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PostPosted: Fri Aug 05, 2011 1:55 pm Post subject: Aviary with fish pond??? Reply with quote

 HI....
 
 Am  planning  to  make  aviary  in  my  garden....size  is  10  feet  by  5  feet.  Was  wondering  if  I  could  add  a  waterfall  and  pond  in  this.  around  a  4  x  3  feet  pool  with  a  depth  of  around  1  foot,  since  it  will  partly  be  in  the  shade,  algae  wont  be  a  problem,  with  a  waterfall  and  a  small  stream  of  water  after  the  pond  which  empties  itself  in  a  filteration  sump  which  in  turn  feeds  the  waterfall  with  a  small  pump.
 
 
 What  are  the  critical  points  I  shud  look  out  for??
 
 Has  anyone  seen  anything  similar  which  could  give  something  to  work  with.  What  fishes  can  I  add  in  this.  The  Aviary  will  house  a  few  cockatiels  and  budgies,  around  18  in  all.  I  am  aware  of  the  droppings  factor  and  I  think  a  good  way  to  avoid  this  would  be  to  make  sure  that  none  of  the  perches  are  over  the  water.
 
 What  else  shud  I  look  out  for??
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 05, 2011 2:37 pm Post subject: Re: Aviary with fish pond??? Reply with quote

 You  can  very  well  add  a  waterfall.But  beware,  there  wont  be  much  of  a  scope  of  interacting  with  the  birds.And  you  will  need  to  make  a  two  stage  door.A  normal  door  gives  more  than  enough  space  for  birds  to  escape.
 google  it  up,  you  will  find  many  many  results  just  like  your  idea.
 Do  keep  it  posted  and  dont  let  go  of  the  idea,its  in  my  mind  too  Chuckle  
 
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 05, 2011 4:50 pm Post subject: Re: Aviary with fish pond??? Reply with quote

 good  idea  ,but  the  droppings  can  really  mess  up  the  water.  and  also  there  is  a  chance  that  fledgelings  can  drown  and  also  adults..budgies  are  easily  frightened  at  night  and  may  fall  in  the  water  and  get  the  feathers  too  waterlogged  to  get  out.  
 if  i  were  you  id  prefer  lovebirds  which  roost  in  nest  boxes  at  night,  smaller  than  cockateils,and  enjoys  humidity  more  than  budgies  and  cockateils.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 05, 2011 5:30 pm Post subject: Re: Aviary with fish pond??? Reply with quote

 tiels  and  budgies  dont  get  along  well,the  tiels  get  kicked  by  budgies  badly,
 if  u  have  a  pond  in  the  avairy  chances  of  dead  birds  are  quite  high  and  the  water  will  become  green  due  to  the  bird  droppings,
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 05, 2011 8:17 pm Post subject: Re: Aviary with fish pond??? Reply with quote

                                                   
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good  idea  ,but  the  droppings  can  really  mess  up  the  water.  and  also  there  is  a  chance  that  fledgelings  can  drown  and  also  adults..budgies  are  easily  frightened  at  night  and  may  fall  in  the  water  and  get  the  feathers  too  waterlogged  to  get  out.  
 if  i  were  you  id  prefer  lovebirds  which  roost  in  nest  boxes  at  night,  smaller  than  cockateils,and  enjoys  humidity  more  than  budgies  and  cockateils.
 keep  us  updated..                

 
 Lovebirds  and  budgies  are  almost  the  same  in  temprament,  IMO.Though  budgies  are  cheaper.  Chuckle  
 If  i  were  you  ,i  would  go  for  finches.They  are  pretty  small,active  and  enjoy  water.And  smaller  birds  means  less  poop,  less  problems.
 Gouldian,star  and  zebra  finches  are  the  ones  you  should  check  out.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 05, 2011 10:13 pm Post subject: Re: Aviary with fish pond??? Reply with quote

 @ashwin..i  meant  lovebirds  roost  in  the  nest  boxes  at  night  and  budgies  dont.
 
 finches  would  be  great  too..  Thumb Up  .  like  the  idea  of  the  small  finches  having  a  10x5  aviary  to  fly  around,mine  are  in  a  6x3  and  even  there  seem  to  have  so  much  space..
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 05, 2011 10:31 pm Post subject: Re: Aviary with fish pond??? Reply with quote

 The  Biggest  upside  of  having  finches  there  is  that,  you  will  never  have  a  dull  moment.
 And  if  you  wish,  you  can  easily  tame  a  big  flock  of  finches.So  when  you  enter  the  cage,  instead  of  running  away,they  will  use  you  as  a  perch  Chuckle
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 the  only  downside  i  see  with  finches  is  the  price  factor....I  have  heard  that  lady  Gouldians  sell  for  like  2k  a  pair...plus  the  colors  I  can  get  in  budgies  will  be  many  more.....can  do  a  shallower  depth  as  well....say  six  inches  to  remove  the  drowning  factor,.....but  then  all  I  would  be  able  to  keep  is  platies  and  mollies.
 
 
 My  idea  was  to  get  a  more  natural  stream  and  pond  like  environment  along  with  a  few  small  trees  in  the  aviary  for  the  birds  which  would  give  them  cleaner  water  and  a  more  pleasing  look  to  the  overall  setup....being  a  aquarist,  the  idea  of  the  fish  hit  me....where  is  a  good  and  relatively  cheap  place  to  buy  finches  or  lovebirds  in  bangalore???  any  ideas
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 Gouldians  will  be  the  only  ones  costly,you  can  get  zebras  for  astonishingly  cheap  prices,  10%  of  the  gouldian.Plus  if  you  get  them  in  bulk  from  a  breeder,  you  can  get  gouldians  very  cheap  too.Tiels  are  costly  too.
 
 I  dont  know  about  any  place  but  ive  come  across  many  breeders  on  the  net,  based  in  banglore.
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 Pond  installation:  
 
 Pictured  left  is  my  goldfish  pond  in  the  backyard.  Put  in  a  pond  is  a  lot  of  work!  Not  for  the  fainthearted,  believe  me.  I  put  the  first  two  and  threw  myself  back  in  the  process.  It  is  very  difficult  for  a  small  woman  who  does!  I  had  absolutely  no  help  and  was  a  horrible  ordeal.  When  I  wanted  the  pond  in  1200  liters  to  hire  people  to  do,  but  they  were  very  good  and  ended  up  having  to  redo  the  whole  edge  and  install  all  the  blocks  around  the  edge.  At  least  I  did  not  have  to  dig  the  hole,  but  still  it  was  a  lot  to  me  little  old  to  do  it  myself.  There  are  plenty  of  websites  with  instructions  on  how  to  install  a  pond,  so  I  will  not  cover  all  that  because,  frankly,  I'm  really  not  very  good  at  it!  The  problem  is  that  in  South  Florida  who  have  no  land  or  clay  -  that  have  sandy  soil  with  lots  of  rocks!  Once  you  dig  the  hole  and  put  the  liner  on  the  edge  of  sinking  into  the  sandy  soil  and  does  not  stagnate!  In  fact,  put  me  under  the  cover  paving  stones  on  the  edge  when  installing  new  front  pond  and  I  ended  up  digging  up  the  edge  of  the  pond  and  put  pavers  back  under  his  shirt  as  well.  So  far  so  good,  but  not  exactly  perfect!  That  certainly  fare  better  with  piping  on  the  top  edge  of  the  shirt.  The  covenants  under  the  weight  of  sand  that  helps  to  prevent  caving  in.  They  also  look  good!  I  could  never  afford  the  stone  very  nice  song  to  do,  so  I  settled  for  the  blocks  on  the  cobblestones  in  front  and  back.  My  other  problem  is  getting  the  level  of  the  rim.  I'll  never  get  that  part  right  and  in  my  life.  I  do  not  know  how  the  pond  professional  installers  do  it!  
 
 It  is  necessary  to  locate  the  pond  in  an  appropriate  environment.  Never  place  a  pond  near  a  large  tree  or  plant  that  sheds  a  lot  and  /  or  has  a  large  root  system.  If  a  plant  has  a  deep  root  system  and  several  feet  away  that  would  be  fine,  but  the  trees  spread  their  roots,  thirty  feet  puncture  your  pond  liner  or  pre-made  lagoon  shape.  We  also  need  at  least  half  a  day  of  sun  in  the  pond  fish  and  plants,  if  any.  The  ideal  location  will  have  partial  shade  and  sun  side.  
 
 Pond  plants:  
 
 You  can  go  as  crazy  as  you  want  with  the  "water  garden"  aspect  of  having  a  pond.  The  truth  is  that  when  you  have  fish  and  turtles  in  the  pond  is  going  to  eat  your  plants.  You  can  buy  the  lilies  in  containers  that  "help"  to  keep  the  fish  from  eating  them.  You  can  try  other  things  and  put  your  plants  in  a  pond  and  the  placement  of  some  kind  of  fence  to  keep  the  fish.  In  short:  the  fish  are  naturally  going  to  eat  your  plants  because  they  know  he  did  not  want  them!  It  is  natural  to  eat  aquatic  plants,  so  live  in  the  water!  You  may  have  spent  $  4  on  a  plant,  but  fish  to  eat  anyway!  Lilies  can  be  a  very  expensive  gift  for  goldfish  so  plan  carefully  if  you  want  them  and  goldfish.  
 
 Gravel:  
 
 I  used  to  put  gravel  in  the  bottom  of  the  pond,  because  I  read  they  are  supposed  to,  but  I  do  not  think  so.  In  fact,  I  think  the  traps  dirt  gravel  accumulates  more  and  more  ammonia  and  waste  than  you  think.  When  cleaning  the  gravel  pond  and  beat  until  create  chaos  in  the  water  column  and  you  could  smell  the  ammonia.  No  Thanks!  Over  time  algae  will  cover  the  lining  of  vegetation  and  debris  accumulate  on  the  bottom  that  is  more  natural  to  fish.  This  is  sufficient  for  my  pond  now.
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 Would  appreciate  some  pictures.  I  have  read  that  if  you  dont  have  perches  above  the  water  you  will  not  have  much  issues  with  poop  in  the  water.  Most  bird  dont  poop  while  in  flight.  
 
 I  love  birds  and  fish  as  well  so  that  is  cool
 
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 Clapping   Clapping   Clapping   Clapping   Clapping  
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 and  if  they  breed  there  are  chances  of  young  ones  getting  drowned  when  they  start  practice  their  flight....my  peach  faced  chick  died  as  i  had  kept  a  half  filled  bucket  in  my  balcony  aviary   Crying or Very sad
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 22, 2011 10:28 pm Post subject: Re: Aviary with fish pond??? Reply with quote

 my  suggestion...
 
 make  a  waterfall  setup  inside  the  cage  which  will  run  into  a  pond  that  will  be  outside  the  cage....
 
 makes  fish  keeping  easy..!!
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 23, 2011 12:36 am Post subject: Re: Aviary with fish pond??? Reply with quote

                                                   
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and  if  they  breed  there  are  chances  of  young  ones  getting  drowned  when  they  start  practice  their  flight....my  peach  faced  chick  died  as  i  had  kept  a  half  filled  bucket  in  my  balcony  aviary   Crying or Very sad                

 
 Thats  so   Sad
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