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PostPosted: Tue Dec 07, 2010 9:57 am Post subject: MODERATORS: Ban Individuals posting about illegal activities Reply with quote

 This  morning,  I  read  an  individuals  post  about  keeping  sea  turtles  in  captivity  and  included  pictures  as  well.
 
 As  the  moderators  must  be  aware  all  sea  turtles  are  protected  under  schedule  of  the  Indian  Wildlife  act;  we  need  to  stop  users  from  posting  such  information  about  illegal  activities.  I  intend  to  pursue  legal  action  against  that  user  and  will  ensure  he  is  arrested  under  relevant  provisions  of  the  act.  While  I  understand  that  we  can  educate  such  users,  I  dont  see  that  going  far  when  they  have  already  broken  the  law  and  has  posted  proof  of  that.  So  a  prima  facie  case  now  exists  against  the  user.  Ignorance  of  the  law  is  not  an  admissible  defense  in  any  court  of  law.
 
 From  this  point  on,  I  would  recommend  such  users   be  banned  immediately.  Having  used  IAH  over  a  period  of  time,  I  would  not  like  to  see  IAH  being  dragged  into  the  legalese  for  abetting  such  activities.
 
 This  whole  post  has  the  potential  to  be  become  very  dirty.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 07, 2010 10:16 am Post subject: Re: MODERATORS: Ban Individuals posting about illegal activi Reply with quote

 I  second  Abhijitk  on  this  topic.
 
 There  is  a  reason  as  to  why  these  creatures  are  protected  under  any  kind  of  act  in  the  country  and  as  citizens  of  it  we  should  not  only  follow  the  laws  strictly  but  also  respect  them.  Atleast  if  not  for  the  law  then  as  hobbyist  we  should  ourself  fight  for  the  existance  of  these  poor  creatures,  who  are  becoming  extinct  because  of  our  selfish  needs.  
 
 So  please  people  dont  post  such  topics  and  encourage  others  to  do  unlawful  activities  and  create  demand  for  such  banned  creatures.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 07, 2010 11:44 am Post subject: Re: MODERATORS: Ban Individuals posting about illegal activi Reply with quote

 Rather  than  banning  them,  we  are  not  sure  that  all  of  them  are  doing  it  knowingly.  Would  it  not  be  good  to  enlighten  them  about  their  mistake  first  and  let  them  take  corrective  action?  Of-course  if  they  choose  to  continue,  then  I  guess  Mods  have  to  take  it  up.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 07, 2010 12:06 pm Post subject: Re: MODERATORS: Ban Individuals posting about illegal activi Reply with quote

 second  vignesh  and  vijendra  ............please  see  that  some  steps  are  taken
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 07, 2010 12:07 pm Post subject: Re: MODERATORS: Ban Individuals posting about illegal activi Reply with quote

 Well  before  buying  anything  we  always  enquire  about  it  (may  be  read  the  contents  if  its  a  packed  thing,  see  the  expiry  date  if  they  r  medicines,  see  the  ISI  mark  ...etc...etc)  then  y  not  learn  abt  these  creature  beforehand.  Just  google  up  the  info  abt  them.  This  is  what  I  do  when  deciding  to  buy  any  fishes  or  plants.  
 
 Vignesh  Babu  -  Yes  Sir  I  agree  with  you  tat  lot  many  people  are  not  even  aware  at  the  time  of  buying  that  these  are  banned  creatures,  but  before  buying  them  what  I  think  is  that  they  should  first  learn  abt  them.  Offcourse  the  guy  who  is  selling  them  wont  tell  them  that  it  is  banned  but  the  onus  still  lies  on  them  to  get  info  abt  whatever  they  are  buying  after  all  they  would  also  be  a  part  of  the  illegal  act.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 07, 2010 12:20 pm Post subject: Re: MODERATORS: Ban Individuals posting about illegal activi Reply with quote

                                                   
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Rather  than  banning  them,  we  are  not  sure  that  all  of  them  are  doing  it  knowingly.  Would  it  not  be  good  to  enlighten  them  about  their  mistake  first  and  let  them  take  corrective  action?  Of-course  if  they  choose  to  continue,  then  I  guess  Mods  have  to  take  it  up.                

 
 I  second  that.
 
 Regards,
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 07, 2010 12:21 pm Post subject: Re: MODERATORS: Ban Individuals posting about illegal activi Reply with quote

 The  above  person  is  telling  The  thing  about  me..
 Yes  i  had  loggr  B4...
 19  yrs  b4...
 i  said  that...
 Bt  whn  my  father  came  to  know  it  was  illegal,  He  immediately  gave  it  to  taraporewala  Aquarium...
 As  i  said...
 That  time  i  was  4yrs..
 n  now  i  still  pay  4  his  maintainence  there....
 i  mention  that  it  is  mine  because  Even  if  it  stays  there,  i  have  adopted  it...
 i  pay  for  his  maintainence  n  food  frm  past  16-17  yrs...
 this  is  how  i  m  concernd  abt  endengerd  specie..
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 07, 2010 2:50 pm Post subject: Re: MODERATORS: Ban Individuals posting about illegal activi Reply with quote

 Akshay,  please  do  not  take  it  personally.  This  is  a  discussion  going  on  on  how  to  deal  with  some  situations.  Not  necessarily  you.
 
 
                                                 
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 Vignesh  Babu  -  Yes  Sir  I  agree  with  you  tat  lot  many  people  are  not  even  aware  at  the  time  of  buying  that  these  are  banned  creatures,  but  before  buying  them  what  I  think  is  that  they  should  first  learn  abt  them.  Offcourse  the  guy  who  is  selling  them  wont  tell  them  that  it  is  banned  but  the  onus  still  lies  on  them  to  get  info  abt  whatever  they  are  buying  after  all  they  would  also  be  a  part  of  the  illegal  act.                

 
 Vijendra,  you  are  talking  about  the  ideal  situation  here.  Just  doesnt  happen  always  Smile  People  do  end  up  buying  illegal  stuff,  keep  mixing  incompatible  fish,  adding  complete  misfits  to  their  water  conditions.  It  happens.  So  we  as  a  forum  should  try  to  educate  them,  help  them  out  and  if  nothing  works  out,  keep  them  out  of  this  forum.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 07, 2010 3:02 pm Post subject: Re: MODERATORS: Ban Individuals posting about illegal activi Reply with quote

 I  firmly  believe  that  IAH  is  an  institution  for  the  aquarium  hobby.This  hobby  on  a  broader  perspective  is  a  continuous  learning  curve  &  we  all  share  our  small  but  invaluable  experiences  to  enlighten  all.Legality  of  the  trade  is  one  of  them.If  somebody  does  not  know  the  rules  let  us  educate  them  so  that  others  with  the  same  mindset  realises  their  folly.Banning  them  simply  deprives  them  of  the  right  to  get  educated  which  makes  them  even  more  lethal  socially!
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 07, 2010 3:54 pm Post subject: Re: MODERATORS: Ban Individuals posting about illegal activi Reply with quote

 I  second  Vignesh  &  Swarnendu.
 
 Abhijit,  What  about  all  the  reefers  in  India?   What  about  other  native  Indian  freshwater  Turtles  that  are  illegal?  What  about  Live  rock  that  is  illegal?  What  about  all  those  much  sought  after  imported  freshwater  fish  that  is  illegally  imported  into  the  country?  What  about  the  keeping  P.  Denisonii's  which  is  almost  endangered  in  the  wild,  though  not  illegal,  some  may  call  unethical?  
 
 I  dont  think  banning  is  the  solution.  Educating  sure  is.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 07, 2010 4:25 pm Post subject: Re: MODERATORS: Ban Individuals posting about illegal activi Reply with quote

 but  i  think  this  should  stop  here...
   i  said  that  i  had  it  19  yrs  ago...
 n  i  handed  it  to  A  government  aquarium...
 16  yrs  ago...
 if  the  government  officials  have  no  problem  ,  They  accepted  that  thing,  they  take  good  care  of  it...
 It  would  be  illegal  if  that  poor  thing  would  have  been  with  me  TILL  TODAY..
 But  its  not...
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 07, 2010 4:43 pm Post subject: Re: MODERATORS: Ban Individuals posting about illegal activi Reply with quote

 What  I'm  saying  is  simple;  if  it's  illegal  do  not  post  information  about  the  activity  or  pictures  of  it.  If  you  do,  you  deserve  to  be  banned.
 
 Reefer,  freshwater  turtle  keepers  et.  al.,  I  believe  if  we  make  an  example  of  a  few  individuals  others  will  keep  in  line.
 Ethics  are  debatable  (wre  Puntius  Denisonii)  however  the  law  is  NOT  and  flagrant  violations  of  it  are  most  certainly  not.  
 
 Akshayrox123:  In  your  initial  post  (before  you  edited  it)  you  put  a  picture  of  the  turtle  and  gave  the  clear  impression  in  a  boastful  sort  of  manner  that  you  keep  a  sea  turtle.  I  dont  see  why  you  put  it  in  those  words  and  pictures  if  you  kept  it  16  years  ago;  that  is  very  strange.  to  anyone  reading  the  post,  the  instant  impression  is  that  you  still  have  it  (which  perhaps  you  intended)  and  hence  the  flame.
 
 If  you  look  at  a  history  of  a  my  posts,  you'll  see  that  I'm  really  not  into  flaming;  I've  been  on  varied  fora  for  too  long  to  do  that.  Yet  I  do  not  intend  to  blind-sight  flagrant  violations  of  the  law.  It  is  this  blindsighting  that's  let  people  get  away  with  whatever  they've  chosen  to  do  in  India,  and  the  state  of  our  wildlife  shows  it.
 
 The  buck  starts  and  stops  here.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 07, 2010 4:47 pm Post subject: Re: MODERATORS: Ban Individuals posting about illegal activi Reply with quote

                                                   
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but  i  think  this  should  stop  here...
   i  said  that  i  had  it  19  yrs  ago...
 n  i  handed  it  to  A  government  aquarium...
 16  yrs  ago...
 if  the  government  officials  have  no  problem  ,  They  accepted  that  thing,  they  take  good  care  of  it...
 It  would  be  illegal  if  that  poor  thing  would  have  been  with  me  TILL  TODAY..
 But  its  not...                

 
 Keep  cool  and  watch  the  thread.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 07, 2010 4:48 pm Post subject: Re: MODERATORS: Ban Individuals posting about illegal activi Reply with quote

 ya  agreed..
 Posting  that  thing  was  my  mistake..
 Sorry  4  that...
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 07, 2010 6:55 pm Post subject: Re: MODERATORS: Ban Individuals posting about illegal activi Reply with quote

                                                   
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What  I'm  saying  is  simple;  if  it's  illegal  do  not  post  information  about  the  activity  or  pictures  of  it.  If  you  do,  you  deserve  to  be  banned.                

 
 Dont  think  thats  the  best  advice  you  can  give.  We  started  with  banning  people  posting  illegal  stuff  and  went  to  educating  them  and  letting  them  correct  themselves  to  advising  them  to  hide  their  illegal  activities?
 
 I  dont  think  that  is  the  best  members  in  a  forum  can  give  their  peers.  People  need  to  learn  and  other  learned  members  should  help  them  learn.
 
 The  above  statement  does  not  give  a  chance  for  people  to  learn.
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