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PostPosted: Mon Sep 06, 2010 10:16 am Post subject: Filter for 50"*24"*24" Planted Tank ?? Reply with quote

 Hi  Guys  
 
 I  am  planning  to  set  up  a  planted  tank  of  50"*24"*24"  and  want  to  buy  a  filter  for  it.
 
 What  will  be  the  best  option  for  me  considering  my  budget  of  Rs2.5-3k.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 06, 2010 11:19 am Post subject: Re: Filter for 50"*24"*24" Planted Tank ?? Reply with quote

 Hi  Vijendra,
 
 It  would  depend  on  the  type  of  fishes  you  keep  and  the  setup  e.g.  is  it  planted,  cichlid  tank,  discus  tank  etc.
 
 For  that  tank  size  and  the  budget,  you  will  not  be  able  to  get  good  reliable  branded  canister  filters,  so  you  will  have  to  go  for  internal  power  filter.
 
 Do  let  us  know  about  the  livestock  and  setup  to  help  us  guide  you  better.
 
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 06, 2010 11:48 am Post subject: Re: Filter for 50"*24"*24" Planted Tank ?? Reply with quote

 It  will  be  a  planted  tank  the  details  are  (planned  details)
 
 1.  Tank  dimensions  -  50"*24"*24"
 2.  Light  -  2*150W  MH  (8000K  each)
 3.  Co2  -  Pressurized
 4.  Substrate  -  Soilrite+Laterite  (bottom  layer),  River  sand  (top  layer)
 5.  Filter  -  ??  (yet  to  decide)  (tight  on  budget  here  as  mentioned,  Rs3k  max)
 
 Plants-  (As  planned,  depends  upon  availability  in  Gurgaon)
 1.Hairgrass  
 2.Riccia
 3.Ludweiga
 4.Rotala  Macrandra  
 5.Brazilian  Pennywort
 6.Red  Lily
 7.Java  Fern
 8.Cryptocoryne  
 9.Bacopa  Caroloniana  
 10.Rotala  Wallichi  
 
 Live  Stock-  
 1.Cardinal  Tertas  -  25
 2.Rummy  Nose  Tetras  -  12
 3.Harliqueen  Rasboras  -12
 4.Cherry  Barb  -  6
 5.Otocinclus-6
 6.RCS-50
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 06, 2010 11:50 am Post subject: Re: Filter for 50"*24"*24" Planted Tank ?? Reply with quote

 Any  suggestions  on  the  setup  and  the  plants  that  m  planning  to  include  are  more  than  welcome....   Smile
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 07, 2010 12:01 am Post subject: Re: Filter for 50"*24"*24" Planted Tank ?? Reply with quote

 What  if  i  use  two  internal  filters  with  the  capacity  of  1200l/hr,  would  be  very  economical  but  dont  know  weither  they  would  be  of  any  help  besides  helping  in  the  circulation  of  water.  Confused
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 07, 2010 12:13 am Post subject: Re: Filter for 50"*24"*24" Planted Tank ?? Reply with quote

 You  have  to  think  on  Biological  and  mechanical  filtration  both  along  with  water  circulation.  You  saw,  what  was  the  filter  for  that  tank.  
 
 To  get  a  good  biological  and  mechanical  filtration  you  can  install  Eheim  2217  with  added  biomech  2ltr.  And  for  water  circulation  you  can  use  either  powerhead  or  wave  maker.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 07, 2010 1:12 am Post subject: Re: Filter for 50"*24"*24" Planted Tank ?? Reply with quote

 Hi  Vijendra,
 
 If  you  have  not  yet  ordered  the  tank,  you  could  make  certain  changes  in  the  tank  itself  and  you  would  have  a  rocking  filter  in  itself.  I  have  just  put  in  place  a  marine  setup  and  a  sump  and  that  is  how  the  idea  came  about.  (Not  that  others  have  not  experimented  with  the  same  concept).  Since  your  tank  is  of  24  inches  width,  you  can  put  this  in  place.  The  idea  is  to  have  a  4  inch  space  at  the  back  of  the  tank  into  another  separate  watertight  compartment.  So  you  will  end  up  with  a  4  inch  by  24  inch  by  50  inch  space.  This  space  is  again  compartmentalized  into  5  smaller  spaces  (with  four  glass  dividers  called  baffles).
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 07, 2010 1:28 am Post subject: Re: Filter for 50"*24"*24" Planted Tank ?? Reply with quote

 Each  baffle  is  so  arranged  such  that  water  will  underflow  one  baffle,  then  overflow  the  other,  then  underflow  and  finally  overflow.  It  will  underflow  and  overflow  into  the  next  chamber.  The  first  baffle  will  be  20  inches  and  will  underlfow  into  the  next  chamber.  This  means  that  when  this  glass  divider  is  placed,  there  is  a  one  inch  gap  from  the  bottom  glass.  The  next  baffle  is  18  inches  in  height  and  it  is  fixed  from  the  bottom  (overflow  baffle).
 
 The  next  one  is  again  20  inches  and  underflow  and  the  last  baffle  is  18  inches  and  overflow.  At  the  end  of  the  dividing  glass  (the  one  that  make  the  4inch  compartment  at  the  back)  cut  the  glass  into  1.5  inch  L  or  drill  a  3/4  inch  hole.  This  cut  or  drill  hole  is  the  overflow  point.  When  water  reaches  this  point  of  the  main  tank  chamber  (the  planted  part),  the  excess  water  will  overflow  into  the  first  back  compartment.  It  will  rise  here  in  the  1st  and  2nd  compartment  (since  there  is  a  underflow  baffle)  upto  a  height  of  18  inches  into  the  2nd  chamber  and  then  overflow  into  the  3rd  chamber.  Similarly  it  will  keep  on  rising  in  the  3rd  and  4th  chamber  simultaneously  (  since  they  are  connected  by  a  underflow  baffle)  upto  18inches  and  then  overflow  into  the  last  chamber.  This  chamber  will  house  a  return  pump.  You  can  get  cheap  pumps  for  a  couple  of  hundred  rupees.  This  pump  will  pump  out  the  water  into  the  main  tank  using  a  pipe  fitted  to  a  spray  bar.  
 
 The  2nd,  3rd  and  4th  chamber  are  your  filter  media  chambers.  You  can  fill  up  each  chamber  upto  around  6  inches  with  any  filter  media  of  your  choice.  You  will  have  the  best  filter  in  operation.  I  use  an  Eheim  2217.  Costs  heavy.  Has  a  volume  of  only  6  litres.  This  system  will  have  a  4  times  that  volume.  Only  costs  will  be  your  additional  glass  costs  and  the  fixing  costs.
 
 Also  make  sure  that  the  main  dividing  glass  is  black  in  colour.  You  will  have  a  black  background  which  is  permanent.  That  would  be  the  only  drawback.  What  can  go  wrong  is  the  pump.  Cheap  pump  that  can  be  easily  replaced.  But  even  filter  pumps  do  get  bad  once  in  a  while.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 07, 2010 1:39 am Post subject: Re: Filter for 50"*24"*24" Planted Tank ?? Reply with quote

 Another  point,
 
 If  you  do  not  want  a  black  background  in  the  above  setup,  before  the  dividing  glass  is  put  in  place,  you  could  simply  spray  paint  the  glass  whatever  blue,  white  or  any  colour  that  you  would  prefer.  Spraypainting  in  gurgoan/delhi  would  not  cost  you  much.  Anyways  you  look  at  it,  the  cost  of  this  system  will  be  very  much  within  your  budget  and  with  something  to  spare  for  your  fish.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 07, 2010 3:05 am Post subject: Re: Filter for 50"*24"*24" Planted Tank ?? Reply with quote

 You  can  consider  making  a  DIY  canister  filter  like  I  did,  it  will  be  well  within  your  budget  along  with  proper  bio  and  mech  media.
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 @Tirtha  -  Sir  Eheim  2217  would  be  the  best  bet  as  i  have  seen  previously  in  your  aquarium  but  my  only  concern  here  is  that  it  is  twice  the  budget  i  have  for  a  filter.  Also  just  let  me  know  whenever  u  have  time  this  weekend  or  so,  so  that  i  can  discuss  the  plan  of  my  setup  and  get  some  expert  advice  on  the  same  from  you   Smile  
 
 @Vijay  -  I  already  have  got  the  tank,  so  i  guess  it  will  be  really  difficult  for  me  to  make  a  sump  now,  but  really  thanks  for  sharing  your  view,  I  am  sure  that  this  will  help  a  lot  of  aquarists  planning  to  get  a  new  tank.
 
 @Hamza  -  Sir  can  u  plz  share  the  link  of  the  post  wherein  u  have  described  the  methods  of  making  the  DIY  canister  filter,  I  guess  this  will  be  the  best  option  for  me  considering  my  budget   Smile
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 07, 2010 2:11 pm Post subject: Re: Filter for 50"*24"*24" Planted Tank ?? Reply with quote

                                                   
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@Tirtha  -  Sir  Eheim  2217  would  be  the  best  bet  as  i  have  seen  previously  in  your  aquarium  but  my  only  concern  here  is  that  it  is  twice  the  budget  i  have  for  a  filter.  Also  just  let  me  know  whenever  u  have  time  this  weekend  or  so,  so  that  i  can  discuss  the  plan  of  my  setup  and  get  some  expert  advice  on  the  same  from  you   Smile  
                 

 
 First  tell  me  how  is  you  finger  doing?  Instead  of  spending  on  Edit  filter,  stick  to  the  Power  filters  with  double  spong.  If  you  want,  you  can  use  my  extra  Unimax  250  as  of  now  till  the  time  you  buy  a  new  one.  It  will  save  the  initial  cost.
 
 Give  me  a  buzz  before  coming,  we  will  surely  meet.  But  get  the  plants  from  Rajiv  ASAP.  If  not  wrong  still  they  are  dumped  into  a  small  bucket  and  rotting.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 07, 2010 2:47 pm Post subject: Re: Filter for 50"*24"*24" Planted Tank ?? Reply with quote

 hello  ,why  not  combine  a  canister  and  an  internal  filter  like  i  did.
 my  filter  is  working  great  and  can  handle  immense  bioloads.  here  is  the  link  .  my  id  on  that  forum  is  hris
 
 http://www.aggressivepredatorsunited.com/diy-f46/diy-internal-filter-t445.htm
 
 
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 07, 2010 2:55 pm Post subject: Re: Filter for 50"*24"*24" Planted Tank ?? Reply with quote

 Hi  Vijendra,
      I  am  personally  using  2  power  filters,  with  two  compartments  each,  consisting  of  sponge  (As  i  also  had  a  low  budget  and  plan  to  shift  to  canister  as  soon  as  it  is  possible)  
 
 Also,  The  filters  are  located  on  the  opposites  sides  of  the  tank,  one  on  the  right  backend  and  the  other  on  the  left  front  end,  they  face  each  other  so  there  is  a  complete  circulation  in  my  tank.  My  tank  is  also  planted  and  the  dimensions  are  36  x  18  x  24.
 
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 07, 2010 6:43 pm Post subject: Re: Filter for 50"*24"*24" Planted Tank ?? Reply with quote

 @Tirtha  -  My  finger  is  fine  now,  i'll  for  sure  collect  the  plants  from  Rajib  ASAP,  n  m  thinking  of  going  for  the  power  filters  as  u  suggested.
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