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PostPosted: Sat Feb 26, 2011 10:34 am Post subject: Re: How to describe a new fish? Reply with quote

 Nothing  mandatory  Ashwin.   You  just  can  go  with  what's  convenient  for  you.   So  many  species  have  been  described  by  experts  abroad  in  recent  times.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 26, 2011 1:36 pm Post subject: Re: How to describe a new fish? Reply with quote

                                                   
madhu_ulysses  wrote  (View  Post):                
Did  you  forget  the  anus  injection?   We  wont  let  you  go  lazy.   Very Happy  
                 

 
 Yup.........good  point.  For  heavy  body  fish  you  gotta  inject  40%  formalin  through  the  anal  opening.  If  you  feel  that  was  not  enough  you  can  make  a  small  slit  between  pelvic  fins  and  the  anal  fin.  For  Large  fish  like  Masheer  or  Labeos  measuring  more  than  two  feet  you  will  need  to  make  a  deep  slit  on  the  right  side  of  the  fish  before  you  soak  the  fish.  
 
 
                                                 
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 try  taking  pictures  of  live  specimen  before  preserving  them.   It  would  be  a  better  idea  if  you  could  take  a  few  pictures  and  note  on  fin/scale  count.                

 
 Live  photographs  are  a  treasure  when  describing.........use  a  photo  tank  for  best  results.  
 
 
                                                 
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 After  its  dead  pin  down  the  fish  on  a  thermocol  sheet  with  fins  spread  and  take  clear  photographs  of  the  below:
 
 -Dorsal  view,  lateral  view  &  anterior  view
 -Clear  pictures  of  snout  &  mouth  parts  showing  barbels  (if  any).
 -Fin  count;  Dorsal,  Pectoral,  Pelvic,  Anal  and  Caudal.
                 

 
 Please  avoid  pinning  the  fins  open  as  it  badly  damages  the  membrane  between  the  rays  and  makes  fin  measurements  wrong.  Use  formalin  to  dab  the  open  fin  and  keep  it  open.   
 
 Photographs  can  be  used  for  reference  but  never  use  them  to  confirm  the  id  of  a  fish.  You  are  more  prone  to  make  mistakes  with  the  morphometrics  and  meristics  counting  from  a  photo  than  the  real  fish.
 
 
                                                 
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 is  it  mandatory  to  deposited  any  specimen  (Indian)  requiring  an  ID  with  ZSI,  can  anyone  register  their  specimens  abroad  with  other  institutes?
                 

 
 Not  mandatory,  some  foreign  authors  do  deposit  in  ZSIs  India  so  that  students  and  other  people  who  cannot  go  abroad  can  access  their  material.  It  is  more  a  goodwill  gesture  than  a  rule  Smile
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 27, 2011 8:40 am Post subject: Re: One confusion Reply with quote

 Great  thread  Tirtha.
 
 
                                                 
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In  addition  to  Marc's,   it  all  boils  down  to  one  simple  fact.   Do  you  want  to  work  on  it  to  understand  them  better  or  for  bragging  rights?   Generally  people  who  do  it  for  the  former  get  a  reputation  and  the  ones  who  get  desperate  for  the  later  are  considered  clowns.
 The  problem  with  our  native  is,  most  of  what  we  know  for  now  is  either  highly  approximate  or  way  too  old.   Taxonomy  is  no  different  from  other  branches  of  science.   What  seems  accurate  today  might  be  rubbished  tomorrow.   So  its  all  upto  the  individual  either  to  rot  and  die  blowing  his  own  trumpet  or  make  a  base  on  which  later  generations  can  work  on  so  that  they  don't  have  to  waste  time  working  from  ground  zero.                

 
 Well  said  Madhu.  Marc,  thanks  a  lot  for  your  inputs.  Thanks  also  to  the  other  members  for  adding  their  views  here.  
 
 Marc,  expect  lotsa  specimens  from  this  part  of  S.  India   Smile  .  Will  keep  an  eye  out  for  P.  filamentosus  complex  for  you.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 27, 2011 11:04 am Post subject: Re: One confusion Reply with quote

                                                   
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 Marc,  expect  lotsa  specimens  from  this  part  of  S.  India   Smile  .  Will  keep  an  eye  out  for  P.  filamentosus  complex  for  you.                

 
 Thanks  Gokul........It  would  be  a  great  help.
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