Posted: Sat Jan 21, 2012 11:58 am Post subject: Re: Discus Gasping Heavily - Please Help
As per the latest pics of your discus, it looks like the membrane of one side of the gill , which is underside of the operculum has infection .It may be the case of bacteria infection of the gill tissue underneath . Once the membrance is damaged the functioning of the gills will not be proper because the suction to pull air / water from mouth through its filaments resulting in drop in oxygen absorbtion .
Please ensure you provide extra aeration and very good water quality . Pl note to treat white shit we had increased the temp to 32deg and there may be drop in oxygen level which is not good for damaged gills . If white shit problem is over you need to bring down the temp slowly .
So for damaged membrane case you need to provide good aeration and good water condition . In acute case you need to treat with Formalin followed by antibiotics .
Posted: Sun Jan 22, 2012 5:54 am Post subject: Re: Discus Gasping Heavily - Please Help
Thanks Shiva for your consistent support!
Yes, your are absolutely correct. The right membrane underneath the gill is infected. Normally, when in good health, that membrane is transparent and barely visible. But in this case, after the fish fell sick, membrane of both sides are clearly visible and no longer transparent, they have become whitish . Also the right membrane is disintegrating, in the form of tiny cottony strands. I found this while WC … both in the morning and evening.
As both gills are functioning, we can rule out the occurrence of Gill Fluke … if I am correct.
Yes. We increased the temp because of the white poo issue. But that was one time and I did not see any after that.
After I read your post in the afternoon, I lowered the temp to 28. But as it is has around 300 ltrs of water …. It will take some time for the temp to drop.
Aeration and WC are going on well.
As the situation is same and the erosion of the membrane has increased, I think by tomorrow (Sunday) night I should start the Formalin treatment. (in case there is still no improvement). Will take any chance for a permanent damage to its gills.
Though I have done PP treatment earlier with excellent result …. I am not confident in Formalin.
I have also started reading several old posts and found one where you have mentioned the procedure: Praziquantel Medicine
Will go for searching Formalin in chemist shops in the afternoon as the nearest LFS did not have it.
Also Shiva, I have few questions related to formalin treatment:
1. Do we have any specific brand name we have for Formalin. Rather which one is the best.
2. The formalin dosage (3 ml for 100 ltrs of water) is for gill fluke. Will it be the same dosage here (bacterial infection)?
3. Though my other discuses in the same tank are fine till now, should they also undergo the treatment as a precaution?
4. If point no. 3 above is ‘Yes’, shall I have to clean the whole setup?
5. What should be the appropriate qty of water in the hospital tank. I mean the more water the better Or we have any min cutoff (say 60 ltr, 70 ltr … )
6. Given the fact that using Formalin in high temperature is risky, shall I switch off the heater in the morning. So that by night if I carry out the treatment, the fish will be already be acclimated to room temperature.(which is 25 – 26 degrees)
7. Also as you have mentioned antibiotics after formalin treatment, may I have some posts/referal site where I can find that information.
I am feeling embarrassed for bombarding you with numerous questions but I am desperate to get out of this difficult situation. The discomfort of the sick fish is making me crazy.
Posted: Sun Jan 22, 2012 2:47 pm Post subject: Re: Discus Gasping Heavily - Please Help
Once the membrane underneath the operculum is damaged it will not recover immediately, in most of the case its not repairable .If the damage is more, treating discus with Formalin or PP will be more stressfull to the fish.
I think you should separate this discus in to clinical tank and start with formalin @ 3 ml for 100 lts dosage for 24 hrs with heavy aeration , try to give three dose in 7 days time and see if there is any improvement .
Posted: Mon Jan 23, 2012 8:03 pm Post subject: Re: Discus Gasping Heavily - Please Help
@Shiva - Thanks a ton again!
@Ratheesh – I swear, I am really out of vocabulary to praise Shiva. Its really a great relief to have Shiva on iah.
@Nandy – Thank a lot for your compliments and good wishes.
Formalin Treatment groundwork:
1. Cleaned my 85 ltrs triangle tank thoroughly.
2. Got Formalin from chemist shop.
3. Got dropper 0.5 ml accuracy.
4. Temperature is room temp – 25-26 degrees.
5. CFL will be on throughout except during our sleeping hours.
6. No filters. Airstone will be on full blow.
7. Water will be from the main tank.
8. @ 3 ml for 100 ltrs, I should use 2 ml for 70 ltrs.
Will start the treatment tonight. Keeping my fingers crossed.
Posted: Mon Jan 23, 2012 11:21 pm Post subject: Re: Discus Gasping Heavily - Please Help
I would request you to carry out any treatment at a time when you can observe the fish throughout the treatment period.
Night is not the appropriate time in my opinion especially when you are dealing with chemicals like formalin or PP, that too for the first time.
Posted: Wed Jan 25, 2012 3:26 am Post subject: Re: Discus Gasping Heavily - Please Help
Heres the update on the formalin treatment:
1. Hospital Tank: 85 ltrs.
2. Temperature is room temp – 25-26 degrees.
3. Airstone on full blow.
4. Formaline Quantity: 2 ml for 70 ltrs.
5. 70% WC after 24 hrs.
Update on EOD Day 1:
Theres quite a peppering on the discus which comes and goes. He is secreting white wolly mucus which collects on the tank floor.(pic added)
I think he is gasping a bit less … not sure though if its my imagination. But the good thing is that it does not face towards the water surface or lingers near the surface.
Offered some TetraBits after WC today but he won’t eat.
Posted: Thu Jan 26, 2012 5:16 am Post subject: Re: Discus Gasping Heavily - Please Help
More than 24 hrs has passed since the end of the first day of formalin treatment.
Did 30% WC. The peppering on discus remained most of the time. Again put some TetraBits today before WC but still he won’t eat. I donno how he is surviving so long without eating
Compared the old videos with today's .... the gasping is same. Stayed most of the time near surface today, pointing its mouth towards the surface. Still secreting white wolly mucus (can be seen in the video)
Link to Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EdbM-_RXHLw
Tonight 12 o'clock will be 48 hrs past the formlin treatment. So would be again carrying the procedure.
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