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PostPosted: Sun Mar 26, 2006 6:37 pm Post subject: hi Reply with quote

 I  fully  agree  with  both  of  you  that  it  will  be  a  big  problem;  but  as  you  can  see  in  US  already  there  is  a  ban  on  liverock  picking.  We  will  have  it  soon  too.  So  a  bit  of  delay  is  OK  I  think.
 Seed  rocks  we  have  I  think.
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 Hi,
 
 My  long  term  plan  is  to  have  reef  tank  with  fish....  bigger  the  better.
 
 It's  going  to  have  DIY  LR  seeded  with  real  LR.
 It's  a  long  term  plan,  and  I  don't  mind  waiting.
 
 The  DIY  LR  process  is  also  a  self  thought  one.  When  I  succeed/don't  succeed  with  the  process  to  make  natural  shaped  porous  cement  based  pieces,  I'll  post  here.
 
 It's  a  long  term  plan,  as  I  am  not  at  home  6  months  a  year,  I  guess  the  experience  of  almost  a  decade,  running  my  planted  tanks  over  satellite  phone  conversations  will  come  in  handy.  I  am  maybe  waiting  for  the  satellite  communications  cost  to  drop  a  bit  more.  ROFL
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 26, 2006 7:33 pm Post subject: Re: Live Rock Reply with quote

                                                   
cokeamod  wrote:                

 Don't  you  guys  remember  one  thing?  
 The  rocks  that  we  use  are  full  of  holes  which  go  through  the  stone  (if  selected  that  is).  So  in  that  case,  the  surface  area  increases  tremendously  also  in  some  rocks  giving  a  chance  for  anaerobic  bacteria  to  settle  deep  inside  the  stone.
 So  i  dont  agree  that  a  large  rock  (if  full  of  small  holes)  isn't  as  better  as  10  small  rocks.
 Regards,
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 dear  amod,
 the  holes  you  refer  to  are  actually  anoxic  which  prevents  the  aerobic  bacteria  to  colonise  inside  the  rock  even  if  the  aerobic  bacteria  colonises  there  it  will  be  soon  killed  in  a  oxygen  depleted  condition  -  the  live  rock  is  a  combination  of  both  oxic  and  anoxic  zones!
 the  aerobic  bacteria  only  colonises  on  the  open  surface  of  the  live  rock  as  it  is  in  constant  contact  with  oxygenated  water  and  helps  the  aerobic  bacteria  to  survive.
 the  crevices  and  the  holes  you  refer  to  is  home  to  anoxic  bacteria  or  an-aerobic  bacteria  which  consumes  'nitrates'  -  the  end  product  of  the  aerobic  or  oxic  zone!
 thus  the  live  rock  is  given  utmost  importance  in  the  reef  or  marine  set-up  -  
 It  is  a  complete  biological  filter  nature  has  devised  for  us!
 as  for  the  size  of  the  rock  -  well  it  all  depends  upon  the  aquascaping  of  the  tank!  -  do  you  just  want  a  large  piece  of  rock  staring  you  straight  in  the  eye  or  do  you  want  a  rock-work  of  smaller  pieces  well  arranged  to  sooth  the  eyes  of  the  on-looker!
 Moreover,  more  rocks  =  more  bacteria  (yes  it  is  true  -  no  matter  how  big  a  rock  you  select  -  the  smaller  LR  will  definately  do  a  good  job  in  a  small  tank  than  a  big  one)
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 hi  Smile
 
 just  wanted  to  know  the  right  procedure  of  cycling  a  4  foot  tank  with  uncured  live  rock  instead  of  damsels?
 
 uncured  LR  =  stinky,  right?
 
 so  can  i  set  up  my  prospective  tank  with  the  RO  water  (270  ltrs)  mixed  with  synthetic  red  sea  salts,  UGs,  coral  sand,  top  filters  and  add  uncured  live  rock  in  it  to  start  the  cycle  it?  
 
 oh  yes,  i  dont  have  a  skimmer  yet...  believe  a  airstone  based  is  no  use  in  my  sized  tank  (46"  x  19"  x  20")
 
 if  i  do  this?  would  i  have  to  do  a  water  change...  which  obvioulsy  would  be  expensive  considering  the  rate  of  red  sea  sand  /  kg  Very Happy
 
 well  good  economic  practical  suggestions  awaited!
 
 danko!
 
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 hey,
 why  can't  we  have  the  kitten  and  rabbit  talk  in  the  chit-chat  section?
 Nothing  personal  but  when  I  opened  the  thread  and  saw  the  rabbit  in  the  post    Surprised  I  wondered  what  it  was  Chuckle  
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but  i  do  remember  reading  that  i  could  place  an  uncured  in  a  fishless  tank  and  cure  the  rock  as  well  as  cycle  the  tank  simultaneously.                

 it  is  possible  unless  you  cure  the  rocks  properly  and  I  think  a  air  powered  skimmer  should  be  sufficient  for  the  tank  size  you  mention  -  I  use  an  air  powered  skimmer  for  200ltr.  reef  tank    Thumb Up  did  not  have  a  problem  till  date!
 curing  live  rocks  -  a  ha  it  is  a  discussion  all  by  itself  and  needs  a  long  post  let  me  tell  you  how  I  do  it  -  I  have  a  plastic  crate  (around  100ltrs)  ready  and  full  of  50%  tank  water  or  water  I  keep  aside  when  I  change  my  tank  water  and  50%newly  prepared  salt  water  -  I  place  the  air-powered  skimmer  in  the  crate  and  a  power-filter  (I  don't  use  a  power  head  as  the  fine  coral  sand  that  might  come  along  on  the  rocks  would  choke  up  the  rotor  and  damage  the  plastic  casing)  -  I  keep  the  filter  running  24X7  (the  skimmer  is  attached  to  the  main  blower)  so  is  always  on!
 day  one  :  just  introduce  the  rocks  one  by  one  in  the  crate  and  let  them  stay  for  a  day
 day  three  :  pick  up  the  rocks  one  by  one  and  take  them  in  a  bucket  and  just  scrub  them  with  a  baby  toothbrush  (gently)  and  take  off  all  dead  or  decaying  matter  on  the  LR  (if  the  LR  has  some  mushrooms  or  any  other  live  matter  (including  coralline  algae  and  sponges)on  them  it  becomes  compulsory  to  keep  the  rocks  immersed  all  the  time  in  the  bucket  and  to  take  utmost  care  of  not  damaging  the  inverts  on  the  LR
 day  four  :  fill  a  bucket  of  water  and  put  a  power  filter  in  it  (should  not  be  a  very  powerful  filter  or  it  will  splash  water  all  over)  just  pick  up  the  rocks  one  by  one  and  take  them  in  the  bucket  and  hold  them  against  the  water  current  to  ensure  all  the  holes  and  pores  get  sufficient  water  circulation  through  them  -  this  ensures  all  loose  debries  on  and  inside  the  LR  to  give  way  and  get  sucked  up  by  the  filter  (if  there  are  many  rocks  you  might  have  to  change  the  water  in  the  bucket)
 day  five  :  the  live  rocks  are  ready  for  curing  in  a  qurantine  tank  (in  your  case  the  main  tank)  where  you  have  to  take  care  to  maintain  proper  water  parameters  to  ensure  the  live  rock  remains  'live'
 in  between  the  above  procedure  should  be  repeated  once  or  twice  depending  upon  the  live  rocks'  condition  (I  generally  take  a  small  power  head  and  direct  the  flow  towards  the  different  rocks  to  ensure  proper  water  current  to  wash  out  all  undesirable  waste  products  -  I  would  recommend  a  complete  water  test  before  introduction  of  fish  and  if  need  be  change  about  30-40%  water  a  couple  of  days  prior  to  the  introduction  of  fish
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lets  not  get  too  nippy  on  me  wabbit  man,  its  a  sensitive  issue  ..::nip  nip::..                  

 it  should  not  be  a  sensitive  issue  we  all  are  friends  here  and  IAH  will  be  a  better  place  if  we  understand  each-other  better!
 as  far  as  the  animals  go  I  have  a  long  list..myself    Very Happy  and  the  moderators  will  be  mad  at  me  if  I  list  them  all  here    Smile                

 
 hey,  i  was  just  kidding  man!  i  know  we're  all  buddies  here  and  thats  why  we're  here  on  the  forum  to  learn  and  to  guide.  and  also  thats  why  there's  a  li'l  bit  of  irrelevant  chit-chat  every  now  and  then  in  odd  threads!
 
 do  PM  me  what  other  pets  u  have,  or  start  a  thread  in  the  chit  chat  section..  strange,  butt  madan  deleted  the  pics  of  my  cats  staring  at  the  aquarium...  ho  well,  its  more  his  forum  than  ours..  fishy  Wink
 
 coming  back  to  Live  Rock,  does  it  neccessarily  have  to  be  kept  soaked  in  marine  water  to  cycle?  i  do  understand  that  thats  done  to  keep  the  living  organisms  on  it  alive,  but  considering  that  i  got  most  of  these  rocks  dried  and  out  of  water,  presumably  out  of  water  of  any  kind  for  a  long  long  time!
 
 whats  say?
 
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 Hi
 Where  can  I  get  live  rock  in  Mumbai  ..  (  how  many  shoud  i  put)  
 
 do  you  need  base  rock  for  set  up  of  38  x  16  x  20  tank  
 
 planning  to  put    two  artificial  corals  in  it  (one  :    size  12  x  5  x  7  inches    )  
 and  one  smaller  one  
 
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coming  back  to  Live  Rock,  does  it  neccessarily  have  to  be  kept  soaked  in  marine  water  to  cycle?  i  do  understand  that  thats  done  to  keep  the  living  organisms  on  it  alive,  but  considering  that  i  got  most  of  these  rocks  dried  and  out  of  water,  presumably  out  of  water  of  any  kind  for  a  long  long  time!  
 whats  say?                  

 YES  the  use  of  salt  water  is  cumpolsury  or  the  rocks  will  start  smelling  and  slowly  start  decaying  and  will  become  dead  rocks  which  can  be  used  as  raw  unseeded  'wannabe'  live  rocks!
 It  would  have  been  better  if  you  could  upload  a  snap  of  the  rocks  -  I  think  if  the  rocks  were  dry  for  a  looong  time  they  probably  are  'ex'  live  rocks  or  just  some  base  rocks  seeded  with  coralline  which  would  be  dead  without  water  till  now  Sad  
 ideally  a  live  rock  looks  like  this
 
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 Thanks  aquascapes,  i'l  post  pics  tomorrow,  yes,  they  have  been  out  of  water  for  quite  some  time!  how  do  i  know  if  they  are  still  live?  
 
 
                                                 
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 Where  can  I  get  live  rock  in  Mumbai  ..  (  how  many  shoud  i  put)  
 
 do  you  need  base  rock  for  set  up  of  38  x  16  x  20  tank  
 
 planning  to  put    two  artificial  corals  in  it  (one  :    size  12  x  5  x  7  inches    )  
 and  one  smaller  one  
 
 rgds                

 
 try  calling  Shankar  from  the  forum...  he's  got  quality  stuff!  and  he  does  frequent  mumbai!
 
 Shaji
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 [quote="aquascapes"]                                                  
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 It  would  have  been  better  if  you  could  upload  a  snap  of  the  rocks  -  I  think                  

 
 here  u  go:  pics  of  a  live  rock:
 
 
 
 
 
 well?
 
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 Mate  these  are  dead  coral  skeletons  and  not  live  rocks    Shocked  
 who  told  you  they  are  live  rocks?
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 i  figurd...  this  sardar  friend's  friend  gane  it  to  him  and  i  snatched  em  all  away  from  him  because  he  doesnt  have  a  marine.
 
 but  they  sure  do  stink  awfully  bad..
 
 so  can  i  atleast  use  it  as  decor?
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 ROFL  
 
         Shaji,you  do  pack  quite  a  bit  of  surprise  in  your  posts.The  "live  rock"  pics  were  quite  a  twist  in  the  tale.
         Dont  mind  my  saying  it,but  shaji,try  to  focus....try  to  learn  as  much  as  you  can  about  your  marine  tank  before  you  jump  into  it.That  way  you  would  be  adding  constructively  to  the  threads.If  it  were  not  for  aquascape's  request  to  see  your  live  rock,you'd  be  busy  "curing"  dead  coral.
         Focus  pal,focus,and  research!  Smile
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 But  from  these  mistakes,  those  people  who  does  not  know  about  Live  Rocks  can  actually  learn  too....Now  such  people  will  know  from  this  thread  that  it  was  not  a  Live  rock,  but  a  dead  coral.  
 After  all,  no  geniuses  and  experts  were  born  like  that.....they  all  became  like  that  learning  from  their  mistakes.
 Am  not  for  a  debate  or  quarrel  here,  but  just  giving  a  friendly  thought  Smile
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 cool.....cool.....(edited  out!)
 well,  yes  we  all  learn  from  each  other's  mistakes  and  we  all  err!
 It  is  human  to  err!
 I'd  say  it  should  not  be  a  problem  to  add  the  coral  skeleton  to  your  tank  as  it  is  porous  enough  to  become  'live'  with  due  course  of  time!
 so  go  ahead  and  treat  the  dead  coral  skeleton  with  Hcl  (hydro  chloric  acid)  to  stop  it  from  stinking!
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