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PostPosted: Mon May 16, 2011 10:28 pm Post subject: ATS- Algae Turf Scrubber Reply with quote

 iv  just  made  an  ATS  and  its  now  3  weeks  old,  they  say  it  takes  2-3  months  but  the  result  is  ultimate,  10times  better  then  skimmer....  not  using  any  other  form  of  filter  like  skimmer  xcept  for  HOB  jus  for  surface  turbulance  and  a  wavemaker.  any1  here  is  using  this  system  on  a  reef???   have  researched  on  the  internet  since  6  months  and  have  not  read  any  negative  coments  on  this....
 
 Just  checkout  this  site:  http://forum.marinedepot.com/Topic89570-4-1.aspx
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PostPosted: Mon May 16, 2011 10:53 pm Post subject: Re: ATS- Algae Turf Scrubber Reply with quote

 @  nanomania
 
 So  you  mean  to  say  that  if  I  make  an  ATS,  then  I  need  not  invest  in  a  Skimmer?   Huh   Huh
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PostPosted: Mon May 16, 2011 11:29 pm Post subject: Re: ATS- Algae Turf Scrubber Reply with quote

 Nano-  your  name  please
 
 I  am  not  a  marine  enthu  or  sorts,  just  remembered  there  was  a  similar  thread  floating  around  few  days  back.  
 CHeck  this  out
 http://indianaquariumhobbyist.com/community/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=17116&highlight=ats
 
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PostPosted: Tue May 17, 2011 12:02 am Post subject: Re: ATS- Algae Turf Scrubber Reply with quote

 I've  tried  it,  and  its  not  perfect.  A  skimmer  is  needed  for  reef  tanks..
 
 
 It's  a  very  old  method  of  filtration,  If  it  was  better  than  skimmers,  then  everybody  would  have  been  using  it.
 
 There  are  several  drawbacks  to  the  ats.
 
 1.  If  electricity  fails,  the  algae  will  die.  Which  will  make  the  ats  release  the  nutrients  absorbed  and  wont  work  properly.
 
 2.  Requires  more  maintenance,  compared  to  cleaning  a  skimmer  cup.
 
 3.  Lighting  the  screen  adds  to  the  heat.
 
 4.  Takes  a  long  time  to  absorb  the  nutrients  as  compared  to  carbon  dosing.  
 
 Those  are  just  a  few..
 
 
 So  basically,  if  you  want  an  amazing  reef  tank  or  a  healthy  FOWLR  get  a  good  skimmer.
 
 IMO,  they  are  only  good  for  FO,  FOWLR  which  are  lightly  stocked  and  might  work  ok  for  a  softie  tank..
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PostPosted: Tue May 17, 2011 10:45 am Post subject: Re: ATS- Algae Turf Scrubber Reply with quote

 Hi  Nanomania,  Welcome  to  IAH,
 
    ATS  works,  but  only  when  the  DOCs  (Dissolved  organic  compound)  broken  down  &  produced  nitrate,  phosphate  &  other  harmfull  chemicals.  Algae  use  those  nitrate  &  phosphate  as  thier  food  source.  But  SKIMMER  can  take  out  those  DOCs  before  they  broken  down  &  reduce  the  chances  of  toxicity.  Both  are  doing  different  job,  then  how  can  you  claim  that  a  "ATS"  is  ten  time  better  than  a  "SKIMMER"?
    
    Reef  system  needs  much  more  stability  then  FO  or  FOWLR,  so  skimmer  should  not  be  avoided.
   IMO,  Skimmer  and  cheato  in  sump  will  give  you  much  better  result.
 
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PostPosted: Wed May 18, 2011 10:16 am Post subject: Re: ATS- Algae Turf Scrubber Reply with quote

 all  it  removes  is  waste  but  not  food  or  iodine  whigh  a  skimmer  dose,  the  mantainance  is  jus  1ce  a  week  cleaning.....   people  dont  use  ATS  because  its  never  been  been  advertised,  and  my  algae  is  dissapearing,  pods  are  growing,  colouration  of  the  corals  is  also  geting  better,  what  else  do  u  want......  big  companies  abroad  jus  wana  sell  skimmers  so  never  made  or  advertised  it  to  the  market.  skimmers  remove  iodine  and  organics  and  inorganic  whereas  ATS  removes  only  inorganics(true  waste,  not  food  and  iodine).......  with  ats  u  jus  have  to  change  water  10%  1ce  in  a  year  thats  it......
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PostPosted: Wed May 18, 2011 3:15 pm Post subject: Re: ATS- Algae Turf Scrubber Reply with quote

 im  looking  for  cheato.  where  will  i  get  it??  u  got  it??
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 26, 2011 9:59 am Post subject: Re: ATS- Algae Turf Scrubber Reply with quote

 I  can  answer  these  questions  if  anyone  still  wants  to  know.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 26, 2011 10:23 am Post subject: Re: ATS- Algae Turf Scrubber Reply with quote

 SantaMonica,
 
 It  would  be  helpful  for  someone  searching  for  it  in  future.  Please  do  share  your  knowledge..
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So  you  mean  to  say  that  if  I  make  an  ATS,  then  I  need  not  invest  in  a  Skimmer?                

 
 Correct.  Skimmers  remove  food;  scrubbers  remove  nitrate  and  phosphate.  If  you  only  have  a  skimmer,  then  you  still  need  some  way  to  remove  phosphate.
 
 
                                                 
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It's  a  very  old  method  of  filtration,  If  it  was  better  than  skimmers,  then  everybody  would  have  been  using  it.                  

 
 Using  algae  to  filter  water  is  very  old,  true.  But  the  current  version  of  waterfall  algae  scrubber  was  just  invented  in  August  2008;  before  that,  they  were  too  hard  to  build,  and  were  too  noisy  and  unreliable.
 
 
                                                 
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 If  electricity  fails,  the  algae  will  die.                

 
 If  the  electricity  fails  for  a  short  while,  the  algae  will  be  ok.  Like  30  minutes.  If  the  algae  is  thick,  it  can  go  a  few  hours.  If  it  is  6  or  10  hours,  and  it  is  an  open  DIY  design,  then  it  will  die.  But  so  will  your  tank.  
 
 A  closed  design  in  acrylic,  however,  stays  wet  much  longer  because  it  does  not  evaporate.
 
 
                                                 
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Requires  more  maintenance,  compared  to  cleaning  a  skimmer  cup.                

 
 But  a  skimmer  does  not  remove  nitrate  or  phosphate.  So  in  addition  to  the  skimmer  cup,  you  have  to  do  something  else  to  remove  nitrate  and  phosphate.
 
 
                                                 
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Lighting  the  screen  adds  to  the  heat.                  

 
 Scrubbers  actually  cool  the  water,  because  of  the  evaporation.
 
 
                                                 
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Takes  a  long  time  to  absorb  the  nutrients  as  compared  to  carbon  dosing.                

 
 A  properly  build  scrubber  can  have  nitrate  and  phosphate  down  to  zero  in  a  few  weeks.  And  this  is  without  waterchanges  or  anyother  filters.  And  you  can  feed  more,  too.
 
 
                                                 
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might  work  ok  for  a  softie  tank                

 
 Actually,  a  strong  scrubber  will  actually  remove  so  much  nitrate  and  phosphate  that  softies  (especially  xenia)  might  not  survive.  The  fix  for  this  is  to  feed  much,  much  more.
 
 
                                                 
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SKIMMER  can  take  out  those  DOCs  before  they  broken  down  &  reduce  the  chances  of  toxicity                

 
 This  is  called  food.  Food,  including  dissolved  organic  compounds,  is  what  feeds  corals.  Skimmers  remove  food,  but  leave  nitrate  and  phosphate  in  the  water.  So  it's  actually  the  skimmer  that  leaves  "toxic"  things  in  the  water,  including  ammonia.  Scrubbers  remove  ammonia,  nitrite,  nitrate,  phosphate,  metals  (including  copper),  and  C02.
 
 
                                                 
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cheato  in  sump  will  give  you  much  better  result.                  

 
 Chaeto  is  a  very  weak  export.  If  you  put  a  scrubber  on  a  system  with  chaeto,  the  chaeto  will  die  and  be  removed  by  the  scrubber.
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 Nice.  Some  one  who  sees  the  whole  picture  &  is  able  to  explain  it  too.   Smile
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 nanomania  -  Can  you  post  some  pics  of  your  ATS  for  us  to  see....??
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