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This in continuation of my previous topic..
http://indianaquariumhobbyist.com/community/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&p=284763#284763
Planted tank - 24" * 12" * 12" (4-5 months old fully cycled tank and planted only a month back)
Fish - 6 Neon rainbows, 8 guppies, 2 SAE, 1 Betta and a dozen wood shrimps.
Lights - 2 * Philips 18 W T5
Today, morning when I woke up, I found 4 more of my guppies dead. remaining are hiding in the plants almost dead but breathing. The neons are at the surface of the water breathing heavily. And one of my SAE was lying on the ground sideways but breathing. I have separated him in a bowl now. and the other SAE is hiding in the plants.
Also I had 3-4 weeks old 6-7 molly/trangerine frys in there. I can spot only three frys and they too are hiding behind my filter on the surface of water.
Could this be any disease outbreak?
Additionally, I dosed AZOO CO2 for the first time yesterday as per my LFS recommendation. So I suspect even that could be the culprit. As only my betta seems to be wandering happily in the tank which make me suspect that there is lack of oxygen in the water.
Also the water was very cloudy this morning. I have done 30% water change.
Please help....I don't want to lose my SAE and Rainbows.
This has been a bad time for me. Out of the blue I have started losing fish in well settled tank 
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Ashwin. |
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| Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2012 12:46 pm Post subject: Re: DISTRESS CALL!!! |
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| You would have supplied more CO2 into the tank. Betta breaths from the surface hence you see the fish active. Introduce an air pump into the tank and aerate the tank soon. This will increase the Oxygen level in the tank. |
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| Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2012 1:47 pm Post subject: Re: DISTRESS CALL!!! |
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This being the first time, I hardly added any CO2. I believe the problem was, I added before leaving for office at 11.30 am. Normally, I keep the lights on from 11 am to 3 pm. As I am in office and don't have a timer yet, my mom switch offs the light. But yesterday as she went out somewhere, she switched off the light at 12.00 pm and probably the CO2 went unused and at the night there was increase in CO2 levels.
Could this be the reason?
Moreover, as I have the filter whos outlet is at the surface which provides for turbulence at the surface, do I still need the air pump? |
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| Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2012 1:49 pm Post subject: Re: DISTRESS CALL!!! |
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| Update - I lost one of the rainbow and the SAE doesn't look promising either. |
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| Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2012 4:16 pm Post subject: Re: DISTRESS CALL!!! |
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The level of O2 and Co2 are independent of each other.
High level of Co2 do not mean low level of O2.
High level of co2 will change the ph of water at a very rapid pace and that stresses the fish.
Do large changes of water and add co2 slowly.
By azoo co2 do you mean co2 gas with cylinder and azoo regulator or liquid supplement of co2. |
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| Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2012 5:47 pm Post subject: Re: DISTRESS CALL!!! |
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| Thanks for the clarification. I added the liquid supplement. I will do another water change tomorrow morning. |
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| Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2012 12:29 am Post subject: Re: DISTRESS CALL!!! |
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| I dont think this is what caused the deaths but anyway how much did you dose ? |
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| Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2012 2:17 pm Post subject: Re: DISTRESS CALL!!! |
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The bottle mentions the recommended dose as 10 drops for 10 litres, so I added around 20 drops.
Btw, mass water change seems to have done the trick, the remaining fishes seem to be active again and also ate the food in no time when I fed them this morning.
Casualty (till now and hope the figure doesnt go up):
SAE - 1
Guppies - 5
Neon Rainbows - 4 |
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| Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2012 7:31 pm Post subject: Re: DISTRESS CALL!!! |
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Yup you have dosed too much. 20 drops is approx 1ml which is too much per 10 litres. From now on follow the same dosing as Excel
5ml per 50 lts initially and after a water change.
1ml per 50 lts daily
As such you can safely increase these values but you need to do it gradually over a period of time while looking out for any problems. I got my dosing up to 10ml for 60 lts in my previous tank without any ill effects but stick to the dosing level I mentioned above for now |
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| Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2012 8:09 pm Post subject: Re: DISTRESS CALL!!! |
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But my tank isn't 10 litres.
Its 60 cms * 30 cms * 30 cms which is around 50 litres, rite?
That apart, I still feel it was a CO2 overdose as my tank is not heavily planted yet.
Cursing my ignorance  . should not have followed to LFS advice blindly. |
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| Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2012 8:12 pm Post subject: Re: DISTRESS CALL!!! |
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| I have to fix my cam. I will post the pics of the plants that I have so that the experts can suggest on dosing (if I do need one). |
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| Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2012 8:42 pm Post subject: Re: DISTRESS CALL!!! |
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| PER 50 litres read my post carefully |
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| Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2012 3:00 pm Post subject: Re: DISTRESS CALL!!! |
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Sorry buddy, bare with me but I am still confused.
"20 drops is approx 1ml which is too much per 10 litres. From now on follow the same dosing as Excel
5ml per 50 lts initially and after a water change."
You have mentioned that 1 ml is too much for 10 litres and then recommended to dose 5ml per 50 litres. Doesn't it work out to a ratio of 1 ml per 10 litres.
Please let me know if I am missing something very obvious here.
Also, sorry if my posts came out in wrong sense.
I did not mean I didn't like your suggestion or I won't follow your recommendations. I feel I should not hurry in dosing CO2. I will probably post some pics here and listen to everyone's views on whether I need dosing in first place.
To give you a background (I should have done this earlier..so my bad again), I have used HUMUS and HUMUS PLUS as the bottom layer and River soil at top. My tank is not yet densely planted and still maturing. The leaves of all the plants like echinodorus bleheri, Hydrocolite and few others that I dont know the names of were turning black/brown. As per LFS recommedation, I needed CO2. But after this mishap I read more on this/others forums and came to know that sometimes these plants take time to adjust to new tank/substrate and probably I should wait some more time till the tank matures |
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| Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2012 3:19 pm Post subject: Re: DISTRESS CALL!!! |
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Sorry buddy, bare with me but I am still confused.
"20 drops is approx 1ml which is too much per 10 litres. From now on follow the same dosing as Excel
5ml per 50 lts initially and after a water change."
You have mentioned that 1 ml is too much for 10 litres and then recommended to dose 5ml per 50 litres. Doesn't it work out to a ratio of 1 ml per 10 litres.
Please let me know if I am missing something very obvious here.
Also, sorry if my posts came out in wrong sense.
I did not mean I didn't like your suggestion or I won't follow your recommendations. I feel I should not hurry in dosing CO2. I will probably post some pics here and listen to everyone's views on whether I need dosing in first place.
To give you a background (I should have done this earlier..so my bad again), I have used HUMUS and HUMUS PLUS as the bottom layer and River soil at top. My tank is not yet densely planted and still maturing. The leaves of all the plants like echinodorus bleheri, Hydrocolite and few others that I dont know the names of were turning black/brown. As per LFS recommedation, I needed CO2. But after this mishap I read more on this/others forums and came to know that sometimes these plants take time to adjust to new tank/substrate and probably I should wait some more time till the tank matures
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Mortis has advised dosage as recommended by Seachem for flourish Excel.
After every water change use 5 ml for every 40lit of water, and then daily dose @ 5 ml for 200lit.
After every water change there is a larger dose and then smaller doses afterwards.
However these are dosage for Flourish excel which may or may not be same as Azoo co2.
What is the dosage given on bottle of Azoo co2, do not go by the recommendation of LFS |
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| Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2012 3:36 pm Post subject: Re: DISTRESS CALL!!! |
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+1 with Sandeep.
As per my small experience it's due to too much co2. Do maximum WC.
It will be very very helpful. Previously it was happened with me too.
My tank is also heavily planted. But I am giving just 1 BPS only. And light is 6-7 hours.
My tank size 24" x 10" x 10"..........no issue at all........ |
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