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PostPosted: Fri Jan 27, 2006 6:11 pm Post subject: Aphanius dispar Reply with quote

 Hello,
                   The  species  Aphanius  dispar  has  been  recorded  from  Western  India.  I  did  find  a  few  specimens  of  Aphanius  in  Uttara  Kannada  (Karnataka)  but  I  think  these  are  not  'naturally'  found  there,  because  I  did  not  find  it  in  any  of  my  subsequent  samplings.  It  is  quite  likely  that  these  were  some  introduced  individuals  (either  from  local  aquaria  or  for  malaria  control)..  
 So  the  best  place  to  find  these  (I  think)  might  be  streams  from  Western  India  (Gujarat).
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 27, 2006 7:47 pm Post subject: Aphanius Dispar Reply with quote

 Thanks  Anuradha  for  that  information  about  Aphanius  that  you  collected  in  Karnataka  back  around  1999,  which  is  very  helpful.
 
 Aquarist  from  Karnataka  can  now  relax  as  it  is  no  longer  necessary  to  cast  your  nets  into  the  rivers  &  streams  looking  for  Aphanius,  although  I  suppose  that  some  introduced  Aphanius  killis  might  persist  at  some  localities
 
 However,  if  you  are  at  your  local  fish  shop,  please  check  to  see  if  any  are  stocking  Aphanius  dispar.
 
 Kind  regards,
 Iggy
 
 
 
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 Sunil,  atleast  tell  me  by  what  name  was  the  LFS  selling  the  fish?
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 Iggy  this  might  be  music  to  your  ears!
 I  have  one  positive  confirmation  from  the  fishermen  who  promised  to  get  some  specimen  fish  for  us  to  confirm  -  What  is  the  desiarable  quantity  you  want?
 He'll  take  some  time  though  in  getting  the  fish
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 28, 2006 7:43 pm Post subject: Indian Aphanius dispar Reply with quote

 That  is  good  news  Aquascapes.
 Look  forward  to  seeing  an  image  of  the  wild  Indian  Aphanius  dispar  in  the  next  few  weeks.    
 Herman  Meeus  will  get  in  touch  with  you  through  this  forum  on  Monday,  regarding  numbers  of  fish,  etc.
 Thank  you  for  all  the  hard  work  that  you  have  put  in,  which  has  included  visits  to  the  University,  the  Hospital  and  no  doubt  loads  of  phone  calls,  etc.
 Best  wishes,
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 Hi  Aquascapes.
 
 The  LFS  where  i  saw  these  fish  was  at  Kansara  Kaka's  place  (Fish  Fair)  in  the  old  city.  
 
 Iggy
 
 Will  try  and  get  more  info  on  this  fish  and  try  and  find  out  where  i  can  get  them.  
 
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 Sunil  does  'kaka'  keep  marines?  I've  not  met  him  since  the  last  year's  exibition  so  don't  know  anyways,  will  get  in  touch  with  him  -  please  tell  me  what  is  it  sold  as  -  the  common  name?
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 30, 2006 6:51 pm Post subject: Indian Aphanius dispar Reply with quote

 Hello  Aquascapes,
 Are  there  any  exporters  based  in  Gujarat  (Ahmedabad)  who  might  be  able  to  airfreight  the  Indian  Aphanius  dispar  to  Europe  when  we  reach  that  stage?
 Kind  regards,
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 At  least  I  don't  know  any  one  doing  that  kind  of  a  thing  -  I'll  check  though>but  why  don't  you  talk  to  your  old  guy  who  has  done  it  for  you  earlier?  I  don't  promise  you  something  there  but  will  surely  try!
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 01, 2006 11:11 pm Post subject: Air Freight of Indian Aphanius dispar to Europe Reply with quote

 Can  any  one  kindly  recommend  an  Indian  Company  that  exports  fish  to  Europe  that  might  be  willing  to  deal  with  100  Indian  Aphanius  dispar  fish?
 
 Ideally  the  exporter  should  be  based  in  Gujarat.    Mumbai  or  Delhi  are  also  good  as  these  have  direct  flights  to  Europe.    I  have  noticed  that  most  exporters  are  based  in  Kolkata  or  Chennai?    This  would  put  several  extra  hours  on  fish  in  bags.
 
 I  suppose  the  above  is  a  question  for  the  Aquarium  Gurus  but  any  suggestions  are  welcome.
 
 We  haven't  yet  got  the  Gujarati  Aphanius  dispar  in  "our  hands",  but  I  feel  that  we  should  be  planning  for  the  transport  now    rather  than  waiting  until  the  killifish  are  located  and  caught.
 
 Kind  regards,
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 You  can  try  Andrew  Rao  @  Malabar  Tropicals  (Calcutta)
 http://www.malabartropicals.com/contact.htm
 maltropi  [at]  vsnl  [dot]  net
 
 and  Deepak  Nopany  @  Asian  exports  (Calcutta)
 http://indiafish.net/
 dnopany  [at]  gmail  [dot]  com
 
 Both  have  been  in  the  business  for  sometime  so  they  should  be  able  to  take  care  of  that  extra  hour  of  travel.
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 Not  to  be  rude,  but,  why  would  a  hobbyist  need  a  100  specimens?  This  is  larger  than  many  commercial  shipments.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 02, 2006 6:28 pm Post subject: Transport of Indian Aphanius dispar to Europe Reply with quote

 Hi  Beta,
 Thank  you  very  much  for  the  names  of  those  two  companies.
 They  both  have  nice  websites.
 Herman  or  I  will  get  in  touch  with  them  and  see  how  things  go.
 Kind  regards,
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 Hello  retro_gk,
 
 Fair  question.
 
 Although  Herman  will  keep  a  few  of  the  Indian  Aphanius  dispar  for  the  hobby,  most  of  the  fish  will  go  to  Dr  Reichenbacher  at  University  of  Munich.  She  is  doing  a  comparative  research  study  in  otoliths  of    Aphanius  from  various  locations.    Herman  Meeus  has  been  asked  to  provide  Aphanius  dispar  from  different  localities  in  sufficient  numbers.    This  species  is  found  from  the  Red  Sea  to  India  where  (long  ago)  a  species  was  described  as  Cyprinodon  stoliczkanus.    Later  it  was  considered  a  synonym  of  Aphanius  dispar.    The  fact  that  once  it  has  been  considered  as  a  species  and  that  it  lives  at  the  edge  of  the  distribution  of  the  species  makes  it  an  interesting    fish  to  study.    In  order  to  perform  her  otoliths  study,  Dr  Reichenbacher  needs  about  20  to  30  live  specimen  of  this  fish.  
 
 Whether  one  transports  40  fish  or  a  100  fish  makes  little  difference  to  the  final  cost,  since  transport  is  going  to  be  the  major  cost.
 
 Also  one  has  to  make  allowances  for  some  losses  during  travel  and  aclimatisation.
 
 Hoping  that  we  will  be  successful  in  bringing  some  of  the  Indian  Apahanius  dispar  to  Europe.
 
 Best  wishes,
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 If  they  are  for  scientific  research,  wouldn't  it  be  better  to  acquire  them  through  the  proper  (offical/academic)  channels?
 
 I'm  sorry,  but,  I  do  not  approve  of  large  numbers  of  a  fish,  whose  status  in  the  wild  is  unknown,  being  removed.
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