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PostPosted: Fri Mar 11, 2011 1:23 am Post subject: Re: MH lighting for a 60cm glosso tank? Reply with quote

 wow.  that  was  horrible.  seriously  :P
 
 will  look  for  a  test  kit  now.  would  not  want  something  like  this.  :P
 
 can  you  please  give  me  your  tank  details?  and  a  FTS?  do  you  have  a  thread  running  for  this?  if  yes,  i  will  check  that  Smile
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 12, 2011 4:49 pm Post subject: Re: MH lighting for a 60cm glosso tank? Reply with quote

 I  believe  that  a  70  watt  MH  is  the  best  option  of  growing  Glosso.  I  did  not  mean  growing  healthy  TALL  glosso.  Let  us  not  mince  words  here,  At  36  watts  will  give  you  healthy  and  TALL  glosso  with  diatom  as  decorative  high  ligh  patches   Very Happy  .  
 
 Jam  it  with  pressurised  Co2  at  4  bubbles  per  second,  crank  up  the  ferts  and  keep  water  parameters  in  line.  
 
 Huh....36  watt  and  a  creeping  glosso  carpet.  Like  joining  a  F1  race  with  a  old  bicycle   Chuckle
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 12, 2011 9:13 pm Post subject: Re: MH lighting for a 60cm glosso tank? Reply with quote

                                                   
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 Jam  it  with  pressurised  Co2  at  4  bubbles  per  second,  crank  up  the  ferts  and  keep  water  parameters  in  line.  
 
                 

 
 Just  a  lil  clarification  mate...
 BPS  count  isnt  the  most  reliable  way  of  measuring  CO2.
 
 If  you  have  a  sleek  glass  bubble  counter,  then  it  produces  tiny  miniscule  bubbles,  while  a  dymax(or  any  airtight  container-type)  bubble  counter  produces  3-5  times  the  size  of  bubbles  from  a  glass-type  bubble  counter.  So  even  1bps  from  dymax  is  equal  to  4-5bubbles  from  glass  counters.  So  be  very  careful  with  it.  Better  use  a  color  indicator  for  it  and  observe  and  experiment  for  a  few  days  before  adding  any  fishes.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 12, 2011 10:57 pm Post subject: Re: MH lighting for a 60cm glosso tank? Reply with quote

 yes,  you  are  absolutely  right  Hamza.  Good  point  that  you  mentioned  Co2  indicator.  You  keep  Co2  near  the  yellow  level,  and  you  will  do  good.  But  as  I  said,  the  other  things  has  to  fall  in  place.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 12, 2011 11:14 pm Post subject: Re: MH lighting for a 60cm glosso tank? Reply with quote

 Hi  Hamza.
 
 Can  you  please  post  the  detail  of  wattage  of  lights  used  per  volume,  so  that  it  will  help  us  to  choose  better  things  for  glosso.
 
 Thank  you.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 13, 2011 2:38 am Post subject: Re: MH lighting for a 60cm glosso tank? Reply with quote

 @Dev...Neil's  major  concern  is  high  temperature,  you  just  cant  get  it  low  to  required  level(with  an  MH)  without  a  chiller  and  summer  is  upfront,  whats  the  use  of  boiling  plants  unnecessarily?
 Good  quality  PLLs+  good  brand  ballasts(800series  and  above)  are  a  pretty  decent  combo,  they  produce  over  80lumens  per  watt  and  are  quite  intense.  I  have  seen  900series  PLLs  from  Aquazonic  in  10000k  range,  these  are  quite  good,  but  a  bit  pricey  too.
 
 My  tank  is  around  a  100l  in  volume  and  is  lit  by  nearly  145w(6500k)  of  fluorescents(T5,  T8s,  PLLs  and  CFL).  My  lights  are  around  6"  apart  from  water  surface  and  all  carpet  plants  are  growing  as  they  are  supposed  to.
 
 On  the  indicator  -  Bright  green  for  moderately  planted  and  lime  green  for  densely  planted  tanks  is  essential  and  yellow  means  danger  level,  your  fish  wont  survive  that.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 13, 2011 2:58 am Post subject: Re: MH lighting for a 60cm glosso tank? Reply with quote

 Hmmm  MH  can  have  heat  issues  in  Mumbai.
 
 Your  tank  is  4WPG.
 
 Hmmm...how  many  times  have  your  indicator  turned  yellow?
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 13, 2011 9:23 am Post subject: Re: MH lighting for a 60cm glosso tank? Reply with quote

 Dev...wpg  a  bit  more  than  that
 
 To  be  honest  it  happened  twice  with  me,  Once  fishes  were  gasping  quite  badly  and  a  few  were  upside  down,  I  saw  the  tank  on  time,  had  some  stored  water  luckily,  did  50%water  change  and  aerated  the  tank  heavily,  every  single  one  of  them  recovered  in  1  hour.
 
 Second  time,  it  was  too  late  and  I  lost  over  50shrimps  and  50  fishes  Sad  that  was  the  biggest  loss  I  ever  had,  there  were  some  old  fishes  that  were  raised  for  good  long  time.  
 
 Then  I  got  a  solenoid  and  I  run  CO2  for  just  10  hours  per  day  now.  Previously  24x7  with  2-3bps  count.
 
 Pictures  here  -  http://indianaquariumhobbyist.com/community/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=22949
 
 @Neil...sorry  mate,  its  going  a  bit  off  topic  here.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 13, 2011 12:02 pm Post subject: Re: MH lighting for a 60cm glosso tank? Reply with quote

 50  fish  gone?  now  thats  bad.  same  thing  happened  to  me  a  few  weeks  back.  i  used  to  run  the  CO2  at  2  BPS  24X7.  the  cylinder  was  almost  full  going  by  the  pressure  on  the  regulator.  next  morning  when  i  woke  up  and  saw,  there  was  no  CO2  coming  out  of  the  diffuser.  immediately  checked  the  cylinder  and  it  was  empty.  lost  all  the  50+  RCS  that  i  had  and  around  8  of  them  were  carrying  eggs  and  also  lost  8  ottos.  that  was  all  the  fish  i  had  in  my  tank.  got  the  cylinder  refilled  and  also  got  a  solenoid  valve.  now  the  CO2  turns  on  and  off  with  the  lights.  
 
 @  Dev
 
 i  was  looking  at  2x36W  anyways.  not  a  single  36W  Smile  but,  i  may  go  for  1  x  55W  PLL  and  2  x  T5s.  because  i  think  this  setup  will  generate  less  heat  than  2  x  36W  PLL.  correct  me  if  i  am  wrong  here  :)
 
 can  anyone  here  please  tell  me  how  often  are  we  supposed  to  change  the  indicator  in  the  drop  checker?  i  am  planning  to  get  one  drop  checker  and  started  a  thread  for  this  in  the  CO2  section,  but  no  one  replied  :(
 
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 That  happens  when  you  buy  just  about  any  product  that  comes  to  you  at  the  cheapest,  most  of  the  times.  Have  had  happened  with  me  also,  I  have  also  lost  quite  a  few  once  but  not  anywhere  like  50  numbers   Sad  
 
 I  do  not  want  to  hurt  you  by  the  above  statement,  just  wanted  newbies  to  know  that  going  for  a  good  quality  Co2  setup  is  not  a  luxury  but  a  basic  requirement  for  long  term  well  being  of  the  fauna,  Flora  and  the  owner.
 
 How  ever,  answering  your  question  of  WHAT  is  a  good  option,  I  think  55  W  PLL  along  with  2  T8s  as  you  have  mentioned  is  more  harmful  than  the  MH.  Why  I  say  this  is  because,  MH  will  be  12"  above  the  water  level.  Heat  will  have  enough  escape  routes,  where  as  if  you  are  going  for  the  other  option,  you  will  have  them  nearer  to  water  surface  with  less  ventilation.  If  you  suspend  them  like  a  MH  and  hang  it  12"  above  water,  you  are  wasting  your  costly  light.  Also  you  will  see  half  the  results  of  MH  if  you  hand  your  PLL  and  T8  12"  above  the  water  surface..
 
 Hope  this  helps.  Just  my  2  annas.  
 
 But  be  it  what  ever,  you  will  surely  have  heat  issues  with  glosso  in  Mumbai  weather.  Summers  in  Mumbai  and  Kolkata  are  extremely  harmful  for  any  plant  what  so  ever  as  the  humidity  in  the  weather  makes  fans  almost  worthless.  Only  respite  is  an  AC.  Keeping  this  in  mind,  I  would  not  have  started  a  glosso  tank,  just  when  the  summer  in  knocking  on  our  doors  IMHO.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 13, 2011 3:36 pm Post subject: Re: MH lighting for a 60cm glosso tank? Reply with quote

 @  Dev
 
 what  do  you  think  about  Yamato  regulators?  those  things  do  not  come  cheap.  about  the  CO2  dump  thing,  i  think  it  happens  with  any  single  stage  regulators.  and  dual  stage  regulators  are  costly  as  hell  Sad  
 
 about  PLLs  being  more  harmful  than  MH,  yeah  even  i  was  thinking  that.  but  now  i  am  totally  confused  -__-"  
 
 i  know  a  guy  near  my  house  who  is  using  2  x  150W  MH  for  his  3  feeter.  need  to  go  to  his  place  to  see  how  much  they  heat  up  and  how  he  manages  the  heat.  i  have  never  seen  him  using  more  than  1  x  12  cm  cooling  fan.  
 
 may  be  not  in  summer,  but  i  will  start  the  tank  in  the  monsoon  then.
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@  Dev
 
 what  do  you  think  about  Yamato  regulators?  those  things  do  not  come  cheap.  about  the  CO2  dump  thing,  i  think  it  happens  with  any  single  stage  regulators.  and  dual  stage  regulators  are  costly  as  hell  Sad  
 
                 

 
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