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PostPosted: Wed Dec 08, 2010 9:13 am Post subject: help needed with DIY Lighting Reply with quote

 Hi  all,
 
 I  have  two  11  watts  CFL  lamps  with  two  pins  and  a  40  watts  electronic  Ballast  with  4  pins  in  one  end  and  two  at  other.  Need  help  connectind  these.  Need  Diagrams,  schematics,  pictures,  anything  you  guys  help  me  with.
 
 I  also  have  a  old  SMPS  from  my  old  PC.  Had  heard  somewhere  that  CFL  can  be  run  from  SMPS.  Is  this  true?
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 08, 2010 2:15 pm Post subject: Re: help needed with DIY Lighting Reply with quote

 Not  sure  if  you  can  connect  ballast  with  the  CFLs(  220V,50Hz  AC).  Please  share  specifications  of  the  CFLs  you  have.
 
   I  suggest  you  should  directly  conenct  the  two  CFLs  in  parallel  and  connect  it  to  the  mains  if  they  are  of  the  rating  mentioned  above.
 
 Moreover,  I  have  seen  mobile  vendors  lighting  CFLs  from  their  12V  batteries  so  it  is  quite  possible  to  run  them  on  12V  supply  of  the  SMPS.  But  not  sure  how  it  runs  :-(
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 09, 2010 8:43 am Post subject: Re: help needed with DIY Lighting Reply with quote

 The  CFL's  are  Havells  -  11  watts  cool  daylight  6500k.  This  is  the  only  info  I  have  on  them.  It  has  two  pins  on  the  end.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 09, 2010 10:15 am Post subject: Re: help needed with DIY Lighting Reply with quote

 Is  it  something  like  this?
 http://lamp-lamp.ru/images/Philips-18w-PLC-840-4P-CFL-Lamp.jpg
 
 I  tried,  they  dint  glow.
 Only  one  glowed,  wish  I  knew  some  electrical  stuff.  They  have  inbuilt  starter.
 
 You  will  be  well  off  buying  one  bigger  CFL  instead,  both  for  efficiency  and  troubles  point.
 Else  one  choke  for  each  is  recommended.
 
 Good  luck.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 09, 2010 11:12 am Post subject: Re: help needed with DIY Lighting Reply with quote

 Hi  Munna.
 
 Post  some  pictures  of  the  stuff  you  have.  It  will  be  easier  to  answer  that  way.
 
 If  you  have  CFLs,  they  will  run  off  normal  bulb  holders,  no  ballast  will  be  required.
 
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 09, 2010 11:53 am Post subject: Re: help needed with DIY Lighting Reply with quote

 yes  please  post  the  pictures,  it  will  be  easy  to  guess..
 
 Some  time  back  i  used  18W  ballast  to  light  1  two  feet  tube  light.  It  went  on  for  some  time  and  one  fine  day  it  just  stopped.  I  could  not  dig  for  the  reasons.  
 The  only  thing  i  found  was  that  the  ballast  was  for  CFLs  only.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 09, 2010 4:01 pm Post subject: Re: help needed with DIY Lighting Reply with quote

 this  can  be  done  by  removing  the  cap  at  the  connecting  end  of  the  cfl.  inside  it  u'll  find  that  the  cfl  has  4  pins  two  going  to  the  outer  connecting  terminal  and  two  connected  to  a  capacitor  (pf)  or  a  stater  like  thing.  for  connecting  it  to  the  electronic  balast  u  can  remove  the  starter  and  connecting  the  terminals  to  the  balast.
                                                         you  have  mentioned  that  its  the  40W  ballast,  i  will  not  recomend  it  for  a  11W  cfl  though.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 09, 2010 5:39 pm Post subject: Re: help needed with DIY Lighting Reply with quote

                                                   
sushant  wrote  (View  Post):                
this  can  be  done  by  removing  the  cap  at  the  connecting  end  of  the  cfl.  inside  it  u'll  find  that  the  cfl  has  4  pins  two  going  to  the  outer  connecting  terminal  and  two  connected  to  a  capacitor  (pf)  or  a  stater  like  thing.  for  connecting  it  to  the  electronic  balast  u  can  remove  the  starter  and  connecting  the  terminals  to  the  balast.
                                                         you  have  mentioned  that  its  the  40W  ballast,  i  will  not  recomend  it  for  a  11W  cfl  though.                

 
 Sushant,
 Is  it  only  for  single  or  any  ideas  for  double  CFL?  meaning  11+11  or  11+11+11?
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 09, 2010 5:53 pm Post subject: Re: help needed with DIY Lighting Reply with quote

 Hi  guys,
 
 attached  are  the  Pics.  Sorry  for  the  bad  quality.  was  using  my  cellphone  camera.  Wife  took  the  Camera  to  mangalore.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 09, 2010 7:04 pm Post subject: Re: help needed with DIY Lighting Reply with quote

 Isn't  that  a  PLL?
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 10, 2010 8:06 am Post subject: Re: help needed with DIY Lighting Reply with quote

 The  Box  has  CFL  written  on  it.  I  m  not  sure  this  is  PLL  or  CFL.  how  do  we  tell  the  difference?
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 17, 2010 4:10 pm Post subject: Re: help needed with DIY Lighting Reply with quote

 Please  advise  if  this  is  correct  or  do  I  need  to  change  this
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 17, 2010 4:40 pm Post subject: Re: help needed with DIY Lighting Reply with quote

                                                   
Munna  wrote  (View  Post):                
The  Box  has  CFL  written  on  it.  I  m  not  sure  this  is  PLL  or  CFL.  how  do  we  tell  the  difference?                

 
 It  is  a  PLL.  PLL  has  a  separate  ballast(choke  is  another  name  for  it,  i  think)  where  as  CFL  setup  comes  fitted  wid  it.  The  voluminous  base  of  the  CFL  is  the  ballast.
 
 Sorry,  cant  help  you  with  the  connection!  Sad
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 17, 2010 5:28 pm Post subject: Re: help needed with DIY Lighting Reply with quote

 Hi  Munna,
 
 I  had  tried  the  same,  but  w/o  starter  as  for  this  PLL  its  inbuilt,
 One  will  glow  for  sure,  let  us  know  if  its  working  for  both.  Smile  
 Not  sure  if  the  starter  will  cause  any  issue.
 
 
 All  the  best.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 17, 2010 5:36 pm Post subject: Re: help needed with DIY Lighting Reply with quote

 Doesn't  work  with  the  starter.
 
 I  removed  the  starter  and  connected  one  of  the  PLL  (its  a  PL-C)  lamps  to  the  ballast  directly.  It  worked.  Then  I  tried  it  with  the  other  (singly).  That  too  worked.  But  when  I  tried  to  connect  the  lamp's  in  a  series  and  connected  to  to  the  ballast,  it  does  not  work.  Any  Idea  what  I  am  doing  wrong  here?


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