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PostPosted: Mon May 21, 2012 7:11 pm Post subject: Re: Basics of a Saltwater Aquarium - Comments Reply with quote

 Sid  stop  scaring  hobbyist  do  you  have  anything  positive  to  say.
 It  is  simply  for  people  with  deep  pockets  thats  all.  One  don't  need  to  be  a  Ainstien  or  Steve  jobs  to  set  up  a  marine  tank.
 water  parameters  and  non  gullibility  of  quality  products/live  stock  has  made  it  less  attractive  for  hobbyist  in  India.
 gurus  like  Gatorx  should  share  some  information's  on  fish  profiles  and  compatibility.
 FOWLR  would  be  good  start  for  people  like  me  who's  marine  set  up  is  next  in  wish  list
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PostPosted: Mon May 21, 2012 7:53 pm Post subject: Re: Basics of a Saltwater Aquarium - Comments Reply with quote

                                                   
aquariumer  wrote  (View  Post):                
Sid  stop  scaring  hobbyist  do  you  have  anything  positive  to  say.                

 
 Emmanuel,
 I  think  Sid  has  a  point.
 Personally  I  believe  it  is  better  to  be  scared  than  ignorant.
 Doing  your  homework  and  researching  thoroughly  through  Google  or  IAH  is  compulsory  before  taking  the  plunge.And   GatorX  has  made  it  so  convenient  through  his  thread  for  beginners.
 The  only  point  I  beg  to  differ  with  Sid  would  be  putting  Mumbai  at  the  bottom  of  his  preferred  list.......ask  any  discus  hobbyist!
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PostPosted: Mon May 21, 2012 8:12 pm Post subject: Re: Basics of a Saltwater Aquarium - Comments Reply with quote

 +1  to  Sid,
 
 I  personally  believe  that  homework  and  complete  knowledge  is  needed  before  jumping  into  this  hobby.  I'll  say,  as  these  fishes  are  mostly  wild  caught,  sensitive,  illegal,..  do  not  experiment  with  there  life.  In  small  time  I've  seen  few  people  who  tried,  killed/failed  in  marine  hobby.
 
 Other  thing  is  also  true  whatever  budget  you  plan  for  this  hobby,  be  prepared  to  spend  2  to  3  times....  this  is  not  a  budgeted  hobby,  keep  your  pocket  open...
 
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PostPosted: Mon May 21, 2012 9:18 pm Post subject: Re: Basics of a Saltwater Aquarium - Comments Reply with quote

                                                   
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Sid  stop  scaring  hobbyist  do  you  have  anything  positive  to  say.                

 
 Emmanuel,
 I  think  Sid  has  a  point.
 Personally  I  believe  it  is  better  to  be  scared  than  ignorant.
 Doing  your  homework  and  researching  thoroughly  through  Google  or  IAH  is  compulsory  before  taking  the  plunge.And   GatorX  has  made  it  so  convenient  through  his  thread  for  beginners.
 The  only  point  I  beg  to  differ  with  Sid  would  be  putting  Mumbai  at  the  bottom  of  his  preferred  list.......ask  any  discus  hobbyist!                

 
 I  dont  think  many  people  will  go  for  marine  without  some  research  thats  basics  for  all  kind  of  aquariums.
 most  of  the  information  is  available  on  internet,  every  one  who  starts  new  will  struggle  initially  and  hence  it  would  be  better  to  start  with  hardy  fishes.
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PostPosted: Tue May 22, 2012 1:40 am Post subject: Re: Basics of a Saltwater Aquarium - Comments Reply with quote

 Dear  Aquariumer,  sorry  for  the  late  reply  but  I  was  out  shopping  with  GatorSir.  We  had  gone  looking  for  the  biggest  spoon  available  in  the  market.  Now  you  must  be  thinking  why  two  aquatic  hobbyists  were  looking  for  a  large  spoon?  I’ll  tell  you  why  in  a  minute.
 
 Anyway  coming  back  to  the  topic  hobbyists  like  you  are  exactly  the  reason  GatorSir  started  this  thread.  If  you  put  a  little  effort  you  would  notice  the  stickie  by  Pironya  in  this  forum,  profiling  in  detail,  most  of  the  marine  fish  available  in  India.  But  some  of  us  want  to  be  spoon  fed  every  single  thing  so  that  is  why  GatorSir  and  I  had  gone  shopping  for  a  XXXL  spoon.  Also  having  deep  pockets  and  unlimited  funds  will  not  make  one  a  successful  marine  hobbyist,  you're  completely  mistaken  there.  However  there  is  good  news  and  bad  new.  First  the  good  news  -  you'll  have  plenty  of  surprises  when  you  set  up  your  marine  tank  and  the  bad  news  -  they'll  mostly  be  unpleasant.
 
 I  didn't  say  anything  about  being  a  genius  to  have  a  marine  tank  but  if  you  consider  simple  reading  as  genius  then  well  yeah  you  have  to  be  an  'Einstein'  to  own  a  saltwater  tank.  However  being  Steve  jobs  (God  bless  his  soul)  is  necessary  if  you  have  a  giant  gourami.  Why?  Because  GG’s  are  largely  veggies/fruitarians  and  Steve  jobs  -  apple....get  it?  Wink!
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PostPosted: Tue May 22, 2012 1:54 am Post subject: Re: Basics of a Saltwater Aquarium - Comments Reply with quote

                                                   
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Dear  Aquariumer,  sorry  for  the  late  reply  but  I  was  out  shopping  with  GatorSir.  We  had  gone  looking  for  the  biggest  spoon  available  in  the  market.  Now  you  must  be  thinking  why  two  aquatic  hobbyists  were  looking  for  a  large  spoon?  I’ll  tell  you  why  in  a  minute.
 
 Anyway  coming  back  to  the  topic  hobbyists  like  you  are  exactly  the  reason  GatorSir  started  this  thread.  If  you  put  a  little  effort  you  would  notice  the  stickie  by  Pironya  in  this  forum,  profiling  in  detail,  most  of  the  marine  fish  available  in  India.  But  some  of  us  want  to  be  spoon  fed  every  single  thing  so  that  is  why  GatorSir  and  I  had  gone  shopping  for  a  XXXL  spoon.  Also  having  deep  pockets  and  unlimited  funds  will  not  make  one  a  successful  marine  hobbyist,  you're  completely  mistaken  there.  However  there  is  good  news  and  bad  new.  First  the  good  news  -  you'll  have  plenty  of  surprises  when  you  set  up  your  marine  tank  and  the  bad  news  -  they'll  mostly  be  unpleasant.
 
 I  didn't  say  anything  about  being  a  genius  to  have  a  marine  tank  but  if  you  consider  simple  reading  as  genius  then  well  yeah  you  have  to  be  an  'Einstein'  to  own  a  saltwater  tank.  However  being  Steve  jobs  (God  bless  his  soul)  is  necessary  if  you  have  a  giant  gourami.  Why?  Because  GG’s  are  largely  veggies/fruitarians  and  Steve  jobs  -  apple....get  it?  Wink!                

 
 
 FOWLR  is  definately  on  my  cards  will  seek  precious  advise  from  you  soon.
 but  for  my  inspiration  I  found  a  small  LFS  at  bhayander  was  maintaining   a  marine  set  up  with  clowns  and  carpet  animone  for  two  months  with  surprisingly  just  an  internal  power  filter.
 there  are  more  such  LFS  with  limited  information  run  it  succesfully,  I  need  to  find  out  how
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PostPosted: Tue May 22, 2012 10:53 am Post subject: Re: Basics of a Saltwater Aquarium - Comments Reply with quote

 Carpet  anemones  live  for  decades  if  not  centuries.  To  run  a  tank  for  two  months  or  for  that  matter  even  a  year  or  so  is  usually  possible  with  limited  knowledge  and  equipment,  when  we  speak  about  mainaining  a  successful  aquarium  and  the  equipment  needed  to  run  it,  i  think  it  means  no  crashes,  running  for  many  years,  minimal  or  no  loss  of  live  stock  and  growth  of  live  stock.  To  do  that  you  will  definitely  need  a  deep  pocket,  good  equipment  and  knowledge.  
 Also,  for  all  who  want  to  keep  marine  aqauriums,  clowns  do  not  need  anemones  in  captivity  and  the  larger  anemones  (long  tentacle,  carpet,  leather)  are  not  for  beginers.  Please  do  not  buy  these  just  because  they  are  often  easily  available  and  supposedly  legal  to  keep!
 I  also  have  not  been  to  a  single  LFS  with  any  decent  knowledge  about  marine  aqauriums  here.  I  am  sure  it  is  the  same  all  over  india.  I  am  sure  in  another  2  months  or  so  that  tank  you  saw  in  the  LFS  will  be  history.  I  have  seen  may  such  tanks  over  the  years  in  LFS's  some  even  with  decent  equipment.
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PostPosted: Tue May 22, 2012 1:34 pm Post subject: Re: Basics of a Saltwater Aquarium - Comments Reply with quote

 This  thread  is  supposed  to  be  a  reference  for  beginners  with  a  genuine  intention  of  starting  a  successful  marine  tank.
 Let  us  not  contaminate  it  with  any  further  unproductive  communications  (a  crime  for  which  I  too  am  guilty  of)  and  allow  GatorX  to  reply  to  our  queries.
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PostPosted: Wed May 23, 2012 12:08 pm Post subject: Re: Basics of a Saltwater Aquarium - Comments Reply with quote

 Super  write  up  Sid.  To  the  point  with  the  tinge  of  fun  :-)
 
 Thanks
 
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 Where  can  I  get  this  one  locally,  preferabe  if  he  can  ship.
 http://www.ebay.com/itm/1-2-x-28-Flexible-Modular-Coolant-Vacuum-Fixture-Hose-EXTRALONG-Like-Loc-Line-/220967894168?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_2&hash=item3372b67c98
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PostPosted: Thu May 24, 2012 4:41 pm Post subject: Re: Basics of a Saltwater Aquarium - Comments Reply with quote

 Waiting  for  the  Basics  of  a  Saltwater  Aquarium!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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 Well  Iam  a  mechanical  engineer  ....
 
 me  and  many  others  following  this  thread  will  appreciate  help.
 
 but  let  it  be  systematic.
 
 like  precautions  before  setting  up.
 what  extra  care  need  to  be  taken,  
 what  equipment  is  must  to  start  with,  
 what  are  the  fishes  and  the  anemones  are  easy  to  keep
 minimum  tank  capacity
 lighting  
 
 so  on....
 
 please  boys  help  us  not  scare  us
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 Will  try  to  answer  most  of  the  questions  in  the  main  thread..
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 Well..  
 once  through  the  basics  and  build  up..  the  tough  one....
 how  to  keep  going?
 I  mean  the  struggle  with  the  equipment/stock  etc..
 That  has  been  a  big  big  trouble  for  me...
 My  tanks  in  good  shape,  Avg  life  span  of  live  stock  on  an  increasing  mode..  all  seems  right  but  currently  on  a  standstill....
 
 some  insight  on  procurement  on  dry  stuff/live  stock  would  keep  us  interested..
 Well  Gator  sir...  your  views  on  this  one  please
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After  having  interacted  with  quite  a  few  marine  newbies  and  owning  a  marine  setup  myself,  I  think  –and  this  is  my  personal  opinion-  a  marine  newbie  should  first  invest  in  a  blackboard  and  a  box  of  chalks.  Both  are  available  at  your  nearest  stationary  shop.  Then  write  ‘I  will  read  and  research  as  much  as  I  can  before  getting  into  marine…’  on  the  blackboard  sixty  eight  thousand  three  hundred  and  twenty  four  times.  Believe  me  this  itself  will  save  you  a  lot  of  time,  money  and  heartbreak  in  the  future.  It  is  at  this  very  important  initial  stage  that  most  marine  newbies  falter.  There  are  literally  hundreds  of  websites  and  forums  that  carry  good  info  so  go  through  them  and  see  what  works  best  for  you.  Remember  Google  is  a  website,  not  a  girl  so  don’t  feel  shy.
 
 Having  said  that,  most  of  the  info  you  seek  is  right  under  your  noses  in  IAH  in  the  marine  forums.  Go  through  them  carefully  as  there  are  hobbyists  who  have  asked  similar  questions  previously.  And  if  you  still  have  doubts  and  further  questions  then  the  Luke  Pomersbach  of  Indian  Aquarists  and  unofficial  chief  guest  of  Aquatika  2012  -  GatorSir  will  answer  them  for  you  here.  All  he  will  want  in  return  is  a  little  bit  of  your  soul.  But  trust  me  it’s  worth  it.
 
 Here  are  some  of  the  things  I  learnt  –  (Note:  The  following  are  my  personal  experiences  and  I  am  not  an  'expert'  by  any  measure.)  
 
 1. In  respect  to  tank  size,  I  learnt  that  bigger  is  better  in  marine.  If  you  want  to  know  why,  Google  it  or  ask  here  or  better  still  try  it.
 
 2. Because  of  the  small  number  of  marine  hobbyists  and  subsequent  demand  and  supply,  there  is  hardly  any  quality  equipment/livestock  available  in  India.  Whatever  is  available  is  horrendously  expensive.  Those  who  have  hi-end  equipment/livestock  have  sourced  it  from  foreign  countries.
 
 3. Everything  related  to  marine  (Livestock  and  equipment)  is  more  expensive  than  a  FW  setup.  Even  a  Nano  can  cost  more  than  a  high  tech  planted  setup  so  forget  about  budget  in  marine.  This  is  the  first  and  biggest  mistake  a  marine  newbie  generally  makes.
 
 4. Make  friends  with  other  marine  hobbyists  and  take  advice  from  them  but  figure  what  combination  works  best  for  you.  In  India,  a  fellow  marine  hobbyist  is  your  best  friend.  And  GatorSir  is  your  Master  and  Commander.
 
 5. Don’t  blindly  trust  your  marine  LFS  (and  LFS’s  in  general).  Most  of  them  will  misguide  and  misinform  you  to  make  a  quick  buck.  Instead  read  up  about  a  particular  fish/equipment  before  buying  it.  It’s  very  likely  that  someone  has  brought  that  fish  or  skimmer  before  you  so  ask  them  their  experience  and  review.
 
 6. Tamil  Nadu  is  the  best  place  in  India  to  be  a  hobbyist.  Period.  Calcutta  is  the  2nd  best  and  Mumbai  is  the  worst.  But  then  Mumbai  is  the  worst  even  for  FW  (I  think  Arowanas,  Goldfish  and  Flowerhorns  will  soon  become  native  to  Mumbai).  For  those  hobbyists  who  live  in  the  interiors  and  in  tier  2/3  cities  and  dream  of  owning  a  marine  tank  I  have  just  one  word  –  Don’t!  But  if  you  have  access  to  unlimited  funds,  go  for  it.
 
 7. Marine  is  riskier  and  less  forgiving  than  FW  but  if  done  right  its  easy  and  very  rewarding.  
 
 And  the  last  but  the  most  important
 
 8. Most  marine  fish,  coral  and  inverts  are  illegal  to  sell  and  own  in  India  and  those  who  do  (sellers  and  buyers)  do  so  illegally.                

 
 It  Doesnt  matter  whether  u  live  in  tier  2  or  3  city  or  in  metros.  whats  matter  is  your  dedication  &  passion  towards  the  hobby.
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