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PostPosted: Wed Apr 05, 2006 7:48 am Post subject: Fish Breeding farm - How to setup? What is Required? Reply with quote

 I  am  starting  this  thread  after  I  received  an  interesting  PM  about  what  it  takes  to  set  up  a  Fish  Breeding  Farm.
 
 For  starters  let's  not  be  specific  about  the  variey  of  fish  that  would  be  bred  in  this  farm,  let's  assume  it's  the  whole  gamut  of  fish.
 
 I  have  seen  many  such  farms,  and  noted  many  aspects,  but  I  don't  have  first  hand  experience.
 
 So  put  in  your  ideas  and  start  a  lively  discussion  as  to  what  it  would  take  to  set  up  such  a  facility.
 
 I  know  a  lot  of  it  would  be  common  sense  advice,  and  not  practical  experience,  but  we  have  at  least  made  a  start.
 
 The  areas  to  cover  would  be  would  be  Holding  tanks  for  the  breeders,  Fry  care,  Fry  feeding,  Conditioning  of  the  breeders,  Growing  live  food,  culling,  water  management,  water  recycling,  water  purification,  disease  control  and  management,  quarantine,  equipment,  lighting,  packing,  man  power  requirement,  man  power  training,  line  breeding,  cross  breeding,  selective  breeding,  exports  and  imports  procedures,  tank  setups,  farm  layout  and  size.
 
 The  above  are  not  in  any  particular  order  and  there  should  be  more  areas  to  cover  so  please  start  listing  your  thoughts.
 
 Even  a  definition  of  the  above  terms  would  be  a  quick  way  to  kick  this  discussion  on  track.  We  can  then  build  up  on  the  topic  based  on  the  definition.
 
 Come  on  people  let's  indulge  in  every  aquarists  dream  and  setup  a  virtual  fish  farm!  Cheering
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 In  some  other  post  Rahul  posted  this  wonder  ful  link  which  talks  about  all  the  above  points....  but  they  are  talking  about  sword  tails.    Most  should  be  applicable  for  other  fishes  too.
 
 Here  is  the  link
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 I  just  returned  from  Penang  a  couple  of  days  back...  saw  quite  a  lot  of  fish  farms  there  especially  discus  farms  ,  and  i  have  a  minor  first  hand  experience  too  and  suggest  the  following:
 
 Most  important  is  to  reckon  the  size  of  the  setup  and  the  farm  size,  since  this  is  where  everyone  is  wrong  once  the  breeding  starts.  It  is  always  less  tanks  less  space  and  more  fish  at  a  certain  point  of  time.  Forces  of  demand  also  play  a  major  role  here  since  if  sales  are  down  then  the  holding  space  required  would  be  more  than  usual.
 
 A  lot  of  freshwater  supply  and  treating  the  water  to  suit  the  needs  of  the  fry.  In  fact  i  heard  from  some  discus  breeders  that  they  were  paying  a  shitload  of    money  for  water  (however  this  may  not  be  applicable  to  other  fish  except  discus  since  i  dont  have  enough  exposure  to  any  other  fish  and  dont  know  their  water  requirements.)
 
 One  very  important  thing  is  HARDCORE  RESEARCH  especially  into  medication  and  diseases  and  conditioning  of  the  breeders.  In  fact  with  a  lot  many  tanks  you  are  bound  to  get  disease  atleast  once  or  more  than  once  in  a  year  and  can  prove  to  be  disastrous  with  so  many  fish.  I  heard  from  some  breeders  that  they  had  to  close  down  their  farms  for  months  together  when  they  had  epidemics  in  order  to  protect  their  reputation.
 
 Next  comes  the  fry  feeding  and  growing  them  at  a  very  fast  pace.  This  again  involves  research.  Every  breeder  with  any  kind  of  setup  will  always  fall  short  of  tanks  at  one  point  of  time  and  the  best  would  be  to  grow  them  fast  in  order  to  sell  them  fast.
 
 I  wouldnt  suggest  man-power  training  as  a  very  important  criterion  since  if  someone  is  doing  it  at  a  professional  and  a  full  time  level  and  is  around  to  supervise  the  setup,  then  the  employees  can  be  under  constant  giudance  and  training  can  be  on  the  job  itself.  Since  it  would  be  very  difficult  to  explain  to  someone  all  aspects  of  breeding  and  maintaining  fish  without  actually  practically  doing  it.
 
 For  a  full  fledged  operational  farm,  (that  is  after  the  initial  2-3  breeding  cycles),  quarantine  would  be  the  least  important  issue  after  a  certain  stage,  since  there  would  be  hardly  any  new  fish  coming  in.
 
 As  regards  the  line  and  strain  breeding,  it  would  actually  depend  on  the  target  customers.  To  some  this  may  be  at  the  top  of  the  list  and  to  others  it  may  be  at  the  bottom.  The  question  is  are  u  going  in  for  quantity  or  quality  breeding.
 
 Lighting  in  the  setup  can  be  adjusted  later  on  since  this  would  not  be  very  costly.  This  would  not  be  a  major  problem  since  i  have  observed  that  in  breeding  most  of  the  fish  good  lighting  is  required  only  at  the  time  of  feeding  (especially  the  fry).
 
 It  is  also  very  important  to  get  a  nice  grip  on  the  packing  and  shipping  of  the  fish,  since  if  your  fish  end  up  dead  at  the  destination,  then  the  whole  purpose  of  breeding  is  vitiated.  Import  is  not  at  all  important  since  you  would  rather  concentrate  on  the  breeding  and  get  the  imported  fish  through  some  agent  rather  than  taking  the  headache  yourself.  Export  procedures  are  not  very  important  unless  you  are  targeting  foreign  customers,  but  initially  i  dont  think  that  any  farm  (especially  in  india)  would  target  customers  from  foreign  countries.  So  this  can  also  be  left  to  a  later  stage.  
 
 This  is  all  i  can  think  of  ...
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 05, 2006 2:45 pm Post subject:  Reply with quote

 This    link  is  having  some  usefull  informations  on  this  topic  ..
 
 http://govdocs.aquake.org/cgi/collection/ornamental_species
 
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 Interesting    Cheering  
 This  is  something  I  would  love  to  discuss!
 Ok,  my  understanding  of  a  fish  farm  is  where  you  breed  and  rear  the  fish  to  a  respectable  sellable  size  and  then  sell  it  to  the  wholesaler/retailers.
 [B]1)  The  facility  should  include  an  insulated  shed  with  racks  set-up  for  stocking  new  arrivals  and  qurantine  facility  -  tanks  are  easier  to  treat  than  ponds!
 2)  stocking  ponds  for  rearing  fry  with  water  in-let  and  out-let  facility  with  a  power  head  and  side  compartment  for  bio/mechanical  filtration
 2a)  the  outdoor  ponds  should  have  adequate  facility  to  stop  birds  preying  on  the  fish  -  a  green  mesh  cover  supported  with  angles  can  be  helpful!
 3)  packaging  area  where  fish  are  stocked  prior  to  sales  and  pre-conditioned  for  the  transit  stress.  (this  facility  should  include  the  oxygen  cylinders  and  a  constant  supply  of  water  that  is  pre-treated  for  the  transit  stress)
 4)  for  breeding  -  the  facility  should  include  a  range  of  tank  sizes  with/without  partition  and  lots  of  grow-out  tanks  for  the  new  born  fry  to  be  transferred
 5)  The  set-up  should  be  located  in  an  area  which  preferably  has  a  canal  near-by  the  ensure  constant  supply  of  water  or  the  bore-well  water  should  be  suitable  enough  to  keep  most  fish  without  much  expenditure  on  the  treatment  of  water  like  RO  etc.
 6)  the  farm  facility  should  be  self  sufficient  in  making  or  atleast  stocking  different  feeds  and  feed  suppliments  depending  on  the  dietary  requirement  of  different  fish.
 7)  the  individual  himself  should  be  experienced  and  should  compulsorily  knowledgeable  to  deal  with  the  day-to-day  affairs  of  fish  farm  problems  like  power  failures  to  ailment  treatment!
 Cool  the  staff  should  be  honest  and  well  trained!  (honest  for  obvious  reasons  -  and  trained  to  take  some  critical  decisions  on  the  spot  in  your  absence)
 9)  the  farm  should  preferably  have  a  water  re-cycling  facility  with  rain  water  harvesting  to  save  natural  resources.
 10)  last  but  not  the  least  -  breeding  fish  should  be  attempted  only  with  the  knowledge  of  the  market  -  surplus  breeding  means  you  have  to  feed  a  lot  of  fish  who  will  fetch  a  low  rate  in  the  market  -  consider  the  demand  and  supply  ratio  before  spawning  the  fish!
 more  on  this  later...........
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 A  lot  of  it  depends  on  scale,  IMO.  
 
 I've  seen  commercial  establishments  (I  won't  call  them  farms  Wink  )  in  Bombay,  which  are  little  larger  than  a  20'x10'  room.  About  a  dozen  120  gallon  tanks  (6'x2'x2')  for  stocking/growout  and  a  like  number  of  10-40  gallon  tank  for  spawning  fish.  These  places  were  producing  most  of  the  staple  LFS  fish,  from  livebearers  to  anabantoids  to  cichlids  to  cyprinids.  An  aerator  was  pretty  much  the  only  piece  of  equipment  in  evidence  with  a  few  sponge  filters  here  and  there.  50%  water  changes,  twice  daily,  were  the  norm  for  the  growout  tanks,  along  with  copious  amounts  of  live  foods.
 A  couple  of  breeders  with  the  space  to  spare  had  cement  grow  out  tanks  outdoors  instead  of  aquaria  indoors.  Since  none  of  them  had  wells,  dechlorination  systems  and  large  water  storage  tanks  were  a  prerequisite.
 
 Such  setups  do  afford  the  luxury  of  efficient  quality  control  (whether  people  choose  to  follow  it  is  another  story)  and  are  ideal  for  scenarios  where  you  want  to  focus  on  line-breeding  and  strain  development.  Much  smaller  setups  (about  1/2  dozen  tanks  total)  are  also  viable,  expecially  if  you  want  to  focus  on  a  single  species.
 
 Then,  there  is  the  Florida  fish  farm  style,  where  you  have  a  lot  of  land,  perfect  weather  and  lots  of  water.  Buy  land,  construct  dozens  of  large  ponds  and  introduce  seed  populations  of  fish  in  each  pond.  Seine  the  ponds  after  6  months  or  so  and  sell.  The  good  part  about  this  is  pond  raised  fish  are  often  healthier/larger  then  tank  raised  fish.  The  drawback  is  they  are  often  more  skittish  and  likely  to  hybridise,  especially  if  you  have  several  species  in  a  pond  or  neighbouring  ponds.
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 Yes  Rahul,
 But  IMO  we  can  call  it  a  fish  room  and  not  a  farm  -  I  think  Beta  is  having  a  similar  set-up  (comming  up)  but,  still  a  farm  is  a  farm  and  you  can  grow  fish  faster  in  bigger  set-ups  =  more  turnover  =  more  money
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 No,  they  are  farms  in  the  sense  they  churn  out  tens  of  thousands  of  fish  every  month.  Purely  commercial  establishments.  I  don't  think  Beta  is  plaaning  to  do  anything  similar  Wink
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 Hi,
 Do    these  farms  Inject  fishes  with  Harmones  to  induce  breeding?IMO  By  doing  so  they  will  be  in  a  position  to  reduce  prices  in  return  to  higher  production.
 With  Regards
 Shishir  Kamat
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 Once  the  setup  is  for  commercial  purposes  anything  goes.
 High  profitability  is  the  only  consideration.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 06, 2006 6:53 pm Post subject:  Reply with quote

                                                   
shishirkamat  wrote:                
Hi,
 Do    these  farms  Inject  fishes  with  Harmones  to  induce  breeding?IMO  By  doing  so  they  will  be  in  a  position  to  reduce  prices  in  return  to  higher  production.
 With  Regards
 Shishir  Kamat                

 you  mean  pictutary  gland  injectibles?  
 breeders  now  a  days  are  more  interested  in  sex  hormones  and  colour  hormones  -  they  can  charge  more  for  the  fish  if  it  looks  good  Crying or Very sad
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shishirkamat  wrote:                
Hi,
 Do    these  farms  Inject  fishes  with  Harmones  to  induce  breeding?IMO  By  doing  so  they  will  be  in  a  position  to  reduce  prices  in  return  to  higher  production.
 With  Regards
 Shishir  Kamat                

 
 A  lot  of  fish  you  see  in  the  hobby  are  bred  using  hormones...  black  ghosts,  Pangasius  spp.,  many  of  the  large  cyprinids...  prices  only  go  down  if  there  is  no  demand  Very Happy
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