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PostPosted: Fri Jan 07, 2011 9:56 am Post subject: Re: Biotope- Concept and implementation! Reply with quote

 I  have  never  seen  such  detailed  research  put  in  behind  a  tank.Really  hats  off  to  you  Sir   Thumb Up
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 Concrete  study  &  flawless  implementation,  just  what  the  doctor  ordered!
 Well,  we  can't  expect  anything  less  from  this  perfectionist.
 I'm  almost  gone  obnoxious  &  pompous  by  envy,  spare  me  please.  ROFL
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 You  sure  have  some  loose  nuts  Nyak.  You  think  about  fish  all  day?   ROFL  
 
 Very  nice  tank.   Thumb Up
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 Nayak,  meticulous  and  awe  inspiring.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 07, 2011 10:49 am Post subject: Re: Biotope- Concept and implementation! Reply with quote

 Nayak,
 That  is  excellent  detailing  of  your  setup.
 Hats  off  for  your  nard  work  and  excellent  implementation.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 07, 2011 11:28 am Post subject: Re: Biotope- Concept and implementation! Reply with quote

 With  Nayak's  detailed  presentation,  i  dont  think  the  below  would  add  any  thing  more  to  it.  But  still,  want  to  butt  in  :)
 
 I  wrote  it  yesterday  in  a  different  context,  too  lazy  to  change  anything.  
 
 But  would  like  to  add  that
 Biotope
 micro  biotope  
 my-o-tope  are  all  left  to  individuals  interpretation
 
 hail  ctrl-c  +  ctrl+v
 
 Since  this  thread  has  been  quite  interesting  but  kind  of  treaded  into  a  diferent  path,  I  just  want  to  add  few  things  that  are  my  observations  and  maybe  few  assumptions.
 
 I  would  divide  any  'Biotope'  into  3  parts.  The  medium,  flora  and  fauna.  A  true  biotope  is  a  network  of  interrelated  aspects  which  in  my  opinion  is  just  impossible  to  create  by  us  mortals.
 
 What  we  can  do  is,  try  to  create  a  'micro  biotope'  consisting  of  a  small  part  (a  micro  subset)  of  the  above  3.
 For  us  it  will  be  -
 Medium  -  Substrate,  rocks,  pebbles  etc  and  of  course  water.
 Flora  -  (a  small  set)  flora  we  might  have  researched/observed/collected  from  the  location
 Fauna  -  (again  few  of)  Fauna  we  might  have  researched/observed/collected  from  the  location
 
 Medium:
 Substrate/rocks  etc  are  pretty  straight  forward.  It  all  depends  on  what  we  observe  in  couple  of  hundred  meters  of  a  river  which  might  run  for  hundreds  of  miles.
 We  can  take  photographs  or  video  and  come  back  home  and  try  to  create  a  similar  scape.
 
 But  there  is  one  bad  news  for  people  who  believe  in  water  parameters  to  be  exactly  what  they  measured  at  the  location.  Here  is  why  -
 If  you  consider  any  river  or  water  body,  the  water  parameters  change  seasonally.  There  will  be  quite  a  bit  of  variation  in  TDS  during  different  seasons.  During  summer  and  other  dry  parts  of  the  year,  some  locations  might  have  water  with  lower  (edit:  it  could  be  anything  -  lower  or  higher)  PH  because  of  leaf  litter  or  other  factors,  it  might  reduce  or  increase   at  some  other  places.
 
 Now,  if  we  consider  water  temperature,  its  even  worse.  I  have  seen  differences  to  the  range  of  8-10c  in  a  single  day  (at  the  same  location).  And  again  this  variation  will  have  seasonal  variation  (how  do  you  plan  for  this  in  a  tank??)
 
 But  the  above  shouldn't  mean  that  water  with  PH  6  and  temp  21C  would  be  good  for  a  African  Lake  biotope  (errr  'micro  biotope').  What  we  can  do  is  provide  as  close  to  the  natural  parameters  as  possible.
 
 Other  things  like  water  flow  and  filtration  can  be  taken  care  with  the  help  of  equipments.
 
 There  are  few  things  where  people  have  to  make  compromises  and  thats  where  others  might  or  might  not  consider  it  a  'biotope'  (dammm...  from  here  on  'biotope'  =  'micro  biotope')tank.
 Things  like
 Using  almond  leaves  for  south  american  'biotope'
 Using  leaves  of  trees  from  temperate  zone  in  a  south  american  or  asian  (mainly  tropical)  'biotopes'
 Using  white  sand  instead  of  yellow/brown  or  naturally  occurring  ones  in  the  region   (The  fauna  would  be  an  easy  target  for  any  predators  with  such  contrasting  colors)
 
 For  me,  quite  a  few  of  the  above  are  good  enough.  but  it  might  not  be  for  others.
 
 Flora  and  Fauna  -
 This  is  pretty  straight  forward.  A  'biotope'  tank  should  only  have  those  species  which  were  researched  /observed  /collected  in  that  particular  biotope.  Any  deviation  would  just  not  make  any  sense  being  called  a  'biotope'.
 
 In  my  observation,  I  have  not  seen  much  of  any  flora  in  fast  moving  rivers.  Very  rarely  or  usually  none.  But  its  different  in  slow  moving  waters  and  ponds/lakes.
 And  another  aspect  is  lot  of  algal  growth  in  quite  a  few  places.  
 
 I  have  one  question  to  all  biotope  tank  owners/creators  (mainly  river  based).  So  far  I  havent  seen  algae  in  most  of  the  tanks.  As  per  my  observations  (and  injuries  Sad  )  I  have  observed  that  the  rocks  are  too  slimy  with  algal  and  other  biomatter.
 
 These  are  few  things  I  thought  might  be  helpful  for  anyone  thinking  of  creating  a  'biotope'.  There  might  be  places  where  others  might  disagree  on  what  I  say.  If  so,  I  would  definitely  like  to  know  their  opinion.  If  I  have  misunderstood  anything,  I  would  like  to  know  the  correct  thing.  If  we  can  have  a  discussion  about  these  aspects,  I  think  it  would  be  a  good  learning  experience  for  me  as  well  as  for  others.
 
 PS:  Another  aspect  is  food  for  fishes.  Think  we  will  never  be  able  to  provide  the  food  that  they  actually  eat  in  the  wild.  We  might  feed  them  the  best  money  can  buy,  but  in  nature  fishes  might  not  even  get  a  glimpse  of  such  food.  But  they  are  more  colorful  and  healthy  with  all  the  threats  they  face  in  the  wild.


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PostPosted: Fri Jan 07, 2011 12:13 pm Post subject: Re: Biotope- Concept and implementation! Reply with quote

 Thanks,  Guys.  I  really  appreciate  it  Very Happy  
 
 
                                                 
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You  sure  have  some  loose  nuts  Nyak.  You  think  about  fish  all  day?   ROFL  
 
 Very  nice  tank.   Thumb Up                

 
 Deb....How  can  you  forget  the  location  yaar?  yes,  that  is  the  exact  place  where  you  got  your  certain  something  which  you  consider  precious  and  delicate,  caught  between  two  rocks  during  the  trip.  And  we  had  to  artfully  get  you  out  ROFL   ROFL   ROFL  
 
 And  the  name  is  Nayak,  Buddy  Smile  
 
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 Hi  Nayak,  
 
 Beautifully  done  &  described,
 
 Probably  if  we  add  some  more  round  rocks  on  the  Right  corner  it  may  be  able  to  give  more  of  the   cascading  effect  of  water  over  the  rocks...
 
 
 
 
 
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 PS:-  Photoshopped  your  pics  a  little  just  to  see  how  it  would  look  ....
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 I  am  zapped  !  
 Hats  off  to  the  dedication  and  research  and  the  implementation.
   Bow  
 
 Nice  read  after  a  long  time.
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 Nayak  Excellent  Implementation.  Thumb Up  
 
 
 
 
                                                 
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Hats  off  Nayak  Thumb Up  
 
 I  really  appreciate  the  research,  time,  energy  and  care  that  has  gone  into  your  'tope.
 
 I  cannot  envisage  anything  more  acurately  simulating  the  ecosystem  in  the  wild.
 
 I  guess  your  fish  really  feel  at  home............  What  is  your  opinion  about  good  setup=fishes  feeling  at  home=  spawning?  
 
 I  ask  this  because  I  wanna  see  if  it  could  be  used  as  a  guage  to  assess  a  setup......cause  at  the  end  we  all  want  to  have  the  satisfaction  of  being  true  to  ourselves  and  the  fish.  
 
 Once  again  I  say.........your  setup  looks  awesome.  Thumb Up                

 
 
 Nayak  I  too  am  curious....  Smile      :)
 
 
 
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Thanks,  Guys.  I  really  appreciate  it  Very Happy  
 
                                                   
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You  sure  have  some  loose  nuts  Nyak.  You  think  about  fish  all  day?   ROFL  
 
 Very  nice  tank.   Thumb Up                

 
 Deb....How  can  you  forget  the  location  yaar?  yes,  that  is  the  exact  place  where  you  got  your  certain  something  which  you  consider  precious  and  delicate,  caught  between  two  rocks  during  the  trip.  And  we  had  to  artfully  get  you  out  ROFL   ROFL   ROFL  
 
 And  the  name  is  Nayak,  Buddy  Smile  
 
 Regards,
 Nayak.                

 
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 Deb,
 
 I  ahve  Trevor's  hard  drive  !!  ROFL   ROFL   ROFL   Thumb Up
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 What  the  hell  are  you  guys  talking  about:  ?  Are  you  guys  serious  or  waht?  I  slipped  on  the  rocks....and  Nayak  you  where  no  where  near
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 I  guess  your  fish  really  feel  at  home............  What  is  your  opinion  about  good  setup=fishes  feeling  at  home=  spawning?  
 
 I  ask  this  because  I  wanna  see  if  it  could  be  used  as  a  guage  to  assess  a  setup......cause  at  the  end  we  all  want  to  have  the  satisfaction  of  being  true  to  ourselves  and  the  fish.                  

 Nayak  I  too  am  curious....  Smile      Smile
 Regards
 Dinesh.                

 Marc,  First  of  all  thanks  for  the  literature  you  sent  me  regarding  the  Biotopes  Very Happy  .  
 Regarding  good  setup=feeling  at  home=spawning,  If  you  provide  them  the  triggers  the  fishes  will  spawn  in  any  type  of  tanks  even  bare  bottom.  So  basically  I  feel  in  Biotopes  there  cannot  be  a  single  parameter  to  guage  a  setup.  It  has  to  be  a  combination  of  parameters  which  mimic  nature  as  near  as  possible  and....this  is  wide  open  to  a  lot  of  individual  interpretations  Chuckle  Finally  the  crux  is,  the  aquarist  being  true  to  himself  and  not  trigger  the  spawning  by  using  RO  water  to  lower  the  TDS  and  claim  fishes  are  spawning  in  the  biotope.  Let  them  do  so  naturally  in  the  given  season  meant  for  them  to  spawn,  and  in  the  WesternGhats  of  India  it  is  the  Monsoons.
 
 
                                                 
joyban  wrote  (View  Post):                
Hi  Nayak,  
 
 Beautifully  done  &  described,
 
 Probably  if  we  add  some  more  round  rocks  on  the  Right  corner  it  may  be  able  to  give  more  of  the   cascading  effect  of  water  over  the  rocks...
 
 
 
 
 
 Regards
 
 Sujoy
 
 PS:-  Photoshopped  your  pics  a  little  just  to  see  how  it  would  look  ....                

 Good  Idea,  Appears  nice  Sujoy.  Thanks  Smile  
 But  it  will  have  to  be  after  the  next  collection  trip  to  the  same  specific  area,  since  I  am  out  of  decors  from  that  area  at  present.
 
 
                                                 
Severumkid  wrote  (View  Post):                
What  the  hell  are  you  guys  talking  about:  ?  Are  you  guys  serious  or  waht?  I  slipped  on  the  rocks....and  Nayak  you  where  no  where  near                

 Poor  Deb,  Old  age  Crying or Very sad  He  is  having  only  bits  and  snatches  of  his  memory  left.
 Madan  Sir,  Think  its  time  to  refresh  his  memory  using  Trevor's  excellent  footage  of  the  memorable  incident?
 
 Regards,
 Nayak.
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 Deepak  -  Excellent  observations  pointed  out.  Clapping  
 Good  to  see  this  thread  go  Sticky,  really  deserved  it!
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