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PostPosted: Thu Nov 17, 2011 3:00 pm Post subject: Had a bad time in Crawford Market. Need ID of Angels. Reply with quote

 I  went  to  Dava  Bazaar  yesterday  to  replenish  my  stock  and  how  could  I  have  skipped  an  opportunity  to  visit  Crawford  market?  I  expected  to  get  some  premium  fish  food  for  my  flowerhorns.
 
 Just  outside  the  market,  there  were  hawkers  selling  memory  cards  and  pen  drives  as  if  they  were  fruits.  At  what  cost?  Rs.100  quoting  price  for  a  8GB  Sandisk  micro  SDHC  card  and  Rs.250  quoting  price  for   64  GB  Kingston  Pen  Drive,  all  subject  to  bargain.  Obviously  duplicates.
 
 I  literally  pity  what  the  market  has  become.  I  had  a  hard  time  finding  any  flowerhorn  pellets.  Most  of  them  had  the  low  quality  Taiyo  products.  The  Ocean  free  XO  humpy  head  small  bottles  that  almost  every  shop  had  were  obviously  as  fake  as  the  memory  card  on  sale  outside.  Only  one  shop  had  Grand  Sumo  and  genuine  Ocean  free  products,  but  his  quoting  price  were  Rs.xxx  greater  than  what  the  local  retail  LFSs  charge  for  the  same.  And  I  suck  at  bargaining.  So  it  was  obvious  that  it  wasn't  a  good  day  to  be  in  the  market.
 
 But  returning  home  empty  handed  would  have  been  against  the  teachings  of  my  Guru,  '  Crime-Master  Gogo'.  Having  solely  this  in  mind,  I  started  scouring  the  shops  for  anything  that  looked  interesting.  That  was  when  I  entered   shop  with  atleast  8  different   varieties  of  angelfish  mixed  together  in  4  huge  tanks.  Angels  are  my  Uncle's  favourite  fish.  So  I  decided  to  buy  some  for  him  as  a  belated  Diwali/early  Christmas  gift.
 
 Of  all  the  thousands  of  angels,  after  10  minutes  of  observation,  I  chose  a  sturdy  high-finned  banded  variety.  There  were  only  4  of  these  to  be  seen.  I  decided  to  buy  all  four.  The  rates  weren't  fixed.  The  fish-hands  quoted  prices  at  random  and  the  owner  acted  as  if  he  was  ignorant  of  the  prices.  The  guy  who  bagged  in  the  fish  for  me  after  a  lot  of  forced  hard  work,  quoted  Rs.xxx  per  fish  as  according  to  him,  these  were  rare  imported  ones.  He  was  obviously  lying  to  avenge  the  long  minutes  of  scouring  for  individual  fish  that  I  had  subjected  him  to,  to  get  my  four  choice  fish  from  a  couple  of  thousand.  I  tried  to  bargain  with  the  owner,  but  it  was  futile.  At  the  same  time,  I  sort  of  liked  these  fish.  So  I  got  them  for  a  little  below  half  a  Grand.  I  know  that  I  have  foolishly  overpaid,  But  please  don't  comment  about  that.  I  like  these  fish  and  hope  that  my  Uncle  will  love  them  too.
 
 The  diameter  of  the  bodies  alone  is  roughly  2  inches.  They  appear  to  be  pretty  robust,  but  aren't  aggressive  so  far.  Their  finnage  is  beautiful,  but  has  been  nipped  by  the  much  larger  marble  angels  from  the  LFS  tank.  No  external  signs  of  infection  though.  I  have  currently  prophylactically  quarantined  them  in  the  3G  acceleration  tank  with  methylene  blue.  They  will  be  shifted  to  my  uncle's  place  next  week.  I  fed  them  Azoo  micropellets  and  they  gobbled  them  up  readily.  They  appear  to  be  hungry  all  the  time.  The  poop  is  also  normal.  So  much  for  the  health.
 
 I  haven't  kept  angels  for  may  years  now  and  have  2  questions  for  the  angelkeepers  and  experts.
 1)  What  strain  of  P.scalare  are  these  ?
 2)  My  uncle  had  a  spare  36"(l)x12"(b)x24"(h)  barebottom  discus  tank  which  currently  houses  a  pair  of  1.5-2"  red  spotted  Heros  efasciatus  that  he  bought  last  week.  Can  these  angels  coexist  with  the  severums  or  should  I  ask  him  to  empty  the  tank  for  these  angels?
 
 My  uncle  is  currently  on  a  roadtrip  till  Sunday  and  has  borrowed  my  camera.  So  I  shot  the  pics  on  a  2MP  mobile  cam.  Hope  that  they  are  clear  enough  to  be  IDed,  inspite  of  the   methylene  blue  stained  water.  
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 17, 2011 3:16 pm Post subject: Re: Had a bad time in Crawford Market. Need ID of Angels. Reply with quote

 Your  guru  crime  master  gogo  has  thought  you  well.  these  are  commonly  called  silver  angelfish  and  sometimes  called  tuxedo  angels  here  in  the  local  market  ,  by  the  way  nice  looking  fish
 http://www.breedingangelfish.info/angelfish-varieties.cfm
 
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 17, 2011 3:54 pm Post subject: Re: Had a bad time in Crawford Market. Need ID of Angels. Reply with quote

 Kastor  ,  i  can  still  see  a  Hidden  Writer  in  your  script   Rolling Eyes   Innocent
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 17, 2011 4:21 pm Post subject: Re: Had a bad time in Crawford Market. Need ID of Angels. Reply with quote

 I  have  a  slight  feeling   they  are  P.  altums.
 Better  pics  may  be  helpful.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 17, 2011 4:23 pm Post subject: Re: Had a bad time in Crawford Market. Need ID of Angels. Reply with quote

 Nice  angles!  dunno  about  their  ID  though  i  can  tell  about  the  pendrives  they  were  selling  :D
 
 they  are  fake,  and  once  when  i  was  11th  std,  i  forced  my  dad  to  get  me  two  of  those  8gb  pendrives,  and  after  i  came  home,  they  never  worked  Sad(
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 17, 2011 4:48 pm Post subject: Re: Had a bad time in Crawford Market. Need ID of Angels. Reply with quote

 It's  not  the  Tuxedo  ....in  this  size  the  tail  portion  should  be  black  color.  But  it  is  common  scale  angel  very  near  to  P.  altums.
 
 Though  I  said  it's  very  common  but  it's  really  getting  very  difficult  with  proper  scale  angel  due  cross  breeding.
 
 They  are  my  most  favorite  angel  and  another  one  is  full  black  angel.
 
 But  u  have  collected  really  good  ones....very  good  choice  man....
 
 In  future  they  will  be  very  good  specimen....I  bet....
 
 
 Best  of  luck
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 17, 2011 6:17 pm Post subject: Re: Had a bad time in Crawford Market. Need ID of Angels. Reply with quote

 Silver  Angels,  but  nice  specimens.  Take  good  care  of  them.  Aggression  will  start   when  they  pair  up.
 
   Better  to  keep  them  separate.  Under  unavoidable  circumstances,   if  its  a  large  tank  with  some  sort  of  hardscape  or  hiding  spaces   then  keeping  them  together  with  severums  should  not  be  an  issue.  That  too  if  they  are  of  similar  size  and  temperament.  Still  a  risk  not  worth  taking  as  i  find  severums  to  be  aggressive.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 17, 2011 9:05 pm Post subject: Re: Had a bad time in Crawford Market. Need ID of Angels. Reply with quote

 @  Arjun,  Balaji,  Saurabh,  Nick,  Abhida  &  Rahul:
 Thanks  a  lot  for  your  valued  comments  guys.   Bow   
 So  I  gather  that  these  belong  to  a  variety  which  can  be  classed  under  Silver  Angelfish,  one  of  the  oldest  scalares  in  the  hobby.   Smile  
 And  I'll  ask  uncle  to  reserve  the  tank  for  these  angels  alone.     Rock On  
 I'll  post  some  better  shots  on  Sunday  before  handing  them  over.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 18, 2011 12:40 am Post subject: Re: Had a bad time in Crawford Market. Need ID of Angels. Reply with quote

 nice  pick  Dr.
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 Thanks  Sumit.
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 Here  are   few  pics  and  a  vid  that  I  shot  using  my  friend's  Fuji  after   50%  water  change,  before  topping  up  the  medications.  They  seemed  a  bit  scared  and  had  faded.  But  I  couldn't  wait  for  them  to  settle  again  as  I  had  to  return  the  cam,  compress  the  pics  n  videos,  upload  the  same  and  post  the  updates  before  retiring  for  the  night.  Will  post  better  snaps  in  clear  water  on  Sunday  or  some  time  later.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
             
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arjundogra  wrote  (View  Post):                
these  are  commonly  called  silver  angelfish  and  sometimes  called  tuxedo  angels  here  in  the  local  market                

 Hi  Arjun
 
 Tuxedo  Angels  look  like  below  also  known  as  'Half-Black  Angels'.
 
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Yogesh  wrote  (View  Post):                
                                                 
arjundogra  wrote  (View  Post):                
these  are  commonly  called  silver  angelfish  and  sometimes  called  tuxedo  angels  here  in  the  local  market                

 Hi  Arjun
 
 Tuxedo  Angels  look  like  below  also  known  as  'Half-Black  Angels'.
                 

 
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 My  Dear  Friend,
 
 These  are  the  original  Angels  which  we  grew  up  seeing  at  LFS  during  our  school  days  1975/76  they  have  now  become  very  rare  you  are  realy  lucky  to  have  got  them.
 
 All  the  best.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 18, 2011 1:27 pm Post subject: Re: Had a bad time in Crawford Market. Need ID of Angels. Reply with quote

 These  are  definitely  Pterophyllum  scalares.  
 Sorry  for  the  wrong  I.D.  initially.
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