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PostPosted: Sat Jan 07, 2006 10:29 pm Post subject: Starting up a Marine Tank!! Reply with quote

 Hello  everone,
 I  came  across  this  excellent  forum  when  searching  for  Marine  resources  in  India.
 I  am  from  Bangalore  and  looking  to  start  up  a  SW  tank  here.  The  original  plan  was  to  go  for  a  FOWLR  and  move  up  to  a  reef  tank,  but  unfortunately  after  finding  out  that  Corals  are  not  legal  to  keep,  I  am  probably  going  with  FOWLR.
 
 What  I  would  like  to  ask  my  fellow  boarders  is    places  and  LFS  in  Bangalore  where  I  can  get  equipment  and  fish  of  course...
 
 I  know  of  one  LFS  who  seems  a  little  pricey  and  I  would  like  to  ask  you  all  how  the  prices  compare  with  elsewhere?
 
 Here  are  the  prices  he  quoted:
 
 Skimmer  -  Rs  3000.00
 LR  -  Rs  190  per  kg
 LS  -  Rs  140  per  kg  
 Water  -  Rs  18  per  lt
 Fish  -  Clowns  -  450  per  pair
 
 Just  want  to  know  if  these  prices  are  reasonable  or  do  I  look  around?


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 I  know  of  one  LFS  who  seems  a  little  pricey  and  I  would  like  to  ask  you  all  how  the  prices  compare  with  elsewhere?  
 Try  negotiating  the  price  with  the  local  LFS  if  he  is  good  and  can  satisfy  all  your  needs.  -  he  is  in  the  business  and  should  be  allowed  the  liberty  to  earn  his  daily  bread.
 
 Here  are  the  prices  he  quoted:  
 Skimmer  -  Rs  3000.00  
 LR  -  Rs  190  per  kg  
 LS  -  Rs  140  per  kg  
 Water  -  Rs  18  per  lt  
 Fish  -  Clowns  -  450  per  pair  
 Just  want  to  know  if  these  prices  are  reasonable  or  do  I  look  around?
 
 To  the  best  of  my  knowledge  -  we  are  not  supposed  to  quote  prices  on  the  forums  -  since  you  already  did  it  there  many  products  on  the  market  which  sell  under  the  banner  of  a  skimmer  and  if  you  are  getting  a  power  skimmer  at  that  rate  along  with  a  power  head  -  fair  enough!
 it  is  indeed  ridiculous  to  note  that  you  have  to  actually  buy  water  ROFL  
 at  that  rate  -  why  don't  you  buy  a  branded  salt  mix  and  make  your  own  water?
 As  far  as  the  rates  of  live  fish  and  rocks  is  concerned  every  LFS  will  differ  in  their  rates  as  the  overhead  exps.  for  them  is  the  major  factor  which  dominates  the  MRP.  (moreover  the  mortality  rate  also  has  to  be  considered)
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 Sorry  about  posting  prices.
 I  had  a  look  around  at  quite  a  few  LFS  and  pretty  much  got  the  idea  of  how  to  go  about  it.
 Some  of  the  other  threads  in  here  are  quite  helpful  so  far.
 
 My  plan  is  to  try  get  a  110  gal  tank  up  and  running  first.  
 Plain  Fish  only  with  live  rock  and  an  anemone.  
 So  what  I  am  going  for  is
 
 1.  40*30*30  (approx)  Tank  -  converting  to  SW
 2.  Trickle  Filter
 3.  Undergravel  filter  -  not  sure  about  this  as  I  ve  heard  its  better  to  leave  it  out.
 4.  10  kg  live  rock
 5.  As  much  base  rock  as  I  can.
 6.  2  inch  substrate
 7.  Powerheads  -  not  sure  if  I  should  have  two  smaller  powerheads  in  opposing  corners  of  the  tank  or  one  big  one.
 8.  Battery  powered  pump  for  emergencies.
 9.  Skimmer  
 10.  Don't  have  a  clue  about  test  kits  and  where  I  can  get  them.    All  I  could  find  was  a  PH  meter.
 11.  Don't  know  much  about  what  lighting  to  use  either.  
 
 I  plan  get  the  tank  and  equipment  setup  first  with  substrate,  LR  and  BR  and  let  it  run  for  a  month  or  so  and  then  add  some  fish  slowly.
 
 Question  on  water  parameters  -  What  kind  of  test  kits  do  you  use  and  do  we  require  anything  other  than  Ammonia,  Nitrites,  Nitrates,  pH,  and  salinity  to  be  tested?
 
 Also  during  emergencies  (read  power  failure  and  no  backup),  how  long  can  the  fish  survive  without  aeration?
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 Recently  I  met  a  guy  in  Kollam.    He  has  an  excellent  set  marine  tank.    He  is  running  an  Shrimp  Hatchery  and  also  a  degree  holder  in  this  field.    He  says  he  can  supply  live  rocks  and  fishes  for  a  cheap  rate.    If  you  need  it  I  can  send  you  his  details.    I'm  trying  to  get  him  on  IAH.
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 To  the  best  of  my  knowledge  -  we  are  not  supposed  to  quote  prices  on  the  forums  -  [/quote]
 Hi,
 In  my  opinion  the  rule  of  not  posting  prices  is  because  of  ungainly  haggelling  over  prices    be  avoided.
 This  would  be  applicable  to  commercial  announcements.
 In  posts  of  ths  type  where  prices  are  posted  by  members  as  part  of  their  qurey  should  not  be  a  problem.
 These  types  of  posts  should  be  promoted  to  spread  awareness  about  various  type  of  equipemnts  &  livestock.
 As  such  India  already  has  a  dearth  of  good  information  on  our  hobby.  Every  aspect  of  making  it  popular  is  required.
 Let  me  know  if  I  am  wrong.
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Thillu  wrote:                
Recently  I  met  a  guy  in  Kollam.    He  has  an  excellent  set  marine  tank.    He  is  running  an  Shrimp  Hatchery  and  also  a  degree  holder  in  this  field.    He  says  he  can  supply  live  rocks  and  fishes  for  a  cheap  rate.    If  you  need  it  I  can  send  you  his  details.    I'm  trying  to  get  him  on  IAH.                

 
 Hi  Thilak,  
 
 Please  do  that.  We  require  such  people  on  board.    Thumb Up
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 Dear  Psimhan,
 1  )  the  tank  size  is  fair  enough
 2  )  Trickle  filter  is  good  but  try  explaining  more  of  it!
 3  )  U.G.Filter  never  appealed  to  me  and  never  will!
 4  )  10  kgs  of  live  rock  is  fine  but  try  buying  light  weight  ones!
 5  )  Base  rock  should  be  only  put  in  as  much  as  required  for  supporting  the  live  rocks  and  provide  as  much  free  swimming  space  as  possible
 6  )  2"  substrate  ok
 7  )  Powerheads  -  two  smaller  powerheads  in  opposing  corners  of  the  tank  is  a  good  idea  but  connect  them  with  a  timer  switch  so  that  they  don't  operate  at  the  same  time
 8  )  Bat.  operated  aerator  is  a  good  idea  but  try  to  look  for  a  AC-DC  pump  which  can  switch-over  automatically  when  there  is  a  power-faliure
 9  )  Power  skimmer  is  a  good  idea!  But  if  you  plan  a  sump  filter  go  in  for  an  external  skimmer  to  give  maximum  free  swimming  space  to  the  fish  and  to  ensure  that  the  water  that  goes  in  the  filter  passes  through  the  skimmer.
 10)  pH  meter  is  good  but  ensure  it  is  meant  for  the  marine  aquarium  use  and  not  for  aquaculture  -  I  will  trust  the  readings  of  a  good  test  kit  
 -  I  use  Azoo  test  kits  and  not  a  problem  with  my  readings  yet!  -A  thermometer,  Spgr  meter,  Nitrite,  Nitrate  and  a  pH  test  kit  (for  marines)  is  all  that  you  need  for  a  basic  set-up.
 11)  use  flo.  tubes  with  a  high  lumen  output  of  8000  to  10000  K  along  with  a  single  actinic  blue  tubelight  to  be  free  from  the  hassels  of  a  chiller
 The  duration  of  the  survival  period  of  a  fish  or  all  fish  in  your  tank  depends  on  many  factors  like  when  did  you  last  feed  the  fish?  -  If  you  have  a  power  faliure  just  after  a  feeding  session  -  I  would  call  it  an  emergency!  There  are  also  other  factors  like  what  is  the  water  temp?  etc.
 To  be  free  from  all  tension  go  in  for  the  above  mentioned  pump  or  a  ups  system  which  back-up  your  PC  (I'm  sure  a  ups  is  cheaper  than  all  the  fish  in  your  tank  Very Happy  )
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 Very  nice  post  aquascapes!    Thumb Up
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 What  ever  you  do  -  keep  us  posted!
 and  Thillu,  please  do  let  me  know  the  degree  a  person  can  graduate  in  for  keeping  a  marine  tank
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 @Aquascapes
 I  ll  definetely  keep  updating  the  thread.  I  ll  probably  have  lots  of  questions  on  how  to  go  about  it  that  I  haven't  thought  of  yet.
 
 @Thillu,
 Please  let  me  know  the  details  of  your  friend.  I  agree  with  Gokulin  on  this.
 
 Anyway  I  ve  cleaned  out  the  fish  room  in  which  the  aquarium  is  going  to  be.  Used  to  be  an  old  storeroom  but  has  some  nice  built  in  shelves  where  I  can  put  quite  a  few  aquariums.  One  SW  and  the  rest  for  my  bettas  and  guppies.
 Actually  planning  to  do  the  wiring  before  any  thing  else  so  updates  will  be  rather  slow,  I  am  afraid.
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 Hey  there  Thilak,
 Good  to  hear  from  you.  I  think  you  have  changed  your  mobile  number  as  i  cant  seem  to  get  through  to  you.  Would  also  like  to  know  more  about  the  Kollam  guy.
 Im  in  trivandrum  tomorrow  morning(19-01-2006).  If  you  are  free  we  can  hook  up.  Otherwise  we  should  meet  up  for  the  Aqua  Show
 You  have  my  mobile  number  right?
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 Dear  psimhan,  kindly  specify  the  type  of  anemone  you  are  willing  to  keep.  Our  reef  has  2  very  attractive  ones  -  heteractis  and  stichodactyla.  The  former  is  a  'clinger'  and  the  latter  one  is  'anchoring'  type  and  requires  a  lot  of  sand  /  substrate  in  terms  of  depth.  2  inch  of  substrate  depth  is  no  way  enough  for  them  (  if  you  want  to  keep  stichos  that  come  in  green,  blue,  grey,  brownish-maroon,  pink  and  yellow  )  and  you  will  see  them  changing  places  very  often,  which  actually  tries  to  find  a  new  place  with  enough  'depth'.  
 
 Since  you  are  a  beginner,  start  with  indian  anemones,  as  they  are  more  hardy,  as  compared  to  the  ones  that  are  posted  on  the  net.
 
 As  for  your  pricing  opinions,  the  best  people  to  guide  you  correctly  are  the  fellow  hobbyists,  who  have  more  local  knowledge.  Since  you  already  
 are  on  IAH,  try  to  get  in  touch  with  ASK,  Bangalore.  Hope  this  helps.
 
 
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 18, 2006 12:00 pm Post subject:  Reply with quote

 aquascapes,  I  meant  he  holds  a  degree  in  fisheries.
 
 psimhan  and  others,  here  is  his  details.    His  name  is  Mr.  Troy.  N.    His  mobile  number  is  9847286344.    His  email  id:  troynatesan  [at]  yahoo  [dot]  com
 
 Phillip,  yes  my  new  mobile  number  is  9447451315.    We  shall  try  meeting  at  Tvm  on  19th.    Will  call  you  tonight.
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 Mr.  Troy  Natesan  joined  us,  he  is  fishcos  in  IAH.
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 Just  a  quick  update.
 Planning  to  get  the  AquaC  remora  which  is  supposed  to  be  a  really  good  hang  on  back  skimmer.
 Anyone  here  with  experience  using  it?
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