rule,  is  a  record  expected  to  be  kept  for  the  following
 
 13.  Fish  must  be  introduced  into  a  new  tank  gradually.  Fish  should  be  placed  in  a  bag  with  sufficient  water  to  cover  them,  and  be  allowed  to  float  in  the  new  tank  for  15  minutes  to  adjust  to  the  new  temperature;
 
 16.  Any  fish  tank  animal  that  is  being  chased  and  attacked  by  other  fish  tank  animals,  or  shows  signs  of  having  been  attacked  such  as  injured  fins,  eyes,  or  scales,  must  be  separated  from  any  potentially  aggressive  fish.
 
 18.  Fish  tank  animals  must  be  fed  a  diet  that  fulfills  the  nutritional  requirements  of  the  species,  at  a  quantity  and  frequency  appropriate  for  maintaining  health.  Fish  should  be  fed  a  varied  diet,  and  not  fed  the  same  feed  with  every  feeding.
 
 How  are  we  going  to  define  what  a  diet  is?  and  what  a  varied  diet  is?  Changing  brands  of  diet  is  varied?
 
 
 Another  idiotic  rule  here.  Why  should  this  not  be  implemented  for  Eatable  fish  shops,  chicken  shops  and  muttons  shops?
 
 22.  Fish  tank  animals  may  only  be  euthanised  by  immersion  in  any  one  of  the  following  solutions,  wherein  they  must  be  left  for  at  least  10  minutes  following  cessation  of  opercula  movement,  followed  by  decapitation  or  destruction  of  the  brain  so  as  to  ensure  consciousness  is  not  regained:
 
 Another  laughable  rule  here.  I  can  imagine  every  kid  who  wants  to  keep  a  gold  fish  need  to  give  his  details.  Hold  a  second,  if   he  cannot  keep  it  well,  is  it  punishable  by  law?  Hmm,  I  think  LFS  should  only  sell  to  majors  who  are  punishable  by  law
 
 24.  Every  establishment  must  keep  records  of:
 
 the  number  and  species  of  fish  tank  animals  sold  and  details  of  the  party  to  whom  the  animals  are  sold.
 
 25.  No  establishment  may  permit  the  fish  tank  animals  to  be  left  unattended
 to  for  more  than  half  a  day  at  a  time.

 
 Why  not  night  also?  Shouldnt  they  be  taken  care  in  the  night  too?  You  know  they  may  want  to  go  for  a  susu.
 
 Few  questions  on  the  banned  fish  list  and  corals.
 
 Some  of  the  basic  questions  which  should  be  asked?
 
 Were  any  of  the  fish  listed  in  the  act  endangered?
 
 Were  there  any  other  developed  countries  which  have  these  fishes  banned?
 
 Why  are  these  fishes  different  from  the  fishes  which  we  eat  which  were  caught  from  the  sea?  Should  we  ban  fishing  in  the  sea?
 
 It  is  known  in  some  parts  of  the  world  where  the  population  increase  of  lionfish  led  to  reduction  of  other  fish.  Now,  please  someone  explain  the  reasoning  why   this  is  banned?
 
 Most  of  the  fishes  listed  in  the  Appendix  A  are  universally  traded  in  Aquarium  industry  and  are  not  in  the  restrictive/endangered  list  as  per  CITES.  What  is  the  reasoning  for  having  every  fish  in  the  banned  list  on  the  marine  side.
 
 There  are  many  places  around  the  world  where  corals  are  cultured/grown  by  breeders  and  not  got  from  sea.  Why  should  we  not  encourage  this.
 
 Why  should  we  not  encourage  breeding  marine  life  and  corals  rather  than  banning  them.
 
 Since,  most  of  the  marine  fish  are  banned,  would  it  make  more  sense  to  prepare  a  list  of  marine  fish  which  can  be  kept  in  aquariums.
 
 Would  the  inspectors  who  are  to  supervise  them  be  sufficiently  trained?  Would  there  be  certification  for  them  which  need  to  be  completed  for  them  to  work  as  Inspectors?
 
 Finally,  which  kid  has  drafted  this  piece  of  you  know  what  I  mean.
 
 I  had  enough  laughs  for  now,  will  read  it  more  and  post  further,  atleast  there  should  be  some  humor  in  this.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 04, 2010 1:42 pm Post subject: Re: AQUARIUM FISH BREEDING AND MARKETING RULES Reply with quote

 Direct  
 Download  Link  to  Draft  Aquarium  Fish  Breeding  Rules  2010  from  the  Animal  Welfare  Board  Of  India
 
 http://www.awbi.org/awbi-pdf/Draft%20Aquarium%20Fish%20Breeding%20Rules%202010.pdf
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 04, 2010 6:37 pm Post subject: Re: AQUARIUM FISH BREEDING AND MARKETING RULES Reply with quote

 Check  this  link
 http://www.applebox.co.za/zAQ01/diseases.htm
 The  disease  section  seems  to  be  a  copy  from  this  site.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 08, 2010 5:55 pm Post subject: Re: AQUARIUM FISH BREEDING AND MARKETING RULES Reply with quote

 Well
 At  least  they  look  like  rules.  Very Happy  
 They  are  applicable  to  pet  shops  and   breeder.
 However  the  definationof  bredder  is  a  little  dicey.  Section  2(5)
 .  it  says  
 quote"
 (5)  “Breeder”  shall  include  an  individual  or  group  of  persons  owing  dogs  of  specific  breeds,  registered  with  the  Kennel  Club  of
 India  or  unregistered,  for  breeding  and  sale  of  dogs  and  pups,  or  an  individual  or  group  of  persons  involved  in  the  breeding  and
 sale  of  other  animals  and  birds
"
 unquote

 
 This  might  include  hobbyist  breeders.
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