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Tips to convert Discus tank into a Planted Discus Tank

 
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 02, 2006 5:24 pm Post subject: Tips to convert Discus tank into a Planted Discus Tank Reply with quote

 Hi,
 
 I  have  a  Discus  tank  at  home  for  over  a  year  now  and  is  quite  stable  with  all  fishes  healthy.    It  has  always  been  my  dream  to  have  a  beautiful  planted  tank  with  Discus  in  them.    Not  sure  if  I  should  have  started  with  Plants  first  and  then  introduce  Discus  later.    Now  that  I  have  these  beautiful  creatures  alreay  enjoying  their  setup,  I  am  little  skeptical  to  alter  the  setup.    Hence  asking  for  suggestions  to  convert  it  into  a  planted  tank  in  a  safe  manner.
 
 Please  advise.
 
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 Hey  Anand,
 check  out  Nag's  tank  in  the  gallery  and  you  will  get  some  ideas!
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 IMO  i  would  not  convert  my  discus  tank  to  a  planted  one  with  them  if  they  r  not  adults..
 
 Anyways  if  u  want  to  convert  then  here  are  the  links  ..link1
 
 link2
 
 There  are  many  more  on  the  same  site...
 
 Bye..
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 Thanks  Mitul  &  Aquascapes.    
 Looks  like  I  did  not  make  myself  very  clear.    I  have  visited  many  sites  that  explain  how  to  setup  planted  discus  tanks  and  I  know  the  basics  (theory  only  so  far).    Normally  for  a  planted  tank,  first  the  tank  is  setup  only  with  plants  and  when  it  is  stable  looks  like  they  introduce  fish.    Am  I  wrong  in  making  this  assumption  Shocked  ?      My  main  concern  is  that,  I  am  not  very  sure  if  I  can  add  fertilizers,  macros,  micros,  CO2,  etc.,  without  having  any  effect  on  the  discus  out  there.    If  I  have  to  ask  it  differently,  should  I  transfer  the  Discus  fishes  to  a  different  aquarium  1st  and  then  convert  into  a  planted  tank?    Or  can  I  go  ahead  and  introduce  plants,  fertilizers  etc.,  directly  while  the  fishes  are  around?
 
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 i  would  never  do  it..i  have  kept  discus  both  in  planted  and  bare  bottom  tanks  and  they  have  never  looked  more  happier  than  they  do  in  a  bare  bottom  setup...the  daily  large  water  changes  and  clean  water  do  them  a  world  of  good.Having  plants  and  stuff  there  is  a  possibility  of  having  food  stuff  getting  stuck  which  cannot  be  removed  during  water  changes  thus  spoiling  the  water  quality.Also  plants  require  high  lighting  which  discus  somehow  dont  appreciate..
 Why  dont  you  instead  have  a  large  piece  of  drift  wood  in  the  center  with  annubias  and  java  fern  and  some  java  moss  on  it.Maybe  even  some  floating  plants.
 Iam  no  expert  on  discus  its  just  my  observation  on  keeping  them.
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 Anand!
 
 Your  idea  is  a  cool  one,  and  will  surely  work.  Only  thing  is  that  your  discus  should  be  adults.  Thats  the  answer  to  your  question.  Young  discus  cannot  take  the  wide  fluctuations,  and  chemicals  in  a  planted  tank,  as  they  are  growing  then.
 
 This  is  how  you  would  need  to  do  it.  Start  a  tank  where  you  want  the  final  planted  setup.  A  planted  tank  takes  100  days  in  my  opinion  to  mature.  If  you  really  want  to  use  the  tank  that  you  have  housed  your  discus  now,  to  be  the  planted  tank,  get  a  tank  that  would  hold  your  discus  for  these  100  days.  You  could  get  a  second  hand  tank  from  your  LFS  on  an  agreement  that  they  wil  take  it  back,  in  about  3  to  4  months.
 
 Now,  setup  your  planted  tank.  Use  a  sustrate  heating  cable.  This  helps  in  gentle  water  movement  through  the  substrate.  You  will  have  to  use  a  pressurized  CO2  setup[cylinder,  needle  valve,  and  solenoid],  with    the  solenoid  connected  parallel  to  your  Metal  Halide  lighting.  I  would  suggest  a  pH  controller,  as  it  helps  reduce  major  pH  swings  and  fluctuations.  You  can  plant  all  the  plants  that  you  lay  your  hands  on.  Once  the  growth  starts  off,  you  could  slowly  change  over  to  the  slow  growing  plants  and  all  the  exotic  plants  that  you  want.  You  could  introduce  your  algae  crew[ottocinclus  are  great,  SAEs  are  cool  too],  in  the  second  week.  You  could  start  CO2  in  the  second  week,  and  also  start  off  dosing  and  regular  water  changes  from  the  2nd  or  3rd  week.
 
 All  this  will  take  off  well,  you  will  see  an  algae  attack,  and  you  will  resolve  it,  and  you  will  be  able  to  sit  back  and  enjoy  your  tank  on  the  100th  day.
 
 That  is  when  you  can  introduce  your  discus.  At  this  time,  everything  is  do  finetuned  that  you  are  dosing  the  right  amount  of  macros  and  micros,  and  correct  amount  of  CO2,  and  correct  photoperiod,  so  theres  never  an  imbalance  in  your  tank.
 
 Believe  me,  your  discus  will  be  much  happier  in  this  tank,  as  the  water  as  always  sparkling  clean,  and  full  of  oxygen.
 
 Toomanyfish,  try  keeping  discus  in  a  proper  planted  tank,  and  you  will  see  them  displaying  much  better  color,  and  will  be  a  lot  healthier!
 
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 Have  kept  them  in  a  planted  tank  maybe  my  tank  was  just  not  good  enough  then...
 How  would  you  feed  beefheart  in  a  planted  tank?As  far  as    i  have  read  and  i  may  be  wrong  that  the  plants  and  decor  is  only  for  us  does  not  really  matter  to  the  fish  if  its  there  or  not..
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 I  have  never  seen  healthy,  growing  juvenile  discus  in  a  planted  tank  Rolling Eyes
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 Thanks  Nitin  for  your  encouraging  words  and  the  useful  tips.    I  definitely  want  to  give  it  a  try  and  will  keep  you  posted  on  the  progress.
 
 Having  driftwood  &  few  Anubias,  Ferns  &  Moss  is  also  a  good  suggestion  (from  Toomanyfish)  and  I  might  just  start  with  this  suggestion  before  considering  a  full  scale  planted  tank.
 
 Regards  comments  about  BHM,  I  am  not  very  keen  growing  my  discus  very  quickly  and  hence  I've  not  fed  them  BHM  so  far.    So  far  I  am  just  feeding  them  frozen  bloodworms  &  brine  shrimps  alternatively  twice  a  day  and  they  seem  to  enjoy  this  diet!!!
 
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 One  word  of  caution...  
 
 In  case  of  CO2  poisoning,  even  detected  quiet  early,  DISCUS  might  not  survive.    Lost  2  grown  DISCUS  last  week  due  to  CO2  poisoning  where  as  all  the  other  fishes  in  the  tank  survived.
 
 The  otherside  of  it,  they  (DISCUS)  look  absolutely  awesome  in  a  planted  tank.
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 Sriram,
 Thanks  for  the  caution.    To  be  frank  ...  though  I  have  spent  quite  sometime  reading  about  planted  tanks,  I  was  ignorant  of  CO2  poisoning  aspect  so  far.    I  just  did  a  quick  search  on  the  web  now  and  there  seems  to  be  enough  info  on  this  subject.    Will  read  and  try  to  understand  more.    Thanks  again.
 
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 anand  if  i  were  you  i  would  never  tinker  with  a  set  discus  tank...you  just  dont  know  how  your  fish  might  react  to  their  new  envioment..and  they  would  never  grow  to  their  full  potential  in  a  planted  tank..
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 wow.this  post  answered  a  lot  of  questions  ...thanks
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