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PostPosted: Tue Aug 16, 2011 1:58 pm Post subject: (Update wid new pics) weird disease help plz--- Reply with quote

 Hi  frnds  have  new  kinda  problem  here  and  need  your  help  i  have  4  fish   out  them  2  have  weird  ulsurs  like  thing  on  there  body  and  these  are  expanding  everyday  .its  like  chunks  of  flesh  falling  out.   I  belive  water  quality  is  good  as  i  change  50  water  weekly  plus  siphoning  is  also  done  .  
 what  i  have  done  temp  raised  added  rock  salt  medication  of  antibiotics  and  general  aid  .  1  seems  to  recover  but  the  other  seems  not  to  recover   plz  help.


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 16, 2011 2:10 pm Post subject: Re: weird disease help plz Reply with quote

 Some  more  pics
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 16, 2011 2:41 pm Post subject: Re: weird disease help plz Reply with quote

 Are  the  FHs  behaving  normally?  Or  do  they  have  clamped  fins,  look  lethargic,  don't  eat  etc...?  Are  their  spines  getting  deformed?  Fin  rot?  Grayness?
 Looking  at  the  picture  I  can  think  of  either  a  bacterial  infection  or  fish  TB.  (Which  can  be  transmitted  to  humans  through  cuts  in  the  body  btw).
 
 
 Symptoms  of  Bacterial  infection:  open  red  sores,  lethargy,  no  apetite,  clamped,  sits  at  bottom  or  top,  color  loss.
 Treatment:  Perform  daily  100%  water  changes  and  clean  the  gravel  thoroughly  in  small  tanks,  do  at  least  3/4th  water  change  in  big  tanks.  Treat  the  entire  tank.  Treat  with  Aquarium  Salt  at  1-2tsp/gal  but  do  not  continue  for  more  than  10  days.  If  that  fails,  use  Tetracycline,  Erythromycin,  OR  Mardel’s  Maracyn  I  &  II,  if  you  can  find  it.  PP  is  also  effective  but  needs  to  be  used  carefully..
 
 Symptoms  of  Tuberculosis  (You're  not  going  to  like  this  Sad  )  :  Fish  will  start  acting  sick  for  no  apparent  reason.  Dying  of  unknown  reasons.  Weight  loss,  lethargy,  open  sores,  deformities  (bent  spine),  raised  scales,  fin  and  tail  rot,  gray  lesions,  and  many  others.  Generally,  if  your  fish  are  dying  in  large  amounts  everyday,  it  is  probably  TB.  
 HUMANS  CAN  CONTRACT  TUBERCULOSIS  FROM  FISH,  IT  IS  A  POTENTIALLY  DEADLY  DISEASE.
 Treatment:  There  is  no  known  cure,  it  will  generally  kill  all  fish  that  come  in  contact  with  it.  It  is  highly  contagious.  Bleach  does  not  kill  it  so  throw  away  all  supplies...
 
 I  think  you  should  try  treating  for  bacterial  infection  using  the  antibiotics  such  as  Erythromycin  or  Tetracycline..  If  that  fails,  there  may  be  a  chance  it  is  TB..  Although  I'm  sure  there  must  be  some  disease  I  missed,  that  another  more  experienced  person  could  tell  you.  
 
 I'm  sorry  about  your  FHs  having  issues,  I  hope  they  improve.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 16, 2011 3:27 pm Post subject: Re: weird disease help plz Reply with quote

 Dear  Nisha,  
 
 Could  you  please  provide  authentic  references  for  fish  tb  getting  transmitted  to  humans?  I  am  a  doctor  and  a  pathologist,  and  none  of  our  standard  medical  textbooks  make  a  mention  of  this  type  of  transmission.  I  would  be  more  than  happy  to  learn  something  new,  useful  and  important.
 
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 16, 2011 3:47 pm Post subject: Re: weird disease help plz Reply with quote

 hi  fish  is  eating  properly  but  only  time  they  are  active  is  when  i  feed  them  they  start  jumping  and  splashing  water  otherwise  they  are  quite  lathargic  but  no  clamped  fins  ..yes  as  you7  see  sores  and  wounds  and  scales  are  errect  fixed  symptoms  thats  whats  getting  me  confused.  now  i  have  already  treaded  them  with  paraxin  .
 
 should  i  change  the  treatment  to  tetracyclin  and  also  somebody  gave  me  suggestions  for  pp  should  i  go  for  it.  
 
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 @nisha  thanks  for  your  recommendations  and  support
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 16, 2011 4:05 pm Post subject: Re: weird disease help plz Reply with quote

 Yeah  sure.  It  is  rare  of  course  for  humans  to  get  it  unless  they  have  cuts  on  their  bodies  or  a  lowered  immune  response,  also  marine  fish  are  more  susceptible  to  passing  it  on.  The  TB  appears  in  humans  usually  as  a  granuloma.
 
 http://microbewiki.kenyon.edu/index.php/Mycobacteriosis_(Fish_Tuberculosis)
 
 http://www.aquaticcommunity.com/disease/tbc.php
 
 http://reefkeeping.com/issues/2003-07/sp/feature/index.php  (Marine  fish  tb)
 
 http://emedicine.medscape.com/article/1105126-overview
 
 http://emedicine.medscape.com/article/1105126-overview  
 
 I  hope  this  helps.  I  don't  mean  to  get  every  one  to  panic  but  knowledge  is  power  and  if  we  know  this  is  out  there,  we  can  protect  ourselves  from  it  right?
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 17, 2011 12:17 am Post subject: Re: weird disease help plz Reply with quote

 The  wounds  look  similar  to  a  hole  in  the  head  disease,  the  only  diff  is  its  in  the  body.  If  your  fish  is  acting  normal(i.e.  no  fin  rot,  lethargic  or  discolouraton)  and  eating  that  means  his  immune  system  hasn't  failed  yet.  whats  the  dimensions  of  his  tank?  if  its  more  than  40g  then  try  to  shift  him  in  a  smaller  hospital  tank  and  proceed  with  the  treatment  phase.  Raising  the  temp  above  30  would  be  great  along  with  adding  rock  salt.  Proceed  with  the  treatment  and  do  let  us  know  about  your  progress.  Best  of  luck
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 17, 2011 12:46 am Post subject: Re: weird disease help plz Reply with quote

 Yes  certainly  i  would  do  that  and  keep  u  guys  updated
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 17, 2011 1:03 am Post subject: Re: weird disease help plz Reply with quote

 Dear  Nisha
 
 The  link  you  pasted  is  very  surprising  &  new  for  me  too.   I  have  done  Medical  Transcription  (MT)  for  2  years  but  i  never  heard  about  this  kind  of  issues  humand  can  get  fish  disease  if  it  comes  in  contact.   I  like  to  learn  new  things.  Thanks  too  you,  today,  i  get  some  new  knowledge  which  is  very  important  in  fish  keeping.
 
 Thank  you  once  again.
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 I  agree,  if  you  have  started  a  treatment,  it  is  best  to  finish  it..  Stopping  it  in  the  middle  will  only  make  the  disease  stronger.  If  what  you  try  doesn't  work,  try  the  tetracycline  or  PP  if  you  are  sure  you  can  dose  it  properly..  PP  is  a  strong  oxidising  chemical  and  can  be  dangerous  to  the  fish  when  not  dosed  correctly,  but  it  is  also  very  effective.  If  you  want  to  use  it  in  the  future,  this  is  how  you  decide  dosage:
 http://www.drjohnson.com/expanded/treatments/potassiumpermanganate.htm
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Dear  Nisha
 
 The  link  you  pasted  is  very  surprising  &  new  for  me  too.   I  have  done  Medical  Transcription  (MT)  for  2  years  but  i  never  heard  about  this  kind  of  issues  humand  can  get  fish  disease  if  it  comes  in  contact.   I  like  to  learn  new  things.  Thanks  too  you,  today,  i  get  some  new  knowledge  which  is  very  important  in  fish  keeping.
 
 Thank  you  once  again.                

 
 You're  welcome!  This  was  new  to  me  too  when  I  heard  about  it  around  a  year  ago..  It  is  supposedly  the  dirty  secret  of  fishkeeping  but  can  be  easily  avoided  with  enough  precaution.  I'm  glad  I  can  spread  awareness  about  it.  Smile
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 I  agree  completely.   Very Happy
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 Thanks  Nisha,
 
 Excellent  references,  especially  the  medscape  one.
 
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